I don't want to summon just any *normal* skeleton...

[Xanaroth]

not to mention all the possible combinations of bones/sould etc that have to be implemented, most with a own look. do you have any idea how much work that is?

[Saphire]

A 50 normal bone skeleton would look different than a normal 200 bone skeleton, but the devs wouldn\'t have to place EVERY single bone in that sucker...

Having three models for Minimum, Medium, and Maximum would be best. One model for 50 bones and more, one model for 125 bones or more, and one for 200 bones.

Because flesh covers the bones, all that would be needed would be to have just one model. the skins applied are then handled like chothing/armor.

then, a sprite would encompas them in a glow relative to their soul\'s power, but only when you get close (melee close) or cast a magic spell to see the aura better

[ShadowFish]

that would bother me if it died early and didnt live long.... waht if you didnt have dead bodies...you would be useless...the undeads you summon should last until their health is gone.....and i wouldnt go through the trouble of collecting and assembling two hundred bones for it to crumble within 50 minutes

[Xanaroth]

with the summonings i would rather see a hp limit as well but magic lvl related, and a time limit like 5 minutes per lvl in that magic skill and that its power is also lvl related. that way when you are low lvl the summos excists a few minutes and is weak, and when you have skill lvl 50 for example, it would excist for 5*50 is 250 minutes is over 4 hours, and it would also be much stronger and have more hp.

[ShadowFish]

the one problem i have with that was the time.....even if it lasts that long it will still bother me....pick, pick, pick but i probably won be summoning the undead

[Saphire]

I dont remember saying they\'d cumble after 50 minutes. Please, tell me where i said they\'d cumble after 50 minutes. ?(

They would last as long as they have HP and your magical power to sustain them. More undead = more magical power needed to keep them sustained. no magical power to keep them sustained = undead crumble away untill they\'re sustained again

If they have their own soul (read: they have a special soul placed into them) then they\'d last on their own HP and nothing else.

You could re-collect bones and flesh from undead that have fallen and you would always get large amounts of bones from nearly every enemy you kill, so you\'d never be \"useless\".

[ShadowFish]

xanaroth said they die after a certain amount of time
then i said that would be wrong...
because then you wont go through tedius task of selecting body part

[Xanaroth]

Originally posted by ShadowFish
that would bother me if it died early and didnt live long.... waht if you didnt have dead bodies...you would be useless...the undeads you summon should last until their health is gone.....and i wouldnt go through the trouble of collecting and assembling two hundred bones for it to crumble within 50 minutes

i really think you started off with time... i just \"expanded\" it a little.

[ShadowFish]

ohhh...ok

[Tash]

great idea Saphire, you\'ve really thought this through i hope this will be implemented in the game sometime!

[Wormtail_]

I simply skimmed the topic, so my questions may already have been answered. My apoligies if that is the case.

Anyway, I have a few questions. First, is it possible for the Undead with souls to revolt against the master? If not, why not? If so, how are they kept under control?

Secondly, can a character be stricken with disgust at the gruesome rearranging of other\'s body parts? I am reminded of the wronks of Terry Brook\'s Sword of Shannara  series, and am curious as to if this is possible. Or even required for necromancers to go through. Neophytes, anyway.

Interesting idea - it is a new look on the Undead, so I am not struck with the sudden urge to state that the idea of Undead is unoriginal.

[John_Thazer]

Quite good i must say..although problematic...

[ShadowFish]

it doesnt have many problems except that if the creature will have a soul and will that comes with it, it will want freedom, but since a necro....wait there arent really classes....so when a player summons the monster it will be bound to him by magic....... to do as the summoner wishes until it is killed or set free...which is highly unlikely that they would really free it for no reason...

[Wormtail_]

Perhaps this is where the stat Will comes in. It is a contest of wills between a creation and summoner. If the former wins, then it is set free to cause destruction. If the latter, then the undead creation remains under control. What do you think?

A summoner may want to set an undead creature free because they cannot sustain it anymore or just want to laugh at the running NPCs/newbies/other players. The latter may have to be controlled in some fashion, such as no releasing of undead creations in public areas, such as Hydlaa Plaza. Comments?

Now to repeat a question. Should there be a feeling of disgust at the creations? Both from the creator of the, erm, animated pile of bones and rotting flesh, and \"innocent bystanders.\" I mean, if some jumble of bones and flesh just came strolling up your lawn one day, wouldn\'t you be disgusted? Not to mention suffering a sudden attack of paranoia?

[ShadowFish]

yah if the summoner couldnt control monsters with his will they will have to release it...this way summoners wont be able to summon ridiculously powereful creatures......welll they could but it would go berserk and become a normal monster.....