The New Mirth

[Half_Pint]

As Davis said, there are ways of standing against evil that don\'t include violence.  

And, thanks for the suggestions guys, I am certainly being forced to think about them.  

Cya all in a few days.  

[Phinehas]

It really depends on your moral standard. We have a moral standard. We believe that our moral standard will bring good into the world; therefore, it is superior. The way we see it, there is nothing immoral about acknowladging this fact. Is there anything wrong with ackgnowladging when something is superior? Is believing in your moral values such a crime?

No, believing isn\'t, but forcing that belief on others is. It\'s not a crime persay, but it goes against morals. If you believe it and show it by your actions, great! But if you go around telling people, \"I am morally superior than you.\" It\'s the same as insulting someone, telling them they are inferior. That is prideful and egotistical, it\'s not helping anyone, and it is, in essence, immoral.

[Kiern]

Originally posted by Davis

Originally posted by Kiern

Originally posted by Half_Pint
However, we were the first to embrace non-violence.  

Originally posted by Half_Pint
and we will stand against the evil in the world!

Is it just me or is that contradictory?  Non-violence means you don\'t fight, and fighting against evil is violence...so to me that would make you the exact definition of a good guild instead of a \"mirthful\" one.

EDIT:
Also, I\'m not trying to be an ass

If this is when you\'re not trying, I\'d hate to think of what you\'re like when you are trying.

Um...I\'m pretty sure most of the board saw what happens when I do....anyways, if I get confused I doubt I\'m the only one, if helping to define what you mean is being an ass then that\'s \"pretty screwed up\"

EDIT:
To go on, so what exactly are we talking about here?  Mind games, like have been tried before? I still don\'t think \"standing against evil\" is spreading mirth.

[Phinehas]

Don\'t worry Kiern you haven\'t said anything wrong(for once). It\'s just Davis, he\'s frustrated that he can\'t refute our brilliant arguments. Personally, I say up with Half Pint, down with Davis.

[Kiern]

Nah, Davis is cool...they just have the guild act so very different then what YanRK was doing (at least from what I knew)

[Phinehas]

Well, Davis may be cool, but he\'s not Mirthful.

[Davis]

So, Kiern. you\'re saying that we should not defend ourselves, because that isn\'t Mirthful?

[Kiern]

Defend yourself?  From what?  Unless you bother declaring war on someone or challenging them in the arena, I don\'t see how that\'s valid...as for people disrupting your guild, what would there be to disrupt if you just help people?

[Draklar]

so anyway how are you going to spread mirth? By being jesters or something?

[Fanomatic2000]

Defend yourself? From what? Unless you bother declaring war on someone or challenging them in the arena, I don\'t see how that\'s valid...as for people disrupting your guild, what would there be to disrupt if you just help people?

Well, helping people sometimes means that you have to fight others. As long as other \"evil\" guilds try to hurt innocents or defenceless, Mirth will be there to aid them.
We try to keep things peacefully as long as we can, but arguing with an \"evil\" guild can be difficult sometimes because \"evil\" guilds tend to lie a lot and strike without warning or explanation.
We wont attack unless you do something clearly evil such as killing innocents, attack our members or allies, raiding towns, try and take over the world etc.
Dont worry. We wont go on any crusades or anything if that\'s what you mean. We help people when they\'re in need of help and only kill if it\'s absolutely necessary.

Hope this explains what we stand for, and I also hope that my fellow-members agree with what I just said

[Draklar]

Davis said you fight evil without using violence. Phisical fighting means some kind of violence.
and hey now, don\'t generalize all that about evil guilds

[Davis]

Drak, there are other ways. We try to be non-violent, but if someone tries to stab you, wouldn\'t you try to beat them up? However, not all evil is as in-your-face, and usually, violence won\'t be neccessary. There are exceptions to every rule.

Originally posted by Draklar
so anyway how are you going to spread mirth? By being jesters or something?

Helping people, etc.

Originally posted by Kiern
Defend yourself?  From what?  Unless you bother declaring war on someone or challenging them in the arena, I don\'t see how that\'s valid...as for people disrupting your guild, what would there be to disrupt if you just help people?

From whatever feels like attacking us. Just because we avoid making enemies doesn\'t mean people won\'t be jerks.

Originally posted by Phinehas
Don\'t worry Kiern you haven\'t said anything wrong(for once). It\'s just Davis, he\'s frustrated that he can\'t refute our brilliant arguments. Personally, I say up with Half Pint, down with Davis.

I responded to his argument, he just didn\'t bother to quote it. He\'s the one that didn\'t respond to mine. I did refute your \"brilliant argument\", Kiern just chose to ignore it. Read the post he was quoting. The whole thing, not just what Kiern wants you to see. However, I completely agree with your support of the Pint.

Originally posted by Phinehas
Well, Davis may be cool, but he\'s not Mirthful.

You know what? You\'re absolutely right. From now on, I will be so Mirthful the Mirth will spill from my ears.

[Kiern]

Originally posted by Davis

Originally posted by Kiern
Defend yourself?  From what?  Unless you bother declaring war on someone or challenging them in the arena, I don\'t see how that\'s valid...as for people disrupting your guild, what would there be to disrupt if you just help people?

From whatever feels like attacking us. Just because we avoid making enemies doesn\'t mean people won\'t be jerks.

That\'s the point...no player can attack you unless somehow YOU agree to it, that\'s the point of not having open PK...and I\'ve said about the \"non-violence\" ways

Originally posted by Davis

Originally posted by Phinehas
Don\'t worry Kiern you haven\'t said anything wrong(for once). It\'s just Davis, he\'s frustrated that he can\'t refute our brilliant arguments. Personally, I say up with Half Pint, down with Davis.

I responded to his argument, he just didn\'t bother to quote it. He\'s the one that didn\'t respond to mine. I did refute your \"brilliant argument\", Kiern just chose to ignore it. Read the post he was quoting. The whole thing, not just what Kiern wants you to see. However, I completely agree with your support of the Pint.

What the hell are you talking about?

Your last posts directed to me:
So, Kiern. you\'re saying that we should not defend ourselves, because that isn\'t Mirthful?
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The fact that people think that the only way to stand against evil is with violene shows how much we need to spread mirth.
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Point out to me what your talking about?

[Davis]

Forgive me; I was thinking more RP. You\'re right, we can\'t be attacked, so we probably won\'t do any fighting.
EDIT: No, wait, it depends if guild wars are consensual on both sides. So we might have to do fighting.

And to get my point across better: You ever heard of a guy named Ghandi?

[Draklar]

*forces few forums users to form a circle and starts shouting*
make mirth, not war!

hmm... one more question: will Mirth be newb-helpers guild as well?