Author Topic: What it means to be good, evil, or neutral  (Read 6607 times)

TheRedMonk

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« Reply #75 on: April 29, 2004, 11:07:19 pm »
Again, the guy doesnt even notice he has been robbed!...so he cant miss the ring with very sentimental value that his mother gave him... ;)

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« Reply #76 on: April 29, 2004, 11:19:00 pm »
that doesn\'t change anything...
both when someone noticed or not,
guy stole to do good -> chaotic-good
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« Reply #77 on: April 29, 2004, 11:20:09 pm »
Hell notice when he looks at his finger. And is very likely to place a huge bounty on the thief and ring. Which could have its benefits, since you can just return the ring with a random victim.

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« Reply #78 on: April 29, 2004, 11:22:22 pm »
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Again, the guy doesnt even notice he has been robbed!...so he cant miss the ring with very sentimental value that his mother gave him... ;)


Very flawed logic.  He will miss it as soon as he looks for it.
Taking from others without their consent is, of course, never good, no matter how much Sangwa may construe it to be so. :P
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« Reply #79 on: April 29, 2004, 11:24:55 pm »
I meant a wrestling ring...not a finger ring :D   Thanx guys for helping a confused fellow who doesnt get much about chaotic, lawful and rings... ;) and whats up with all these fruit wars...Cant understand whats so funny about it...its like \"I p0wn you!\"...\"no! Lemon rewls Oranges!\"...anyway...as long as you have fun a guess its ok ;)

(and oh...who said he was wearing the ring???)
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« Reply #80 on: April 30, 2004, 07:58:23 pm »
It\'s not evil, if the one who stole it didn\'t have the intention to cause suffering. It\'s not good, but it isn\'t evil aswell.
It\'s as evil as buying the ring, since the objective is the same (to aquire the ring) but the method used is Chaotic.

PS: Hey Monketh! You make me look bad! I don\'t construct things! =P =P =P
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« Reply #81 on: May 02, 2004, 02:30:08 am »
Ok, so this is basically what we\'ve heard for the last several posts, and I also looked on one site. According to the site:

It does not depend on the act that is good or evil. Actually:

If it strengthens the neighbourhood, populace, world, etc., it should be considered good.

If it weakens the neighbourhood, populace, world, etc., it should be considered good.

And also, how Monketh said that taking things from others are never good.

What if a paladin stole a great artifact of evil from a dark mage? That would be considered good because he is preventing the mage from damaging whatever he has in mind. However, if the paladin stole the artifact to use it for himself, it can be considered evil. But maybe not, because maybe his intention is to do something good.

Even if the paladin was lawful good, stealing an artifact in order to save the world is probably not against his code, especially since its from an evil character.

Another thing, you have to look at evil and good from different perspectives. Lets say a King ordered a genocide on a bunch of lepers in order to save the rest of his people from leoprosy. To his people, he\'s a hero. To the lepers, he\'s a crazy, senile, cruel, etc. tyrant.

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Besides that, I also have an opinion on true neutrality. Whoever is true netural doesn\'t nessacarily mean he acts to give gains to himself. Doesn\'t it mean he strives to balance good and evil so that one side doesn\'t become too exsistent? There aren\'t many characters like this, especially among humans(because of their natural chaotic/changing ways), and even among other races, it is extremely rare.

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WHEW! That was my third and longest post ever lol. Thx for hearing me out.

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« Reply #82 on: May 02, 2004, 08:27:54 am »
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What if a paladin stole a great artifact of evil from a dark mage?
If paladin does such thing, his GM removes nice number of exp from the character for playing against role ;)
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Even if the paladin was lawful good, stealing an artifact in order to save the world is probably not against his code
yes, stealing is very honorary thing, isn\'t it? ;)
Part of paladin\'s code from some website:
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Honor: Be forthright and have integrity in all things. Do not lie, cheat or steal. Do not use poison or other dishonorable tactics. Do not take an unfair advantage in combat. Likewise, do not let people take unfair advantage of you.
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« Reply #83 on: May 02, 2004, 12:43:44 pm »
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yes, stealing is very honorary thing, isn\'t it? ;)
Part of paladin\'s code from some website:
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Honor: Be forthright and have integrity in all things. Do not lie, cheat or steal. Do not use poison or other dishonorable tactics. Do not take an unfair advantage in combat. Likewise, do not let people take unfair advantage of you.
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So killing an evil wizard is allowed but stealing his evil weapon of mass destruction isnt?
Yes i see the sense in that :)
Has anyone yet mentioned that there is also a scale of evilness/goodness/neutralness? Since someone might be very evil or only slightly evil.

Falming_newb, i think you mean that weakening the neigborhood is evil. Otherwise it could be fun being good, killing the townsfolk while saying i do it all for the purpose of the goodness ;)
And i think of being neutral as being like most of us are in real life, just living their lives not doing much evil or good.