The New Mirth

[Draklar]

Originally posted by Half_Pint
Members of Mirth are above all others, because we have embraced the view that to kill someone who is innocent is not right.

so you embraced the view that was embraced by masses of people before and still that makes you above all others?

[Xordan]

I think that what he means is that he couldn\'t be arsed to think of anything original to embrace.

[Phinehas]

Well, I\'m starting to get it, but I still gotta agee with Draklar and Xordan at this point.

[Half_Pint]

I know that the idea of non-violence isn\'t exactly a new idea in real life.  It\'s been popular for thousands of years.  But Mirth was the first guild in Planeshift to support it, and we were one of the first guilds that wasn\'t evil.

If you can show me a single guild in Planeshift that isn\'t based on some sort of real life concept or job, please do.  Every view expressed by the guilds of Planeshift has been embraced by many before it in real life.  There have been people like the Cabal who act like jerks, there have been people like Defenders who protect the weak.  There have been thieves, builders and warriors.  If you look at that, none of the Planeshift guilds are all that original.

Please remember that in an RP context Mirth has been around for millenia.  We wandered the world in the great evil, helping and encouraging.  We were the first in the Planeshift world to embrace Mirth, and, yes, that makes us morally superior.  

What makes us different from evil guilds that consider themselves morally superior is that we don\'t go out and kill those who aren\'t like us.  Instead, we try to help them become better than they are.

originally posted by Xordan
I think that what he means is that he couldn\'t be arsed to think of anything original to embrace.

Actually, Xordan, I didn\'t write the guild history or beliefs.  That was done months before I even joined Mirth, by YanRK.  However, I happen to support those beliefs fully.  I hope that this has cleared up any confusion.  

[Draklar]

no, I mean that you say yer above all others even tho it\'s obvious that a lot of other people embraced it as well. So you say yer above even tho yer equal

[Half_Pint]

Thank you for explaining yourself Draklar, that is a very valid point.

Indeed, people such as Mogura and Kada-el should be honoured as our equals.  Perhaps I should edit our beliefs to include those people we see striving for Mirth outside of our happy family.    I wouldn\'t include \"masses\" of people in that, though.  I think that there are about ten people in Planeshift (excluding, the devs, who I am sure are wonderful people.   )  who would be worthy of the title of Morally Equal.

Thank you to all who discussed this, with the exception of Xordan.  The rest of you contributed valid points, and have made me rethink Mirth\'s beliefs.  Thanks for the help!  

[Kiern]

Heh, now your starting to remind me of the old people in movies running around yelling at everyone and proclaming everyone who doesn\'t have their view the devil.

eh, I guess I couldn\'t expect much else from a good guild, which is why I hate alignments...it totally kills originality of purpose.

[Davis]

Above, as in morally higher. Anybody who conforms to their own moral beliefs is, by their own definition, the most moral.

There, drink the sweet juice of Davisian enlightenment and shut up.

[seperot]

Repent your sins and thou shalt be say-ved by the hoo-ly people of mirth..or something like that

[Kiern]

Originally posted by Davis
Above, as in morally higher. Anybody who conforms to their own moral beliefs is, by their own definition, the most moral.

What if part of their moral beliefs is that they have to think their not the most moral?  WHAT THEN?

*note: I really don\'t care about what I just said.

By the way, Mirth is the first?  There wasn\'t any good ones before you or do you just mean the first that\'s still around?

[Half_Pint]

Mirth was among the first good guilds, not THE first.  However, we were the first to embrace non-violence.  (as far as I know)

And, I regret to announce that I will be away for the next three days.  I\'ll be back Thursday afternoon.

Cheers.  

[Kiern]

Originally posted by Half_Pint
However, we were the first to embrace non-violence.  

Originally posted by Half_Pint
and we will stand against the evil in the world!

Is it just me or is that contradictory?  Non-violence means you don\'t fight, and fighting against evil is violence...so to me that would make you the exact definition of a good guild instead of a \"mirthful\" one.

EDIT:
Also, I\'m not trying to be an ass

[Phinehas]

Originally posted by Half_Pint
Please remember that in an RP context Mirth has been around for millenia.  We wandered the world in the great evil, helping and encouraging.  We were the first in the Planeshift world to embrace Mirth, and, yes, that makes us morally superior.

I\'m sorry but that argument doesn\'t work. All I have to do is say that \"in an RP context my guild is older\'n yours\" and I have just effectively annihilated that argument.

I also must point out that it is an example of your moral inferiority to tell people that you are morally superior. If you were morally superior you wouldn\'t be telling people it. That is pride. The very term \"morally superior\" is an oxymoron.

And again, what makes you so sure that there aren\'t many people worthy to be called morally superior?

Please note: None of this contains any malice on my part, just trying to help.

[Xordan]

Um, I\'m confused... lol. Make up your mind. Are u against violence?? Or are u out to stand against our evil ways?? Or are you gonna start up a gay bar... so you can all be \'mirthful\' together??  

[Davis]

Originally posted by Kiern

Originally posted by Half_Pint
However, we were the first to embrace non-violence.  

Originally posted by Half_Pint
and we will stand against the evil in the world!

Is it just me or is that contradictory?  Non-violence means you don\'t fight, and fighting against evil is violence...so to me that would make you the exact definition of a good guild instead of a \"mirthful\" one.

EDIT:
Also, I\'m not trying to be an ass

If this is when you\'re not trying, I\'d hate to think of what you\'re like when you are trying.

The fact that people think that the only way to stand against evil is with violene shows how much we need to spread mirth.

Originally posted by PhinehasI\'m sorry but that argument doesn\'t work. All I have to do is say that \"in an RP context my guild is older\'n yours\" and I have just effectively annihilated that argument.

I also must point out that it is an example of your moral inferiority to tell people that you are morally superior. If you were morally superior you wouldn\'t be telling people it. That is pride. The very term \"morally superior\" is an oxymoron.

And again, what makes you so sure that there aren\'t many people worthy to be called morally superior?

Please note: None of this contains any malice on my part, just trying to help.

It really depends on your moral standard. We have a moral standard. We believe that our moral standard will bring good into the world; therefore, it is superior. The way we see it, there is nothing immoral about acknowladging this fact. Is there anything wrong with ackgnowladging when something is superior? Is believing in your moral values such a crime?

Originally posted by Kiern
What if part of their moral beliefs is that they have to think their not the most moral? WHAT THEN?

Then they have pretty screwed up moral beliefs.