SH Disbanding... Happy now ?

[druke]

I am very sorry to here the errion, we heard the storm from miles away, now the storm has arrived, i feel this was a good idea, maybe some time to regroup your thoughts.We have be allies for a long time(almost a year) and it has been a great pleasure working side by side with you and traking down the scum of Yilakum.

Farewell SH.

[Moogie]

You know things are bad when such a respectful guild is forced to disband due to such a stupid reason. I must admit, mainly to Draklar, that I didn\'t think things could possibly be this bad, but after reading this, I stand corrected.

I wish I could do something about it, but the only ones who can are the very people who own these spy alts. A community shouldn\'t have to guard itself from waves of fake characters created solely to infiltrate guilds and learn their every move.

And that is the real problem here... the sheer number of them. Davis alone has three. I know other people also have several alts. Yes, I\'ve checked alot of members out here and it\'s just ridiculous.

I know first hand how alts damage friendships, and even the community as a whole. I found this out the hard way when I nearly forever lost the trust of my best friend here, while under my Adrift alt. But my alt is now retired, since I see the harm that lying and spying inevitably does. I implore everyone else to drop their acts and try to return the community to a safe, pleasant place in which people can run or be a part of their guild in peace, and not have to be paranoid about who they can count as \"friends\". It\'s just not worth it.

Remember, this isn\'t about stupid little guild secrets. They don\'t even exist yet. There\'s no secrets in any guild which would cause it any harm if discovered by a spy. This is solely about the bond of friendship you make when you join a guild, and the deep personal hurt you cause when that bond is broken because they find out their friend didn\'t even exist.


As a side note, due to this situation, Aliathi\'s doors are closed to all except those invited into our church. We are a guild based on friendship and ingame roleplaying, so I\'d rather not risk myself or my members being personally betrayed by a so-called \"friend\".


Anyways... Sorry to see SH go. The idea of a secret guild is not as fundamentally flawed as you believe, Yann. It simply can\'t work in this community untill it changes for the better. Keep the guild alive in your heart, and one day, I know you\'ll be able to bring her back.

[Vengeance]

Sorry to hear it Yann.  But the lack of shock at your guild\'s existence, the mourning of it, and even your announcement of it disbanding are contrary to the whole nature of a \"secret\" guild.

Let this be a lesson to others who wish to have secret guilds.... Be more careful!!!

;-)

- Vengeance

[Auran]

I nearly forever lost the trust of my best friend here, while under my Adrift alt.

I don\'t know what to say. I don\'t know if I should believe whether mogura is talking about me or not. Even if she is not, just to think even for a moment that I might have actually made such a friend, a friend who gets hurt when I fall, satisfies all that I ever wished to accomplish right from the moment I joined this game. I no longer feel the urge to accomplish anything more. Thus I declare Auran the Corruptor gone from this moment on. The Cabal will have my notice as soon as Xordan is back from his vacation. I donot apologise for anything for there is nothing I have done wrong save causing even a moment\'s discomfort to her who considered me a friend. Alas I didn\'t know this sooner or she would be calling me friend still.

The cabal is by no means what everyone sees it to be. It is a force of potency few could imagine. A tool which when wielded right can have effects devastating. With that tool I hoped to accomplish much. But now I see I needed to accomplish little save be a good friend. So now I relinquish that control. It means little to me hereon. It will still help others realise their ambitions but those ambitions i share not.

I by no means will admit I was wrong in creating the Cabal. It has its own place in this community. Nor do any of its activities strain my scruples even slightly. There is nothing wrong with the Cabal save for the fact that they are very good at being Evil. I leave because I am satisfied I have achieved all that I needed to.

I do not know where I will turn next but I will not betray those that trusted me. Had I been my old self I would have used all the knowledge to my advantage but now that I see in the light i would have that knowledge die along with the corruptor i was. I cannot betray those who even trusted me for a moment.

So farewell my friends. The Auran you knew you will know no more. I don\'t even know if i\'ll have a place in this community having relinquished the role I held here. I very well know that I could create easily scores of charachters of any nature which would force you to sit up and take notice but I am no longer inclined to do so. I will remain if I am accepted and tarry alone if not. Not again will I use the abilities that I have save to effect good.

That said I will conclude. Let this be Auran the Corruptor\'s Swan Song.

Note: Cabali please refer to Cabal forums a few hours from now.

[Caldazar]

Originally posted by Davis
The most ironic thing being that nobody really has any secrets at this point in the game, except possibly who they\'re spying on :rolleyes:

SH\'s memberlist was secret, that was the whole point of creating a rogue-guild when I and Yann launched it a long time ago. Much have changed, especially this forum.
I guess some people can\'t see a secret without seeing a challenge, a nut to crack.
Congratulations to those people, you have reached level 2 in Dante\'s Inferno and gained 200,112,081 xp.

[Draklar]

eh, 8th level of Dante\'s Inferno actually... the ring of fraudulent...
Anyway, I hope that it\'ll get better in CB.... when people will have better things to do than alt-spy... :/

[Syzerian]

i really never knew about SH except in your sig
but i know what its like to lose a guild because things arnt working out

so what are you gonna do now? go back to the drawing board and get ready to make a new guild, join an existing guild or go freelance?

i would recommend spending 5 weeks closely studying every guild and their members, it is very enlightening :]
you end up realising some guilds have their description all wrong or pathetic and full of lies

good luck with your future in yliakum

[Ionas]

I just can\'t help wondering... A secret guild filled with spies ofr other guilds claims to disband... Can\'t this be a plot of SH to have an even more smaller secret guild nobodody knows of except their members. It could be a restart with only the loyal part. By stating to have disbanded other guilds don\'t know of the existence of SH so no spies are sent.  It really suprises me this obvious idea hasn\'t come up yet.

If im wrong its a shame a guild comes to its end this way. The shock of the fall will probably have an effect on the other guild for quite some time. Some good can come of this though. It makes people think about how to roleplay with guilds in a way thats fair and fun to everyone. Perhaps a topic to discuss this should be opened.

[Caldazar]

Perhaps a topic to discuss this should be opened.

These things has been \"discussed\" so many times, over and over. No discussions can be held, because those that want to discuss it are stubborn, and close to idiots (except Draklar, he\'s the man).

[Zephyrus]

Originally posted by Ionas
I just can\'t help wondering... A secret guild filled with spies ofr other guilds claims to disband... Can\'t this be a plot of SH to have an even more smaller secret guild nobodody knows of except their members. It could be a restart with only the loyal part. By stating to have disbanded other guilds don\'t know of the existence of SH so no spies are sent.  It really suprises me this obvious idea hasn\'t come up yet.

I thought the same thing, but then i thought - i like sh, so if they are doing that i am not going to say their plan, just incase its true.

[Draklar]

yes, but if his \"friends\" betrayed him already, how can he know who to trust for sure now?

[snow_RAveN]

no iam not happy
fact 1) i never spied on any one in the game
fact 2) the reason i joined cabal was because of the Choatic evil part its like they were pirates in a vast ocean doing mostly what ever they wanted and that inculded Fun, thats what to me life is about Going out there do some crazy stuff and go out maby have some good bbq with buddies and end it with a bang (no iam not a martyr but you get the point)

now ranting and raveing is the only real fun thing to do on any board other than wild specqulation (SP) and even if spying on other guilds is bad, it breaths life into the game ! where the fun if theres no strife ? would you watch suivour if they were all buddy buddy? would you watch simon if he didnt insult people on thier lack of talent ?

so GL yann maby ill see you in game some time ?

[Ionas]

Originally posted by Draklar
yes, but if his \"friends\" betrayed him already, how can he know who to trust for sure now?

Maybe some friends kept loyal and Yann only excegerates as a cover up.

About the concept of the guilds: Since someone said this has been discussed many times before, does this mean there is no good way to avoid these sort of things?

[Caldazar]

Originally posted by Ionas

Originally posted by Draklar
yes, but if his \"friends\" betrayed him already, how can he know who to trust for sure now?

Maybe some friends kept loyal and Yann only excegerates as a cover up.

About the concept of the guilds: Since someone said this has been discussed many times before, does this mean there is no good way to avoid these sort of things?

No, there is no way to avoid it, except for having the f***tards that does it quit, and behave like regular players, instead of trying to \"conquer PS with their flawed logic and ultimate plots of doom\".

[Skizzik]

It\'s never good to see a guild go. It\'s a shame because it can only do bad to the community. However, there is a lot of self-pity in your post, a little too much... hmmm... I wonder...