Tobacco

[FESFES]

I dont want to see tobacco in this game. I dont want it to encourage smoaking. I have never smoaked and I never will.

Originally posted by Mogura
I don\'t think, and certainly don\'t hope, that any such promotion of drugs or harmful substances will be created in the PlaneShift world. Doing things like that in video games only helps to encourage kids to copy the things they see in real life, brainwashing children into thinking taking/smoking drugs is a \"cool\" thing to do.

Enough people in this world are dying of cancer, heart/lung/liver disease and related illnesses, without the careless advertising of these horrible things in U-rated games making more young people go out and slowly kill themselves.

Not to mention that my cousin died from lung cancer from smoaking about a year ago.  Its just not right to put drugs, tobacco, ect in this game.

[Moogie]

Originally posted by Draageos
They\'re not trying to hide it in SWG...
They have openly implemented drugs and alcohol - you both get downers and vommit when using certain drugs.
All things considered I would say that Starwars G would be characterized as pretty mainstream.

Regardless of any opinions of whether smoking and drinking in games is bad, I wouldn\'t play a game where people walked around choking, dying from deseases, and vomiting on the floor.

Death can be \"clean\" if you don\'t see blood and you don\'t see gory details such as decapitation. Drinking alchohol can be tolerated if it doesn\'t get you drunk (because it doesn\'t, unless you drink too much). Doing drugs can never be \"clean\" or tolerated; it has no good effects, even in small doses, and is quite frankly disgusting no matter what it is you\'re smoking.

Originally posted by FESFES
Not to mention that my cousin died from lung cancer from smoaking about a year ago.  Its just not right to put drugs, tobacco, ect in this game.

Sorry to hear that, FESFES.

[Draageos]

@Moogie
I was only trying to come up with an example where they had implemented something as alcohol etc. and where noone seem to really care about the fact

Note: I don\'t condone the use of drugs in games either.

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[CryptoFox]

Originally posted by Wannahavename_Dorak(Kanich)
Well the game Morrowind has for example alcohol as a \"potion\" you can drink. But they aren\'t called \"Beer\" or something like that, they\'re called for example Sujamma. Thats the best way to include \"bad things\" (like alcohol, drugs and tobacco) into RPG\'s, just to make up names for them. Most \"children\" won\'t even know what it is if they\'re called something else. Then make the \"bad stuff\" decrease agility or intelligence on the character.

Wasap all     first of all i want to say i don\'t belive smoking/drinking/drugs in the rw is a good idea. now onto the game
isn\'t the whole point of fantisey/rp to do things you can\'t or won\'t do in rw? i personaly would love to have smokeing and drinking in the game. realy imagin for a moment youre visiting a notoriouse tavern to say contact a smugler or hire an assassin or ask a wandering ranger about a dragons lair. ok you walk in and are sorounded by a loud din of manay voices. as you walk to the bar you hear a dwarf at a corner table shout to the barmaid \"another round of colas over here\"
you finaly get to the bar and ask for ____ you are directed to a small table agenest the back wall. you can clearly see the hooded figure nurseing a ginger-ale

ok now same situation a bit difrent setting
as you walk into the the tavern it takes your eyes a moment to ajust to the darknes tho the tavern is brightly from candles the light has little power to pirce the dense smoke which seems to hang about the room.
at a corner table a party of dwarvs are spending some exess gold they made from a recant trade trip. the party it seams has traveld from the distant mountan kingdom  from the long pipe with an intricley carved broad bowl made from the rare metals native to that land. the leader calls to the barmaid to bring them another round of ale. you make your way to the bar and after inquireing to whom you seek you are directed to a small table near the back wall whare a hoded figure is seated.
as you squint through the smoke you can barely make out their features under the hood.

sorry i wrote so much once i start its hard to stop.
but anyway like i said im in faver of smokeing/drinking in the game
also in morrowind (a game i love) they have moon sugar
and many drinks are said to be beer,wisky ect.
 
anyway id like to thank those who read all this cya

[Trianas]

ok, yes smoking is bad yes it dose kill and no we shouldnt condone it

but look at the rping side of it, in these times yes we know it kills, did they?

yes in morrowind they have moonsugar and skooma I use skooma on that game it hieghtens the rping side of it

[Moogie]

Morrowind\'s idea of having it\'s own unique addictive substances is a good one. Seeing as PlaneShift is also a unique world, it would probably be best to take a leaf out Morrowind\'s book and name tobacco something else. It\'s the association to real-life substances that worries me the most, really.

[Kanon]

I was 13 when I started playing pen and paper RPG\'s. It was a bit of a club that had started in town. Most of the other players were in their mid twenties or older. So, naturally, there was beer, ale, drugs, and whatever else in the games. Whatever anyones character, including mine, took/ used, I still knew the difference between it being a rp quirk and a rl problem.

I agree that rl substances should be renamed, but I don\'t understand what the big deal is. If someone is old enough to play the game (i.e, reading and such) then chances are they\'ve had the education that says drugs are bad, evil, will kill you, all of the above....

It\'s ultimately anyones choice after that. I mean, I smoke, but because I enjoy it. Only like, one or two every few days. But, if someone walks past me in the street with a smoke in my hand, you know they judge you like you are diseased or something. Fair go. Not everyone can be cured.

/rant off. Sorry, i get upset about this topic sometimes. Hope I\'ve contributed something useful.... :\\

P.S: For the record, I don\'t condone the \"hard drugs\" in anyway in rl, and there is no excuse for those.

[SirTokesalot]

if thers going to be more then 1 sever why not
have  a sever for ppl over 18 ?
That has more adult content  like drinking ,smoking,druges and whorehouses ?
wouldnt a whore be a cool job? lol
or an uncontrolleble fetish? hehe
what if my char is sick and needs to smoke some \"medical herbs\" ?
I got a note from my healer.
the over 18 sever could be a roughter place.
 I\'m not saying these are good things but to have the freedom of choice is real.  
 
the under 18 sever could have bad word filters and such, and be a clean nice world.

Oh and btw i do thing in games i never do in real life,
like run around and  shot ppl. so if i did druges in a game thats not going to make me do them in real life!
I played Vice City i dont steal cars and cocain or shot down cops. There were druges in  Max  Pain also.

[Moogie]

There won\'t be more than one server. The devs want to keep it one server = one community.

I think the only reason why smoking/drugs/etc would be bad is because everyone would be doing it just because they can. Realistically, only a small percentage of players in CB will be roleplayers and stick to their character. The rest of them will be plevelers and cooldoods wanting to show off their Super Doom Axe of Leetness +56, while running around spewing drunken insults and smoking a fag while high on narcotics- because it will impress their chavvy friends.

[Waylander]

Heh, first of all beer is fine, even good for you, unless you are an idiot and drink too much(which isn\'t that much) too often, or have a weakness to it.

And why not have drugs in the game (I hate drugs and my friends know it ) but, think about it, we have drugs and then seriously go against them by penalizing anybody who does them with a lose of strength, permanently  and if you do drugs the limit of strength goes down and so on and so forth until people realize it is stupid to do it in the game then we point out that it isn\'t much different IRL and so we stop everybody from doing drugs

...I hate drugs, you do them over much and I will convince you to stop

[Moogie]

If there are going to be harsh penalties to taking drugs and smoking which make people not do it, then it is not worth the time to implement in the first place.

[Magerranger]

An aspect no one here has thought of is the different races. For starters theres no way a kran that cant breath and deosnt have blood could not smoke or take drugs...

If your a diablo you could take 2x as much as an ekinda (because of size) it would need to be gender spesific, because in rl women cant take drink/drugs as well as men. it would need alot of new animations this seems like alto of hard work to programe... and for what??

who can roll a joint the quickest?
(lame)

or so you can say how cool do i look i have a white thing in my mouth

Atleast fighting adds depth to the game and is a nececity when your being attacked by a wild beast so you dont get mauled. none was ever made to smoke or take drugs (except medacinal) because they would die if they never.

If they do implament it (god forbid) i hope there are the negative effects mentiond somewere in this thread like smokers are slow all the time. They also lose charisma they cant be archers because they would get the shakes if they are dieing for a fag, drugies can just drop dead because they took to much etc.

And just remember in an age where you fight with swords there is no life support, no ambulance, hell there was no recovery position.

P.s. kanon people look at you like your diseased because smoking causes disease e.g. cancer ergo they are right to...

(((((((IMO))))))))

[Zeraph]

I didn?t think the thread worth reading through all the way but here is my opinion on the matter:

Lets see we already have a tavern & mugs so beer is in I guess?
As for drugs, I am strongly against it, however I think we should have something similar to ?smoke-leaf? such as seen in lotr. Smoking pipes with certain plants can have medicinal or detrimental effects depending on what sort of poison the plant has, it can be an extension of a herbalist?s job to gather smokeable plants & prepare them to put in pipes?.
 

[mithhelm]

Or even just have it an item (a tobacco pipe) and you can use it, and you just sit down and blow smoke rings, just as a little something to have fun with to do when you\'re bored.

[Slagle]

Smoking should calm your character and give him a bad cough so he has to stop every 5 seconds and hack.

and shutting down the tavern would make me want to quit PS