SH Disbanding... Happy now ?

[Yann]

Yes, i know that for many persons it\'s a great piece of news, even if they will probably post here saying something like \"oh too bad...\".
And for the others, it wil really be a bad news.

Why have I decided to disband the guild I created ?
Ok so imagine... Would you enjoy being spied and betrayed all the time?
Yes, I disband because I am bored of all that spying community which has nothing better to do than spoiling the fun of a secret guild.
I know, it\'s my fault too, because I didn\'t manage to run correctly and keep the members and stuff secret. I\'ve tried my best, and it almost worked. But now I am too annoyed to find out that the ones I considered friends are just spies here to give out info about my guild.
I now know it will never end, and that a secret guild is a bad idea.

So I thank:
- All the guilds who have sent me spies
- All the spies, sent, or who came by their own (I will not give names here... for the moment)
- All the ones who thought/think I didn\'t know they were spies
- And all the ones I didn\'t discover.


Thank you all very much.
I am sorry but I can\'t stand this community anymore.

[AendarCallenlasse]

There once was a time when the word spy was non-existent in this community.  Nowadays it seems every guild has to have them even though it gives them no advantage yet.  Didn\'t like you much but it\'s a shame to see another guild go for this reason.  Good luck on whatever you decide to do in the future.

[Caldazar]

I\'m sorry to hear this Yann, I really am.
I wish that there was something I can do, but unfortunately, I fear that this is just the beginning.
I agree 100% with Yann, this community is in different aspects alot worse than for example Counter-Strike\'s community.
Spying, destroying, hacking and all that shit has nothing to do with a mmorpg.
If you feel that you need to do the above to be competitive, please turn of your computer, turn on the lights, open the frontdoor, walk outside.
The sun, it burns!

[Draklar]

oh damn, sorry to see that happen, Yann
I already stated my opinion about all this \"spying\" business. Too bad some people aren\'t able to understand it...
Anyway, didn\'t know you were under that big preasure of it... I suppose it couldn\'t be kept on.

[lynx_lupo]

Too bad, but is it worth quiting over some fools?

[Icefalcon]

Hmm, sorry to hear that Planeshift will lose a good (as in well-put together) guild. Do you have any idea what you will do now?

[Dameon]

It is a ashame. This should not have happened. As I do not see many things wrong with spying, a limit is definetly needed. To cause a whole guild destruction because of the sheer number of spies is rediculous. I am sorry this happened Yann. There is no way you would reconsider?

[Draklar]

what do you expect? This community filled with jerkish people won\'t let secret guild stay secret. The more that like Caldazar said this spying has nothing to do with mmorpg.
Finding no fun in running a guild, because you have to worry about spies all the time... I would do same thing... :rolleyes:
a guild that already gained nice position in the world of Yliakum destroyed by idiocy of the community... should make some people think about what they\'re doing.

[Grakrim]

Yann said it best, \"I am sorry but I can\'t stand this community anymore.\"

Just another example of the sad state of affairs we\'re in.  Its sad indeed a relatively good guild must disband over this sort of thing... It, however, happens; its beyond our grasp...

Best of luck to you, Yann, in where life takes you.

[Kada-El]

I\'m so sorry to hear this

I didn\'t realise things had got so bad Yann, it\'s pretty maddening X(
But don\'t forget you do have many friends here who\'d be very sad to see you go and are more than happy to lend their support in any way they can, don\'t let the idiots get you down

[Monketh]

Woah....
I\'m sorry to hear this, despite the fact that I didn\'t know you well.

Of course, to try and keep spies out involves a lot of trouble.

The only real cure would be to compile an IP list, and most people don\'t want that done...

[shadowmancer]

Originally posted by Yann
Happy now?

No.

And Monk, alt!=spy. And me and some other people have been compiling an IP list. If you want to join in...

[Monketh]

Originally posted by shadowmancer

Originally posted by Yann
Happy now?

No.

And Monk, alt!=spy. And me and some other people have been compiling an IP list. If you want to join in...

I didn\'t say I wasn\'t guilty.  
Just not this particular incident.

PM me with the details, please.

[Auran]

Good Luck Errion. The SH was one of the few competent guilds around. Now its dead. I have talked to you in length over this and know that you are cool enough not to disturbed very much by this. But still it makes me sad to think that it could be my hand by which SH perishes. I wanted to have the SH not kill it.

About Spies:

As to spies they are a reality. They make this game interesting. They force guilds to evolve and develop immunity to subterfuge instead of remaining inert. The Cabal has had more spies than most guilds put together so believe us we know. Its part of the excitement of the game.

The name of the game is \" Move fast or Die\" and like it or not we are all playing it. Face it and stay ahead. Warriors don\'t whine that the enemy is too strong. They move ahead and kill. That is how the war is won.

BTW:
I remember a certain day when certain people ridiculed the idea of spies when Cabal proposed using them. I stand vindicated

[Draklar]

shooting stuff with rocket launcher would make game interesting.
But do everyone want it? No.
Do we need it in Planeshift? Hell no!
Same with spying by creating alts.

And Auran, ever considered that many of the spies placed in cabal are just trying to defend themselfs from your spies?

You know... it\'s funny that so much damage has been done in this community because of your actions, you say you\'re sorry and continue what you were doing...