The PlaneShift World

[Kixie]

android was that quoted from the site? it doesnt seem right....

if it could suck in the light around it what would stop it from sucking off your hand or you for a lack of better words. in fact it should suck in the whole lake around it. if it was as dense as to keep people glued down on the ground i doubt anyone would live to say they touched it or even saw it for that matter.

[Adeli]

Look, it\'s a \'magical\' world;
a fantasy world.
Why try to apply logic where it is not needed?
This world can become whatever the devs want it to be, stop stressing over the exact physics of it.
Who cares if it makes no sense, it\'s mysterious that way, and mystery is an integral part of fantasy is it not?
This is not Earth, stop trying to make it like Earth.

[Kixie]

well he was trying to fix the exact physics by applying a physical object to balance the lack of centered gravity in a hollow world. Its very wrong, there fore i am correcting him, critisizing him, so he will get better in judgement and mind. This is what we humans like to call LEARNING.

Not trying to flame ya but its implied that post was in response to mine. And i have openly supported saying \"magic did it!\" because this is a game. So dont start pointing fingers at people who are not in favor of this philosophy because i am indeed one of them.

[Adeli]

My retort wasn\'t to you Whemy. It was to those who say not to claim that magic did it. It\'s a game in a  magical world, who cares about physics?

[Ikarsik]

lol this thread is interesting
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ok here is a picture of the planet taken from space. The cave has been drawn in. the collumn thingy is !@#$. The azure sun is (). the cave outline is marked with *. The lake is marked with &. Hydlaa is yliakum is marked %. Kadiokus is marked ^. and as you can see talad is inside the planet watching over his people.

EDIT: oops this came out wrong awell

[karakth]

Yeah hehe to properly display ASCII graphics on the board, you\'d need to add characters behind them:

..........( o ) o )
...............|  
............-___-


Sort of thing. Might still mess it up a bit, but not as much as having it all saquashed to one side.

[Zephyrus]

Black crystal of super dense material... i am thinking... quantum sigularity?


And yes physics doesnt have to apply logically here, but when trying to understand anything logic is pretty much the only tool we have...

[LastAndroid]

Originally posted by whemyfield
android was that quoted from the site? it doesnt seem right....

if it could suck in the light around it what would stop it from sucking off your hand or you for a lack of better words. in fact it should suck in the whole lake around it. if it was as dense as to keep people glued down on the ground i doubt anyone would live to say they touched it or even saw it for that matter.

It\'s not from the site, I made it up.

It only seems to suck in the light because it\'s very very dark. Basicly so dark you can\'t see it, you can only see what\'s around it, kind of like a black hole although it does not suck things in.
The point is usually black crystals are shiny and give off a glare or reflection around light, where this black crystal does not.

Since the black crystal is shrouded in darkness deep under water it doesn\'t have to be put in the game, at least not yet.
I thought it would add something interesting to the story with the side effect of making the physics make sense.

[Ripostellar]

Oh someone brought this up again..

Originally posted by karakth
What\'s the planet\'s name though?

No one knows.. At least it haven\'t been stated anywhere(afaik) and I think the devs haven\'t even made it up yet..

Originally posted by Adeli
This world can become whatever the devs want it to be

Yes and I think the problem is that the devs don\'t know what they want..?

Originally posted by LastAndroid
\"In the shadowed depths below the lake Kadaikos lies a great black crystal. Legends say it contains the force that binds the people to the earth. The few who have seen it saw it gives off not light or color, it seems like it will even suck in any light around it. The even fewer who have touched it say it is the most dense object ever discovered and seems to be indestructible. \"

That\'s a great idea. In fact, it seems even logical.8o

I think it\'s quite hard to create physics when we don\'t even know the physics of our own world...

Zephyrus\'s map was just comical. Think how it feels to log in and immediately be sucked into that crystal and burn (Haven\'t you heard of the center of the mass? )

And what comes to discussing about these matters.. At least I find this more interesting than wondering what my weapon of choise will be...:rolleyes:


Edit: stupid typo

[lynx_lupo]

You can\'t just solve it by adding more mass to the other side. That\'s just naive.

\'Tis magic that holds it together!

[Axsyrus]

I like LastAndroid\'s idea aswell, it might not be completely realistic, but at least it\'s logical and explainable.. I think you could at least blame magic for something like this

[karakth]

This is true. When you create a fantastical world, you\'ll always get a bunch of geeks who get together and discuss it\'s physics. Deal with it.

I like the crystall idea, but wouldn\'t the crystall have to be superdense which then results in the top of the planet collapsing crystallward so you end up with:



Then the centre would start growing hot and, well...You end up with Earth.

And it\'s hard to imagine a situation of a universe with different physics to ours, because the physics of our universe is the basis of everything (Even the way our bodies look) so to change the physics is to change practically everything.

[dfryer]

The problem with a large Gravity Crystal or whatever is that it would cause lake Kadaikos to become somewhat spherical as the water at the edges of the lake will be relatively \"higher\" (farther from the crystal) than the center, until more of the water collects in the center.

Why do we need a spherical, newtonian world?  I believe the resolution of these problems lies in the conclusion that the world is, obviously, flat.  (I.e. a \"plane\") with gravity operating in a direction perpendicular to the world-plane.  

Simplifies all these problems without resorting to pseudo-physics or countless special cases of magical forces holding everything in its right place.

[Monketh]

The \'Plane\' Idea does work for the game, but I always viewed it like this:

Let\'s assume that Yliakum tunnels about a mile into the earth(planet).  
Since the crust of the planet obviously goes much deeper, we can assume that it isn\'t going to melt or anything.
Supposing the cave itself is 2-3 times the height of yliakum (Yliakum included) we can also see that it would most likely be possible.
The rest of the cave would still take up an incredibly small fraction of space in the planet.
Gravity would maintain it\'s effect at tolerable and almost-normal levels.

Where is the problem, again?

[Ripostellar]

Where is the problem, again?

The thing what Talad said.