What it means to be good, evil, or neutral

[Kuiper7986]

I got a quote for each type of guild I\'d like to share:

Good Guilds:
\"Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.\"

Evil Guilds:
\"Law! What do I care about the law? Haven\'t I got the power?\"

Neutral Guilds:
\"Your only obligation in any lifetime is to be true to yourself.\"

I just wanted to know. What do you guys think really makes a guild evil, good, or neutral? What\'s the basis of your principles on the alignment you chosen. In simpler terms on what ground is your reason for choosing the alignment of the guild you wanted to be in or created?

BTW: This is a good thread for guild leaders to talk about their point across or any loose ends about their  guild\'s alignment, if they do so choose.

[Moogie]

Not another alignment discussion... jeez...


Well okay, if we really must raise this issue again... but it\'ll end in spam, flames and arguing, as usual.


The Followers of Aliathi believe that Good is what our Goddess tells us is good. We believe that Good is to help others and fight evil wherever it should arise.

(Realistically, I know that this opinion is fundamentally flawed, but this is a game, and the above is IC. There is simply no need to find a \'true\' meaning of alignments- it is what you, as an individual, make of it.)

\'Nuff said.

[Kuiper7986]

Moogie there\'s no flaw with what you said. You believe in what you believe in, I can\'t tell you if that\'s good or evil or right or wrong. Your opinion is the correct answer because it\'s your opinion. Oh yeah I didn\'t actually say there was a need for the true meaning of alignment. I just wanted to discuss it on what people \"believe\" is the meaning of good, evil, or neutral.

[Wedge]

Good and evil is just the contrast that occurs when blending the percieved motives from one into the perspective of another.  Everyone sees good and evil in their own way, it\'s impossible to generalize it.

And ummm, just to clarify, that means just about every person and guild is a bunch do-gooders trying to thwart evil.

[Serphet]

wedge\'s reply == 100% correct

[Kuiper7986]

There\'s a fine line between someone who does something evil and thinks its good to him and someone who does something evil and knows its evil.

[Draklar]

oh look, another people that don\'t see difference between words \'good\' and \'right\'...

if someone evil does something evil, he probably thinks it\'s right thing to do
but if he thinks what he does is good, then he probably has his mind messed up.

as in: If I do something evil I know it\'s not good, but I believe it is the right thing to do.
Xandria made great post about that, why can\'t you people read Xandria\'s posts?

now for the alignment, I think this sums up what the Dark Empire believes in (lawful-evil):

We are the ones that embrace the power given by the darkness. The power revealed to the ones that sense the flow of the world. We dwell in pride and glory, fight under command of our empress. Use the power of spell, slay our foes with the steel that stays cold. Honor among the dark ones, it is what we believe in. The loyality and trust shall help us in achieving all of our needs. Side by side, together we\'ll fight, with courage we\'ll slay any foe. With the sense of the strategy, the blindness ain\'t what we undergo. For the thrill of battle we ride, with the great will to stay strong. We dream to achieve our eternal goals, of power, wealth and control.

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[Zephyrus]

Us and them.

good and evil is just another abstract concept; you can argue all day about its connotations, but basically like wedge said it is matter of opinion.

Its just another way to fill yourself with more pride, and more hate for your enemy; \"i am the righteous warrior and i will smite ye infidels!\".

That is why The Mercenary Guild is neutral, we see the futility in both good and evil. But it is true, the conflict it causes is certainly profitable for us.

[elscouta]

Originally posted by Mogura
Not another alignment discussion... jeez...

Agreed

Well, let\'s continue the endless argument then. For me neutrality is when someone or a guild cares only about itself but never do something morally bad to gain power or another thing. They will never do something good or neutral if this is against their aim or simply useless for them. Although, as long as it\'s not an evil deed, they will do everything which benefits them. When i say \'good\' and \'evil\' here, i don\'t mean lawful or chaotic, i mean really \'good/evil\'. A neutral guild is ready to do something chaotic (breaking the law) but as long as no people or guild is damaged in the mean time.

[Draklar]

Originally posted by Zephyrus
good and evil is just another abstract concept; you can argue all day about its connotations (...)

or you can simply check in dictionary
evil
good

anyway, my views on each guild:
neutral-good: Smply making others happy. Making charities and so on.
chaotic-good: Fighting against evil opressor. Rebel-type of people.
lawful-good: Fighting against all evil people. Fanatics in doing so.
true neutral: Minding own business.
chaotic-neutral: Acting how the guild feels like it.
lawful-neutral: Following some kind of code, like honor or local law.
neutral-evil: Breaking the law to gain more wealth and so on.
chaotic-evil: Achieving everything by destruction. Finding it easy to betray others.
lawful-evil: Trying to gain dominion. Following some kind of code while doing so.

err... look at first post. He just wants to hear opinions, not to discuss them

[lynx_lupo]

Don\'t forget true neutral druid avengers, people! X(
True neutral doesn\'t mean just the maximum \"I don\'t give a darn\" realtionship/view towards other entities.

[Phinehas]

So far, Draklar has made the most sense. I base that on the fact that I like his definition of a Neutral-Lawful guild. lol I know, I\'m so objective it\'s scary. lol

[Annah]

What means to be good, evil or neutral? Well, JOIN the Black Order and you\'ll see ... we\'re everything!

[Draklar]

*looks at Annah\'s sig*
how can you be neutral or good if yer true evil?

[Zephyrus]

They are good at being evil and they wear neutral colours?