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« Reply #45 on: December 03, 2003, 05:58:35 pm »
Well I guess I should clarify something.  I don\'t believe in god.  Once Upon a Time I did, but then I found out that the Christian religion was all a bunch of lies.  But that\'s a different discussion.  What I was trying to say is that teens will behave a certain way with or without TV.  It\'s a part of life.  Teens will always be sexually active, they will always be defiant, and they will always do things that adults find insane.  We\'re born that way.  Or for Christians, God created us that way.  

As I said before.  I bleieve every person has a right to do what they want with their life and body.  I would never encourage another person to end their life, but they have a basic human right to do it.  When you really think about it, what is so bad about it?  It all depends on what your beliefs are.

I don\'t love all of society.  I don\'t like everything that is on TV.  I do indulge in some of the shows that are not morally correct.  You, as well, do.  Though you defend them by saying that they present it all in a manner of humor.  So do Jackass and all of those other shows.  But you cannot say that TV is bad or that society is bad because of it.  If you say that, or say that the shows that depict alcohol, drugs, and sex in them are bad and you watch shows that contain those, then you\'re just as bad as everyone else.

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« Reply #46 on: December 03, 2003, 06:36:32 pm »
I\'m not even going to touch on the whole \"God exists or not\" argument. I\'ll respect your beliefs but you damn well better respect mine and anyone else involved in this. Religion is irrelevant in all this.

I also indulge in things that are frowned upon. Reading comics that depict horrible violence. I watch FLCL. For the sex? No. I like the story and animation. I watch:

The Simpsons (When the rare chance comes around}
FLCL
Family Guy
Futurama
Samurui Jack
Spongebob
Mystery Science Theatre
Cowboy Bebop
XPlay

There\'s a huge differance in knowing that filth exists in life, and dodging it, and knowing that filth exists in life, and wallowing in it.

Just so you know, I have no sex, protected or otherwise. I don\'t swear in front of children, speak in foul tongues in front of women. There\'s alot of things I don\'t do, and still better myself. I would hope you would understand and reciprocate.

Free Will. Everyone has the right to do whatever they want, but that doesn\'t make it acceptable. If I wanted I could rape someone in front of an orphanage. Would that make it okay? No. Attack the Constitution. You know, one of the biggest things wrong in America is Freedom of Speech. It allows good people to enrich the lives of others, but it allows morons to spill their grey matter vomit across unsuspecting victims. It allows revolting lyrics to be played in Parking Lots while children are trying to get to school. It lets bands like Cannibal Corpse say things to disgust as many people as possible.

Attack the glorious Constitution and Bill of Rights? You bet. Because it started out with the best intentions and was twisted into something that let freaks get away with crap, and call it \"The way they choose to be.\" And they have that unviolatable right, which they deserve as much as any American, and yet they abuse it.

No wonder other countries laugh at us.

I\'m sitting in a computer lab at my College. I\'m looking around and thinking, \"My God. Maybe there is hope.\" Because a majority of these people, these REAL people, have better things to do than waste their lives away mooching off the government and killing their braincells with chemicals outlawed by the government. THere was a guy with bright orange hair, all in black at my college. I thought he was just some slacker taking college work to avoid actual work. I was wrong. He knew way more about Math than I was able to comprehend. You can\'t judge people. These people I go to school with, I see hold chance for a brighter future. Who have better things to do than watch a 3-hour Best-of Spring Break marathon.

Television isn\'t real. It\'s a marketting device. Industries use it to force their way into brains, like sperm into eggs, planting their little mottos, logos, and any other BS they can get away with. There\'s nothing wrong with sitting and watching something. You have a right to do so, and have every chance to exercise it. They know that, and take advantage of it whenever they can. Just because bilboards depict grotesquely advertised skin clubs, doesn\'t mean you can\'t take a sunday drive once in a while. Just because the Playboy channel is on doesn\'t mean you can\'t watch the Civil War documentary on a differant channel. People choose the slime they bathe in. I did, and change for the better whenever I realize what I\'m doing. Most people don\'t care. They continue ignoring better sense, to indulge in their own little wills.

Messages brought to you by Phillip Morris. Remember how they weren\'t supposed to have cigarette commercials on television? They found a way around that. And people just sit and take it up the pipe, because it doesn\'t bother them. Making it seem like they care about your health. They don\'t give a damn, otherwise they wouldn\'t have a cancer increasing substance stuck on the back wall of convience stores in a big white box for all to see. And we have a choice not to smoke up. One choice I made a long time ago. To be honest:

I drink coffee, cola, and the occasional mixed drink (like twice a year maybe). Cola should count as bad substance, man that stuff gets sickeningly sweet at times, AND it can melt nails.

For every show that could be considered acceptable, there are easily 20 others that cater to home shopping, soap opera\'s, skin shows, and crappy music videos (Though that\'s my opinion of them).

It would make more sense to say what was wrong with me, than wallow in self-rightousness about stuff I don\'t do. However, I HAVE led a sheltered life (or something that can be called that, at times). I\'m thankful for it, and yet I suppose I regret it. I haven\'t been exposed to enough of the filth of society to accept it as normal, but I\'m better than it. I have my faults, and maybe I screw up, but I\'ll roast in Hell before I sit grinning at some screen for hours on end like a slack-jawed, 21 chromosone, dumb, money-spending American that damn box wants to think I am.

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« Reply #47 on: December 03, 2003, 06:51:03 pm »
Well as I said in a previous post, everyone has a right to do what they want with their body as long as it does harm another person physically.

And if a band has a CD out or is popular then that means people listen to it and loike it.  Just because you do not like it, doesn\'t make it wrong.  I happen to be a big fan of deathmetal.  Do I do drugs, sacrifice the neighbors ctas, slit my wrists, etc.  No, I just enjoy the music.  Sure some of it is twisted but any parent who blames them for corrupting their children is simply trying to find excuses other than they failed in raising their child.

So we should all stop watching shows because you think they are wrong?  I am at college as well.  NO one here is perfect.  But you know what?  Some of the smartest people around still do bad things.  I know some insanely smart people who spend every weekend getting high and piss drunk.  I don\'t know one person who hasn\'t watched the Spring Break special on MTV.  But what is wrong with it?  Seeing young adults having fun?  God forbid.  Maybe it\'s the lack of modest clothing.  There are ways around that, maybe the Middle Eastern countries got the right idea?

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You know what commercials I hate?  Those stupid truth commercials that attack cigarette commercials.  Every person who smokes chose to start smoking.  No company put a gun to their head and made them smoke.  I saw this one commercial of a guy who\'s wife died of lung cancer.  And he blamed the cigarette company.  Not the fact that his wife spent half her life smoking a pack a day.  Everyone knows they are bad for you.  And why attack cigarettes?  Alcohol and cars kill just as many people.  Why not attack them?

America is envied by other countries because of it\'s free will.  The way you\'ve argued, it seems that everyone should watch a certain show, dress a certian way, like certain things.  they should all be squeaky clean.  No sex, no drugs, no fun.  This arguement will go on forever because it\'s all opionated.  In my opinion, your opinion is wrong.  And visa-versa.  But every person has a right to watch, listen, wear, and do what they want as long as it doesn\'t infringe on another person\'s right.  Keep that in mind.

If you don\'t like TV, then don\'t watch it.  But do not say that other people shouldn\'t.[/COLOR]

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« Reply #48 on: December 03, 2003, 06:56:53 pm »
Woot! three cheers for the Boob tube:d. Its a love hate relationship:P I am a cartoon addict and though my folks tell me its not right for a 21 year old to sit in front of the TV for hours watching Dexters Lab, Rocko\'s Modern Life, Ren and Stimpy, Pokemon etc, I just can\'t help it. I simply love it. I need two hours of cartoons a day to sustain meself. Other things I watch seldom. So I guess finally I come to the conclusion that TV is bad, or was that good? Well finally all that can be safely said is \"I am confused\" ?( :P.

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« Reply #49 on: December 03, 2003, 07:06:58 pm »
It\'s easy.  Some TV is bad.  But most of it is great.  While I am not a fan of the \'kiddy\' cartoons anymore, I still watch the more \'adult-oriented\' cartoons.  I have actually become a pretty big fan of Adult Swim now.  I\'d say it\'s my second-favorite next to the Law and Order series.  Gives us older kids an excuse to watch carttons.

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« Reply #50 on: December 04, 2003, 05:21:13 am »
I agree with the doom opinions about TV.  It has already turned most people in the US, including people posting to this forum into basically zombies.  But hey, the world needs burger flippers and people who think the Real World is real.   haha

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« Reply #51 on: December 04, 2003, 05:32:08 am »
I watch TV sometimes, and most of the time, I really don\'t see how people can find that entertaining. Social interaction is entertaining, even if most people are morons. That\'s why I play MMO games.
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« Reply #52 on: December 04, 2003, 06:14:46 am »
I mostly watch the various news channels and documentaries... so I don\'t know what all this hubbub about morally wrong TV programs or marketing is about.

Seriously... if you don\'t like violent programs, don\'t watch them. You must learn that you live in a world where there are other people and these people have different opinions, cultures, tastes, perspectives ... but most importantly moral and ethical codes.

What one person considers perfectly fine may be unacceptable to others.  For example, the Taliban in Afghanistan banned television and art depicting people because it was considered idolatry. This was considered by the ruling militia to be morally righteous.

Another example - the totalitarian USSR regime of Stalin imposed an iron curtain and spewed constant propaganda. Forms of media like television were risky; people would start to think for themselves. Not to mention that they tried to abolish or ban religion as that was considered a poison to the mind to that regime. Whenever we impose limits on media, we create ignorance and encourage propaganda.

What are you going to do? Take away the freedom of others like these previous examples? Jump up and down like a spoiled brat and demand that everyone suddenly follow your moral and ethical codes ... losing their free will?

Of course companies advertise... they do that everywhere. As long as these advertisements do not harm anyone, they are ok. You have a brain - if you don\'t like advertisements, ignore them. Life is full of things that we don\'t like to see and we must learn to either ignore them, or stay away. Get over it.
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« Reply #53 on: December 04, 2003, 06:21:57 am »
Nobody said TV should be taken away. And the people insulting TV DON\'T watch it, if you were paying any attention. Of course they know they don\'t have to watch it, or else they would be watching it.
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« Reply #54 on: December 04, 2003, 06:28:46 am »
Of course tv should not be taken away.

Nor should the naive expect that their moral codes are any superior than that of any other person. The message from the first post seemed to spit out: Me good, you evil.

Maybe if people actually tried to spend their time on thinking of ways to improve the human condition and fight disease, poverty, hunger etc instead of simply ranting about its current problems...

BTW, I was talking about the author\'s insistence that the media change the way and things it broadcasts, not taking tv away... read my last post more closely.
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« Reply #55 on: December 04, 2003, 06:36:22 am »
Oh, he insisted on that? I must have missed that... ah well.
Most people think that their right, there is nothing wrong with that. And look at you, looking down on those you consider to be looking down on others. He doesn\'t have the right to make people change, but he is allowed to yell about it, and that isn\'t making anyone do anything. He is just expressing a desire too.
Disease, poverty, hunger etc. are all current problems, and the best way to fix them is to get support, through ranting, of course. You contradicted yourself. I know it sounds like I\'m stretching it... but I\'m not.
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« Reply #56 on: December 04, 2003, 06:50:35 am »
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He is just expressing a desire too.
Disease, poverty, hunger etc. are all current problems, and the best way to fix them is to get support, through ranting, of course. You contradicted yourself. I know it sounds like I\'m stretching it... but I\'m not.


Sure, and there is nothing wrong with expressing your opinion. But seriously, ranting accomplishes nothing more than hostility.

Debating, on the other hand solves problems. You see, the difference is that when we debate, we come to a conclusion. Ranting by definition is little on comprimise and big on hope... I hope this, I want that... but not: I will do this, this is what could be done and this will be helpful in this way.

And yes, I can look down on someone but I don\'t blatantly consider my morals to be superior. Take it easy.

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« Reply #57 on: December 04, 2003, 07:04:39 am »
Fantasyfiend, I didn\'t actually read your post, and I haven\'t read any of this thread since I don\'t have time to.

I\'d just like to say I like shows like StarHunter, Jake 2.0, John Doe(cancelled), That was Then(cancelled),  Tracker(cancelled),  Tremors(cancelled).....aw, why do all the good shows get cancelled? :D The only show that I like that\'s made it to year 2 is...oh wait

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« Reply #58 on: December 04, 2003, 08:44:26 am »
You know, verbal attacks on me as a facist are really pointless. You don\'t know me. Don\'t pretend you do. When my siblings are watching crap on tv, I walk out of the room, and exercise my free will. If I don\'t like it, I don\'t make myself watch it. That would be like hammering nails into your skull when no one made you.

And if you haven\'t been reading my posts then open your eyes and read this (This is directed at you, Aender):

Kissing in public doesn\'t bother me. If you want to dress like a slob, do it. You want to listen to Death Metal? It\'s your right. This is America. You can do anything, right up to the point of twisted perversion in America, and you reasonably have a right to do as you wish, but when someone forces THEIR freedom of speech down my throat, I have every right to regurtitate it back right into their faces. I don\'t want to control society. I want it society to take the next big step. In times of ancient England, kids were getting knocked up at like 12-13. Kings actually had a right to sleep with a bride before the groom did. Now that I think about I was wrong to some degree about a failing society, but it\'s a work in progress, and television is hindering that progress. I\'m not saying DON\'T watch tv. Hell, I do once in a while if I find something I WANT to watch. But people have 15 hours of stuff they watch, not because they want to watch it, but they\'re not constructive enough to walk away from it and find something better to do. Potterymaking, Going to concerts, have sex with teenagers. WHATEVER. A bad life is better than no life at all. They choose their lives, they live it. Not me, so I don\'t see why I have to swallow and accept bitter pills that I don\'t need. I don\'t see why, just because half the city of Houston goes to skin room, that I have to acknowledge their propaganda. It\'s like pop-ups on the internet or spam in my email. I never asked for enhancement pills, so I do what every one with free will does. Delete that sucker. I have every right to ignore something I don\'t like. But that\'s not the way life is. Things can\'t be ignored all the time, and in this case, that unignorable -thing- is how much time people spend with something that has little substancial worth.

Oh, and Aender. It\'s ironic that you make me out like a facist. I expressed myself at the top of my post, and posted that it was the working of an angered mind, and was my opinion. You CHOSE to write your opinions trying to make mine small. I was saying what was on my mind. If you don\'t like what I have to say, you can use YOUR free will and ignore this. No one is making you subscribe to my notions, but you chose to acknowledge them and argue. Not me. Don\'t make me out to be something I\'m not.

As for those \"Truth\" commercials, I would have to agree. It fanatacizes that smoking cigarretes is like putting a gun in your mouth. Blaming the cigarettes would be like blaming Smith and Wesson for school shootings.

Television, as I have come to realize it, is a roll of the dice. Sometimes it can come out with something so ingeniously funny as Invader Zim, and then the next moment it\'s blaring out some other idiocy. It has done good things like showing the world, America\'s first man on the moon. We knew, almost instantaniously, when the Twin Towers were hit. But for every \"good\" it can do for society, there are twenty \"bad\" things.

TV cannot, and should not be taken away. I\'m not saying for people to destroy it, I\'m saying for people to do something better with their time.

Balance is what so many lives are missing. People don\'t seem to know when to stop drinking or stop smoking or stop waving their genitalia in front of a camera. Balance is understanding that if something bothers you, you avoid it. Apperently it doesn\'t bother people to make idiots of themselves on television, so I avoid it. I just also chose to speak what I think.

Kblilik is right, I knew when I started this thread that it would draw contradiction like moths to flames. I am more than happy to debate, and come to a better conclusion, and have once or twice through this. But I stand on my opinion that television is degraded.

To Kramy: I haven\'t seen any of those, though I was interested in Tremors. I\'m not sure how many of those are Reality Shows. But I avoid those like the Black Plague. Television hasn\'t figured out how to show real people, and stop trying to characterize them as things like The Vegetarian, The Homosexual, The Insecure One, or The Partier. People are still made out as extremes, rather than average people.

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« Reply #59 on: December 04, 2003, 09:02:10 am »
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And sashok, don\'t you dare blame God. He gave Adam and Eve warnings early on. Still they proceeded. The human race has a tendancy to destroy ourselves. Be it with drugs, food, sex, greed, blasphemy or what else you can think of. I wonder myself why he didn\'t just stomp out the human race early on, but it\'s not for you to pass judgement. Don\'t forget, your under him.


I think what ur refering to is erm..\'the arc\' if you take that literaly...or as a metaphore.

And God aparently didnt create us this way,if you go by the bible we are born perfect and the \'devil\' infulences us.
(you could compare TV to this, it \'influences\' us in the same way.)
christianuty today is influenced and developed on the changing opinions of people, its a subject ive studied and thought about alot,It is enterpreted in diferent ways,each view is diferent and cannot be judjed as if every christian believes that way.

 
TV does not force anyone to do anything. It suggests things that the weak minded pay attention to.
We all choose our own paths in life, and if someone desides they have nothing better to than watch TV,get pissed,sleep with evry person they meet an get high on drugs every night its their own choise.
We have our own free will to do whatever we want,your concience may stop you from doing those things that are \'bad\' but others dont and they will face the consequences from their actions.
TV shows what the audience wants, if people want to watch the mind numbing crap, that is what will be shown, people want it and they get it.
We influence TV and it influences us. Its an constantly changing issue.


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