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« Reply #45 on: August 11, 2004, 05:52:17 am »
boutus- if your still bothered about yoyo\'s after what fortex said dont think of them as yoyos thinks of them as small, long flails made of varying materials
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« Reply #46 on: August 11, 2004, 07:15:35 am »
I could see Yo-yo\'s as a weapon.  Anything could be a weapon, Yo-yo\'s wouldn\'t be too bad.

Haha, I can see my char (a assassin or thief) sneaking through the shadows of his target\'s house.  The man is sitting in a large chair smoking a pipe and staring into the fire.  I have two choices:  Either I wind up and give him a nice hard well placed hit on the back of his head and knock him out or extend it, make a loop and hold onto the large heavy end and wrap it around his neck to strangulate him.

It\'s a very plausable weapon.

Just because you think it\'s a toy Boutus, doesn\'t mean in a completely different world it can\'t be used as a weapon.

Think of a large metal yoyo type deal imbeded with spikes and held for the string some strong metal cord like material.

Oh and boomerangs could be very useful as weapons, the first people who used it didn\'t mean for it to come back it was just a fluke how the thing was shaped... I watched wild boys one time and chris threw a big african one, here it comes flying at him, BOOM hits him right on the head an knocks him right off his feet.  He\'s sitting there bleeding from his wound... It was funny.

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« Reply #47 on: August 11, 2004, 11:26:04 pm »
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Originally posted by Boutus and u have a tiny toy as a weapon,pathetic.


Not quite, Yo-Yos were  originally weapons! :D  :D

What are you smoking boutus??!!

The whole point of Yo-Yos was that they ambushed, so you didn\'t know someone was there until you\'re on the ground with the brains leaking out of your skull.

And out of Yo-Yos originated the.......... bolus. A thrown weapon when, used correctly,  it  tripped your target. It works better if your target is running.

I would like to see them implement that!


Uhm, a bolus is the scientific term for the moist, saliva saturated ball of food that is formed into a ball by your tongue right before you swallow... although, if you were just about to swallow a large amount of particularly pungent garlic, I can see how it could be used as a weapon...

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« Reply #48 on: August 11, 2004, 11:35:34 pm »
I believe he meant that weapon composed of two balls and a string. ( O---O ). Since I don\'t realy know it\'s name in english I can only suppose that this is what he meant.

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« Reply #49 on: August 12, 2004, 12:20:27 am »
Firstly
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Main Entry: bo?lo
Pronunciation: \'bO-(\")lO
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural bolos
Etymology: PhilSpanish
: a long heavy single-edged knife of Philippine origin used to cut vegetation and as a weapon

Though I see no connection between that and a Yo-Yo. Perhaps he was refering to a
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Main Entry: bo?la
Pronunciation: \'bO-l&
Variant(s): or bo?las  /-l&s/
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural bolas  /-l&z/; also bo?las?es
Etymology: American Spanish bolas, from Spanish bola ball
: a cord with weights attached to the ends for throwing at and entangling an animal

Secondly maby we should refrain from calling something a weapon just because it can be used to harm. There are loads of \'items\' that have no \'warfare\' aspect while there are many that do. Now if you want to make a \'War Yo-Yo.\" I\'m all for it. I think that something like that would be a great, unique item. But lets call an orange and orange and an apple an apple.

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« Reply #50 on: August 12, 2004, 03:40:12 am »
so bola is the right name...
Anyway, yo-yos were weapons at first. Bt of course, let\'s keep reasonable items here. I don\'t want to see people using fish to beat each other. Althought, Yo-Yos, Fans, Boomerangs, Bolas, shuriken among many others would be a very nice add-on.

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« Reply #51 on: August 15, 2004, 12:53:47 am »
i love the idea of a war yoyo, that is just funny.  another idea for a ranged weapon is a spear thrower. austrailian aboriginees(and others) used them to great effect.  basically a 3 feet stick with a cup on one end, you put the back end of the spear in the cup, and the spear thrower effectively lengthens your arm, adding more leverage and power(range and damage)

I\'m also liking the idea of blowguns, shurikens, warfans, what about thrown darts?

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« Reply #52 on: August 15, 2004, 02:15:57 am »
I actually went to Wikipedia to find information to shut the very abusive person above up, but found that he (though he brought his point accross in a very inappropriate and flammable manner) was actually right. It would seem there is not historical information to back up the theory of the yo-yo beginning as a weapon.

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Contrary to popular myth, there is no evidence that the yo-yo is derived from, nor even existed in any form intended for use as, a weapon. As anyone who plays can assure you, that while the force generated by a yo-yo could indeed be rendered deadly with the addition of sharpened edges, the difficulty of safely retrieving it would render such a device somewhat impractical. This rumor likely originated in the Philippines, where the historical record shows that hunters in the 16th century used sharp rocks with strings attached to kill prey from trees. The modern yo-yo began to be developed there at around this time, which is probably the source of confusion.


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« Reply #53 on: August 15, 2004, 02:17:52 am »
I actually went to Wikipedia to find information to shut the very abusive person above up, but found that he (though he brought his point accross in a very inappropriate and flammable manner) was actually right. It would seem there is not historical information to back up the theory of the yo-yo beginning as a weapon.

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Contrary to popular myth, there is no evidence that the yo-yo is derived from, nor even existed in any form intended for use as, a weapon. As anyone who plays can assure you, that while the force generated by a yo-yo could indeed be rendered deadly with the addition of sharpened edges, the difficulty of safely retrieving it would render such a device somewhat impractical. This rumor likely originated in the Philippines, where the historical record shows that hunters in the 16th century used sharp rocks with strings attached to kill prey from trees. The modern yo-yo began to be developed there at around this time, which is probably the source of confusion.


See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yo-yo for more information. This said, I would agree that this would indeed be a very interesting weapon if implemented properly (i.e. not actually as a yo-yo, but something based on it).
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« Reply #54 on: August 15, 2004, 01:40:59 pm »
Have anyone seen the James Bond movies. I recall a assination attempt on james bond where he was sleeping, and a bad guy above him had a Yo-Yo with sharp saw like edges. Of course James Bond could escape :). But it is an example of how the Yo-Yo could be used as a assasination weapon.

Some of you can say that James Bond is not the real world. But so is Planeshift :). What mathers is how usefull a Yo-Yo weapon can be. If it exist or not. How can it be used it battle, or in assasinations.

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« Reply #55 on: September 03, 2004, 12:38:54 pm »
the boomerang is a cool idea.

being an auzzie i have owned and used them and there are several different types. (even though all mine are lost down the bush)

the v shaped ones will return if they dont hit anything. they are made from solid wood and will kill you if you get hit you in the head. if they kill you, they will  just break your ribs or knock you down and you wont be able to move.

there is a larger type of boomerang and is shaped like a number 7 and are about a metre in height and are quite heavey and will knock down a large kangaroo to the ground and will paralize it. this type of boomerang does not return.
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« Reply #56 on: September 03, 2004, 01:17:13 pm »
A yo-yo is a weak blunt weapon and to make it an effective weapon you are making it just as deadly to the user

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« Reply #57 on: September 30, 2004, 02:06:09 am »
The boomerang idea is great, it can be a terrifying thing to use (I\'m an Auzzie too :) ).

I\'m no expert on them of course I just remember as a kid playing with one, it was a heavy thing to use but glided through the air with a heavy whoosh sound. They can be quite scarey to use too. I\'ll never forget my brother being hit by one though, considering the type of boomarang its lucky he has a hard head :D. Which isn\'t so funny really the next time it hit a tree breaking a thick branch off (it would have killed someone if it connected) I guess its all in the throw.

The longer sided boomerang spoken about earlier is a non-returning design. The traditional returning design is a curved or v shape.

There are also sports boomerangs that have more 3 blades or more or hooked edges. Called hook, twister etc and so forth whatever name the company wants they could be interesting too... especially the use of lead weights etc to a traditonal weapon.  

Also the returning of a boomerang is not always certain, mostly it comes down to the way it is thrown, requiring a twist of the wrist on release.

My point besides supporting the creation of such a weapon or a weapon based on the boomerang is to say it has various forms and uses worth investigating.

I saw earlier the mention of a Bola, a weapon I recognise and would also like to see. Its sole purpose is to entangle and bring down a beast/target. While not a lethal weapon its uses could be interesting in capturing of targets and may cause damage to legs :) slowing targets.

As for the yo-yo... I don\'t think there is a simple answer to its origin for instance it can be found throughtout the world in various forms. In China about 1000 BC (Diabolo), greece around 500 bc (a delicate ceramic design similar to todays types). One thing is for certain they are all toys. In the Philippines it may have had origins as been a weapon. But besides the physics of the oversized yo-yo casting it immediately under a suspicious light it would appear \'the weapon origins\' may have been a marketing campaign around the 1930\'s - 1940\'s.

The name yo-yo is from Tagalog (the main language in the Philippines) and there is no doubt the yo-yo toy we know has its origins there, by this I mean the inclusion of looping the string around the axle allowing the yo-yo to rest at the end of the string. Anyway my point is, ditch the name, its the name of a kids toy. However use the concept and design your own, work out if its a blunt or spiked weapon and write it up etc

My poorly constructed example :

Name : Devils (<- maybe replace with appropriate creature in planeshift like \'Tremor\' or what have you) Tongue

Description : A hand sized loop with a strong chain attacted connected at the other end to a spindle inside an outer two halved shell. The outer shell is attached to the spindles sides and curves around most of the spindle itself, leaving only a slightly larger then chain width opening for the chain. The hand loop attaches into a slot along the chain opening ( where the chain is wrapped around ) and clicks into a simple locking mechanism. Thus weapon is carried \'locked\' looking like a loop connected to a spiked or bladed ball. In more elaborate designs the spikes/blades are retracted until the chain unlockes, also larger designs have the hand inside the ball holding a bar.

Use : If a strong enough force, such as a throw action occurs the locking mechanism releases and the ball can unwind. If used correctly the ball flies at its target bludgeoning them and if bladed slicing them. The weapon now acts as a ball and chain (if you\'ve ever seen \'Salute of the Jugger\' you\'ll know how effective a chain can be when swung, then add in a ball full spikes/blades ;D. Anyway it can also be used to disarm targets (wrap around a sword/axe and pull it away) or entangle legs or choke if skilled enough. After combat it is wound back up and locked.

Pros : easy to carry, range, ability to disarm/entangle.

Cons : hard to use, in most cases effective against one target only. Wound up after combat, takes time.
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« Reply #58 on: September 30, 2004, 02:10:57 am »
I had a boomeang once... I was pretty good with it too but it needed the biggest field in the world to make the \"U\" shape to come back
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