SH Disbanding... Happy now ?

[DepthBlade]

Spys Why must that start so earlier, why must it start at all! Now I will be extra careful in recruiting and set a longer time trial!! Its a shame to see any guild go...

[Dameon]

Originally posted by shadowmancer

Originally posted by Yann
Happy now?

No.

And Monk, alt!=spy. And me and some other people have been compiling an IP list. If you want to join in...

Compiling and IP list? I know you guys are trying to keep your guild/guilds safe, but a publicly compiled IP list is not the way to go. If someone in the community decides they want to destory someone\'s comp, they have a list to help them along. I am very much against that because, in the wrong hands, it will do more harm than good.

[Monketh]

Originally posted by Dameon

Originally posted by shadowmancer

Originally posted by Yann
Happy now?

No.

And Monk, alt!=spy. And me and some other people have been compiling an IP list. If you want to join in...

Compiling and IP list? I know you guys are trying to keep your guild/guilds safe, but a publicly compiled IP list is not the way to go. If someone in the community decides they want to destory someone\'s comp, they have a list to help them along. I am very much against that because, in the wrong hands, it will do more harm than good.

Obviously enough, certain measures would have to be taken.
Such as only giving it to midbie and above guild-leaders, people you know aren\'t crazy enough to go and hack.

[Yann]

I thank everybody for their support, it was much appreaciated.

About reconsidering, you would easily guess that before posting such a thread, I have though it over for quite some time.
I\'ve made my mind. I won\'t spend all my (cyber) life chasing all the spies around.

For me, friendship\'s the most important thing in life. And when you figure out that the person you considered as a friend actually is betraying you, well, even if it\'s a game, it hurts.
So when it happens several times, it begins to be severly annoying.

I was just too ignorant to think there was a place for a secret guild.

Although I may look depressed, I am not. I am even rather happy that it finally ended for me.

Oh and btw, I\'ve found out, discussing with some friends, that guilds bring more \"bad points\" than good ones, that\'s why I will privilegiate \"groups\" of friends from now.
All I want is having fun with friends now, it\'s much enjoyable and easy than running a guild filled with spies, believe me  

[DepthBlade]

mmm yes it does hurt when you are betrayed by a online friend, I know it only to well...People think since we can\'t see each other and interact physically with each other that who cares what you do...It ain\'t right because friends are just as easily made and cared for on the internet as in real life

[Auran]

And Auran, ever considered that many of the spies placed in cabal are just trying to defend themselfs from your spies?

You know... it\'s funny that so much damage has been done in this community because of your actions, you say you\'re sorry and continue what you were doing...

Well Draklar I know what you say and agree. Spies are placed in the Cabal for defence I know. But why were spies placed in the SH? Not all spies in SH where Cabali. I have a complete list of SH members and spies in it. Who put the spies in there and why? Who I can tell but won\'t. And why is the question I ask of everyone.

Also please understand that not for a moment do I entertain any notion that what i am doing is not wrong. It is very wrong I admit it. Why else would I call myself evil? But the fact is that I am doing nothing out of the scope of any MMORPG. I am not hacking or threatening or harassing anyone etc. All I do is strictly within the scope and ability of Auran the roleplay charachter so you really cannot blame me for much besides RPing a very evil charachter to which I readily admit. Have you ever considered the fact that Auran was engineered to be what he is? Have you thouhgt that he might not be like Draklar who is actually a reflection of the real gamer behind him? Have you ever thought that some gamers may have RP skills beyond just acting themselves in the game? If you haven\'t then its time you and everyone else did. Auran is designed to be the Nemesis. I suggest, nay urge, that you to try and slay him. Let this be my challenge.

I have chosen to RP evil and by god I will do it. And if you observe I do keep certain restrictions on what I do or say. I never foulmouth, I am never hostile to the fair sex, I never interact with new players lest I scare them off. What more would you have me do? What else could I give up and still maintain my evil identity? So accept it. Auran is Auran and there is nothing you or anyone else can do about it.

EDIT:
But let me add that any suggestions as to how I can improve Auran from any and everyone is always most welcome, though I seriously doubt the plausibility of such. Imagine you teaching me how to talk and you\'ll get the idea of how ridiculous the notion appears to me.

[Maxximus]

Originally posted by Draklar
what do you expect? This community filled with jerkish people won\'t let secret guild stay secret. The more that like Caldazar said this spying has nothing to do with mmorpg.
Finding no fun in running a guild, because you have to worry about spies all the time... I would do same thing... :rolleyes:
a guild that already gained nice position in the world of Yliakum destroyed by idiocy of the community... should make some people think about what they\'re doing.

I don\'t think you can tell idiots anything and expect them to turn around and say \"hey, you are right.\" - this is why they are idiots. I understand what you\'re saying, though, Draklar. And, we should always make an attempt to raise consciousness, if not for the idiots then for the would-be idiots under their influence.

Yann, you worked hard. I\'m sorry some fools screwed that up for you. But, as many mistakes as you think you made or actually did make, I cannot see how SH could have grown and stayed secret. Don\'t blame yourself too much.

It is important to understand that Planeshift Molecular Blue is not a MMORPG, it\'s a chat room where RL details about \"players\" are easy to obtain and the line between Out Of Character (OOC) personal interaction and ingame character interaction doesn\'t exist. The release of Crystal Blue (CB) may include game features that allow a real game to be played, but CB won\'t erase people\'s memories. Too many of the folks here right now know one another personally and will reestablsih their RL ties in CB. Because of this, CB won\'t be a MMORPG either.

Spies in Planeshift would be exciting and fun if this were a real MMORPG. They would have to work hard to do their jobs. As it stand now, it\'s way too easy, that\'s why the idiot variety of Planeshifter tends to become one. I\'ll give them all a little slack, though: wtf else is there to do except collect crytals or argue in this forum?  

[Draklar]

ehh Auran... so you say that alts have anything to do with mmorpg? They use spying skills of their chars or something? And destroying community is very weird way of roleplay you know...
Another thing, me.... weird how all Clawhand, good Draklar and evil Draklar are different, yet all are reflections of me irl 8o
but please, don\'t change topic :rolleyes:

[Auran]

so you say that alts have anything to do with mmorpg? They use spying skills of their chars or something? And destroying community is very weird way of roleplay you know...

Let me demonstrate by example. i have always found it to work well with the dimwitted:

A spy admit it or not is always an alt. In RL or in RP. Look at Matahari. She was something to the germans and another to the allies. Matahari the artist was an alt for the british spy.  Now since games will not allow for such changes within the application (too much programming hassle over a trifle), alts here translate into a different username. The person is essentially the same. Yes I admit it would be wrong to have two physically different in-game charachters for spying. I mean one could create a Dermorian and a Krann and claim to be two different persons. That is wrong in RPG i will agree and if you ask you will know that even Xordan my oldest comerade knows where I stand on that issue. The cabal will not tolerate two physically different charachters. Rely on us to check that. Besides that i don\'t see much wrong about having aliases. Its fair gameplay.
 Plus I am not destroying the community. Would you consider Yann destroyed just because SH fell? Give the man some credit. He was a better gamer than you realise if you think that his only identity was being the leader of the SH. The player has many friends and I hope he counts me among them. The Cabal started with the aim of destroying guilds and that is what it does. Players cannot be destroyed nor can the community they form.

Another thing, me.... weird how all Clawhand, good Draklar and evil Draklar are different, yet all are reflections of me irl
but please, don\'t change topic

Change topic? Tell me my friend when have you ever seen me lose an argument that you think i might be forced to change the topic? Anyhow just because you call youself by different names doesn\'t change the charachter you play. A charachter is much beyond cliches like saying  \"The darkness rules\" or stereotypes like adopting the title of \"Dark lord\". But perhaps this is all beyond you which wouldn\'t surprise me totally. Rest assured whatever name you call yourself by or whatever antics you adopt you can never cease to be the moron Draklar. That is unless you choose to take my help. Then I can create something new and better.


EDIT: Oh and BTW I urge everyone to think of RPGs as not bound by the rules created by some franchise or some game application developed by Game makers. RPGs can be what the player\'s imagination makes them out to be. Thats what makes them so fascinating.

[Draklar]

again, don\'t change the topic of this thread. If you want to talk about my roleplay, come ingame (that\'s where I do most of it anyway). And I understand that you come ingame anyway, since you know so much about me and char I roleplay.
[edit]I think you should ask people that know me long ingame (and talked with me a lot).
I\'d point Monketh, Grakrim, Giladrial, Nilaya, Bora, Aineko, Nia (whatever her name is atm ) and some other people...[/edit]

[Auran]

Ah there you have me for I have never been ingame and seen you (a spectacle as it must have been:P). But I bet its not a fat lot more than you could do here. What can you ingame that you can\'t do on forums yet? Pick crystals? Chat with players while appearing as a dermorian at some tavern? Woooo! Great RolePlay:D. I\'ll cease discussions about your Rp skills here

As for Yann I am sure that he even after having SH disbanded is less threatened by me and my activities than you apparently are.

Edit: I noticed that Draklar didn\'t say much wrong in the above post hence I amend my post and extend my apology for perchance having offended him during the period that my post stood unedited. No hard feelings Drak. I am not ashamed to apologise when I am wrong:)

[AendarCallenlasse]

I say we tie Draklar and Auran up in a corner.  Because they\'re both just as bad as each other.  Every thread either one of them are a part of turns into a childish bickering between the two.  And it\'s getting very old very fast.

[Annah]

First of all Yann, I am very sorry for your guild. But old friends aren\'t forgotten ... remember this.

[Zephyrus]

... well this sucks, i for one don\'t know a single spy, nor have i spied on anybody. Spying can be roleplayed well, ingame. but this isnt roleplay, and its not ingame; its just about dominating the comunity by knowing everyones secrets - not cool.

Anyway I always respected Shadowhand for their secrecy and originality. The sad fact is i have been here for a year and i remember being proud of our community. Now, unfortunately the most dispicable are winning, turning us against one another, dare i even say it; corrupting us.

Let me just say, from a personal point of view i despise the spammers, the arguementative, the arrogant and the \'spies\' amongst us. Our community, especailly the guild community, is rotting away from the inside, soon it will just be an empty husk.

Edit: why is annah\'s sig so big?

[Davis]

The most ironic thing being that nobody really has any secrets at this point in the game, except possibly who they\'re spying on :rolleyes: