seige weapons

[Phinehas]

Ok you guys, history lesson.    There were different kinds of arrows used by those longbowmen, some kinds pierced armor, some slid into joints in the armor, and some were even designed to kill the horse. However, as a rule, crossbow bolts are much more effective and accurate at piercing armor.

[DepthBlade]

what if it was a underground base or castle how would you go about seiging that I wonder?

[Xanaroth]

well, you just look where the celing of the base is near the surface, then you start using the catapult and throw rocks on that place, pounding, pounding, pounding on their roof, untill it cracks and everything (including the pile of stones) falls down into the base, killing everyone beneath it.

Then you get your archers and mages and start shooting at the poor people that survived, because they will be verry low and so wont be able to shoot their arrows high enough to hit your own people.

[zinder]

Originally posted by Phinehas
Ok you guys, history lesson.    There were different kinds of arrows used by those longbowmen, some kinds pierced armor, some slid into joints in the armor, and some were even designed to kill the horse. However, as a rule, crossbow bolts are much more effective and accurate at piercing armor.

What you said is correct for the average.
A bow depends on the bowman, a crossbow do not. A crossbow man offers roughly the same attack power as a well trained bowman. A strong, good Archer has the same effective range as a crossbowman, roughly the same piercing abiliy and the archer can shoot faster.
The problem lies in the  strong, good. You need to spend allot more  time in training the archer to be as good as a crossbowman. So the armies mostly decieded to go with the crossbowman if they dont already had good archers.

[DepthBlade]

I\'d rather just say screw catapults and other crap and use a battering ram if there is casualities oh well thats apart of war

[Xanaroth]

or just no weapons at all, just 1 huge empty field, with on both sides the armies and then just run into eachother like a medievil battle.

[Dalec]

I think that defeats the whole purpose of attacking a town...Anyway, in response to the underground siege question: The entire setting is underground, aint really an issue.

I must say, I think guilds warring for towns is ridiculous. The reason a guild is a guild is because people share a common interest in something and wish to help eachother out. Guilds are NOT nations. Therefore, I think guild wars should be fought within towns, with people attacking eachother in the streets competing for terratory and such. To have siege warfare, it should be declared by a leader of great power, say a king perhaps. There is a large difference between a guild and a nation. Lets keep it that way.

(P.S. In response to the battering ram comment, with ridding the game of catapults: You said casualties are a part of war. Well, so are siege weapons )

[Icefalcon]

People...please, town wars dont work in this type of game, a siege takes TIME...thats what makes a siege work, it cuts off the supplies to the city. This is a game, we dont need supplies to survive, and we could simply jump over the wall of the city and leave... there is no point in sieges. Also, what would happen when people log off? People arent gonna sit on their comp and in the game outside a city wall trying to outlast the opponent. As you can see, a realistic sirge system will not, and never will work in a computer game.

[Deddarus]

Originally posted by Vengeance
I would like to do siege weapons in a future release.  I think it is probably at least 2 releases away (after CB) though.

- Venge

i think they gonna try anyway m8

[DepthBlade]

Some of you have to get it through your heads that this is a game not real life, EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE!! There are no limits in what you can do...Maybe they won\'t do it because they don\'t know how or it takes to long to make or it just isn\'t what they want WHATEVER!! But nothing is impossible on a game! You all base stuff on history like this whole bowman and crap well this is a game with people that look like cats and stuff it isn\'t exactly REAL LIFE its a whole new AMAZING WORLD where dreams become somewhat reality for us

[Xanaroth]

Originally posted by DepthBlade
Some of you have to get it through your heads that this is a game not real life, EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE!! There are no limits in what you can do...Maybe they won\'t do it because they don\'t know how or it takes to long to make or it just isn\'t what they want WHATEVER!! But nothing is impossible on a game! You all base stuff on history like this whole bowman and crap well this is a game with people that look like cats and stuff it isn\'t exactly REAL LIFE its a whole new AMAZING WORLD where dreams become somewhat reality for us

i agree. it is a game, and we will just have to site back, relax and have a drink, awaiting the nxt release and see what kind of ideas will come, and which ideas will be left aside not be be put in to the game, or for later use.

[Monketh]

Originally posted by DepthBlade
Some of you have to get it through your heads that this is a game not real life, EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE!! There are no limits in what you can do...Maybe they won\'t do it because they don\'t know how or it takes to long to make or it just isn\'t what they want WHATEVER!! But nothing is impossible on a game! You all base stuff on history like this whole bowman and crap well this is a game with people that look like cats and stuff it isn\'t exactly REAL LIFE its a whole new AMAZING WORLD where dreams become somewhat reality for us

Wohoo!  Let\'s have a needle that\'s really expensive but can pierce any metal!

My point is: A certain amount of realism must be maitained.  Obviously nobody\'s going to be a peasant farmer, but we can\'t just screw realistic things rather than study them.

[Icefalcon]

No not everything is possible, we can create new items and themes, we can defy gravity, we can travel through space at 3 times light speed in computer games, but a Siege will NOT work because people are free to LEAVE and turn their comp OFF. What will happen to a siege if eveyone has to leave and log off?!?

[DepthBlade]

Seige is very impossibel just not 24/7 not everyone is going to log off during every seige some would work just fine others wouldn\'t! Depends on the players on and what time it is!

[Dalec]

Umm, anyone who says seiges can\'t be done, you need a lesson in MMORPGs. Not only has it been done, but it had been done fairly succesfully (not perfect). Ever heard of ShadowBane or even DAoC; realm vs realm? I wish people knew what they were talking about before they posted...

Also, in response of the players logging off and stuff, well duh! It is just a factor added to sieges that must be worked around. It takes time, resources, and much planning to get a large number of people to create a siege. Of course people will log off, so what? IceFalcon: Are you trying to tell me you believe all players involved in a siege would have to log off at the same time? That is ridiculous. You have nothing close to a valid point.

Raids are very similar to siege in that you must have a large number of people committed to meet and do a certain task at a certain time. In other words, if you can make a 40 person raid, why not a 40 person siege?