Put the RPG in MMORPG?

[snow_RAveN]

nope sorry you cant brench press 3 times your body weight on earth the best any one has done is like 1.7 times give or take 0.2 (not real sure on this ... ) also when power training you can train for power or size or endurance so big mussles dont mean more strength

iam not sterotyping down koreans the fact that they have got a huge pop of power gamers proves it

and still it just takes 1 non-rper to ruin any rp game unless 2 severs are created 1 for the power gamers and the other for the Rping community With rp laws enforced its not possiable with a single sever imo to have a nice Lewt Speak free game

[karakth]

Beg pardon...But isn\'t \'levelling\' a great part of RPing? While RPing I usually start off with a \"newbie\" character. Since he is of a low level, he does not have too much wisdom, and constantly makes mistakes and wrong choices, even when I know OOCly that that is a bad choice for him to make. As the character develops and gains wisdom (Exp, whatever) I try to lessen on the mistakes he makes, even change the way he looks at the world.

To me, RPing is not sitting in a tavern and relating made-up stories about my past. It\'s going adventuring with friends, going tooth to tooth with monsters, sometimes saving your friend\'s life, sometimes your friend saving your life. And always learning more about each other, for example:

+++At a campsite, after a battle with a group of bandits.+++

Me: \"That was some shooting you did back there. Where did you learn to draw a bow like that?\"

Friend: \"Well when I was about 15 or so my father took me out hunting and....\"

You get the picture. As PS currently is, there aren\'t that many oppotunities to RP. Claiming to be a merchant, for example, would be much more effective if you could actually sell goods or own a shop.

I think the level of RPing will dramatically increase with CB. But let\'s try and stay out of the whole \'90% of my time is spent in a tavern socialising\' routine and really get out there and adventure.

P.S. Let\'s also try and stop confusing \"your\" with \"you\'re\". They mean different things. Seriously.

[Rothgar]

As long as they take on enough GM\'s to supply a constant 24hr (or close) staff/administration team that will look after the community. It shouldn\'t be too bad. If you think about it, like what PlaneShift dev\'s are hoping... \"PlaneShift won\'t be built for PowerLeveling\" Therefore I take it, it will be more difficult to power level. If someone starts off and they are not RP\'ing you can ignore them, untill you can get a hold of a GM, which is where a nifty GM page system would come in nice. Page a GM for help with troubling situations \'nuf said.

If they can\'t level fast and everyone is RP\'ing then what will they have to do? If they come in and test the RP\'ers patience they will be banned... Hopefully. Which will hopefully be IP based not Account based as to stop evasions some. RP\'ers will have the ability to ignore people. So they will soon enough be left with minimal to nothing to do. If they go off to power level and then are reported, they will be banned and that would fix that?

I\'m sure there will be people who try to blaintantly power level and go on killing spree\'s, hopefully, as the game progresses in time however the RP\'ers will gain levels. Yet the \"power levelers\" banned quickly, to the extent they would have no effect at such a low level?

Of course if there are not a decent ammount of GM\'s/Administrators the game will surely fall. I\'m sure the dev\'s have or will pick out decent RP\'ers though who are fair in judgement. Pick enough of these and you\'ll have a winning staff team IMO.

Once again, just my views.

[Rothgar]

Originally posted by karakth
Beg pardon...But isn\'t \'levelling\' a great part of RPing? While RPing I usually start off with a \"newbie\" character. Since he is of a low level, he does not have too much wisdom, and constantly makes mistakes and wrong choices, even when I know OOCly that that is a bad choice for him to make. As the character develops and gains wisdom (Exp, whatever) I try to lessen on the mistakes he makes, even change the way he looks at the world.

To me, RPing is not sitting in a tavern and relating made-up stories about my past. It\'s going adventuring with friends, going tooth to tooth with monsters, sometimes saving your friend\'s life, sometimes your friend saving your life. And always learning more about each other, for example:

+++At a campsite, after a battle with a group of bandits.+++

Me: \"That was some shooting you did back there. Where did you learn to draw a bow like that?\"

Friend: \"Well when I was about 15 or so my father took me out hunting and....\"

You get the picture. As PS currently is, there aren\'t that many oppotunities to RP. Claiming to be a merchant, for example, would be much more effective if you could actually sell goods or own a shop.

I think the level of RPing will dramatically increase with CB. But let\'s try and stay out of the whole \'90% of my time is spent in a tavern socialising\' routine and really get out there and adventure.

P.S. Let\'s also try and stop confusing \"your\" with \"you\'re\". They mean different things. Seriously.

I agree with that fully karakth, you\'re right ;)
I know my spelling is poor, probably due to the fact I got low marks in school, har. The point of spelling will hopefully improve though.. Thanks you for the corrections too. I\'ll never get better if no-one points them out :)

You\'re right though in the fact that leveling is a big part of RP\'ing, leveling being \"gaining experience through adventuring.\" I am a big fan of this, doing so constantly simply for the fact of \"power leveling\" though I dissaprove of.

That would make PlaneShift a simple hack-n-slash game of which there are a enough of already.

[Cirque]

Originally posted by AendarCallenlasse
You are very wrong.  Or you have simply met other newcomers to the game.  The Planeshift community supports roleplying all-out.  That is one of PS\'s main goals...to have a game that will not require you to hack through endless swarms of monsters all day to get that 1337 piece of armor you\'ve had you\'re eye on.

Here are some of things planned for PS:
-Interactive government - The government will be player/GM/Dev run.
-Levelless/Classless system - People won\'t be able to define themselves as a lvl 30 Wizard, etc.
-Players will be able to create homes, shops, etc.

Trust me if you think people here are ignorant of roleplaying will soon find out you are very, very wrong.

Expect some flaming.

Hacking away for hours sounds like a perfect description of Savage Eden (also know has Biosfear, Laghaim etc). You could sit there for literally hours clicking mindlessly, and to make things worse the chat interface was a complete joke. Probably the most non-user friendly chat system ive come across. If you didnt die trying to exit the chat window, you were battling with the chat glitch that caused the chat to become invisible when the game minimised.

Anyway im just ragging on it now. My point or contribution is that PS is going to be far different to alot of MMORPG\'s that currently exist. I mean I can see things in the pre-alpha that already show evidence of this.

[Monketh]

Woah there buddy, you can\'t ban people for power-leveling.
Although annoying, this kind of behavior poses no direct threat.  However, the nasty actions that generally accompany pl\'ing (Hey... that doesn\'t sound half bad, \"plingin\'\" \"plinger\" ) can be bannable offenses.

There is no solid way to give levels due to rp\'ing.  How would you do this?

E-dat:

You answered your own question, pre-alpha!

Huh?  Please clarify...

[FlippySeal]

You answered your own question, pre-alpha!

[karakth]

No, power levellers will certainly pose no threat to anyone unless they speak improperly, therefore creating a disturbance in the cosmic RPing. For this, we\'ve got the handy ignore function.

And PLing (I like it, but should it be pling or plinging?) could also be a mighty RPing tool. PLing could even be done in an IC fashion. For example, \"My character has decided to become a hermit living in the wilderness of the Stone Labyrinths until he deems himself a worhty fighter.\" or \"As part of my character\'s wizardry training, he must spend at least one month living in the Stone Labyrinths.\"

Isn\'t that still powergaming? You can get away with anything as long as you use enough of the smoke and mirrors that is RP. Fortunately most plers are not such good RPers so as to think of stuff like that.

All video games and no reading make Mr. 1337 a bad RPer.

[Rothgar]

Originally posted by karakth
No, power levellers will certainly pose no threat to anyone unless they speak improperly, therefore creating a disturbance in the cosmic RPing. For this, we\'ve got the handy ignore function.

And PLing (I like it, but should it be pling or plinging?) could also be a mighty RPing tool. PLing could even be done in an IC fashion. For example, \"My character has decided to become a hermit living in the wilderness of the Stone Labyrinths until he deems himself a worhty fighter.\" or \"As part of my character\'s wizardry training, he must spend at least one month living in the Stone Labyrinths.\"

Isn\'t that still powergaming? You can get away with anything as long as you use enough of the smoke and mirrors that is RP. Fortunately most plers are not such good RPers so as to think of stuff like that.

All video games and no reading make Mr. 1337 a bad RPer.

I agree, I guess you can\'t really stop power levelers. I am just weary that these players will get high level and then find nothing better to do than PK. If they did as you suggest then I can see no wrong. Also if they needed to be higher level to play the role, etc.
Example:
A Mage needs to be higher level in order to control a persons mind to bend to their will...

That would be a legit reason to power level... sort of. I still think it would be a lot more fun if people slowly built up their characters at least for the beginning. Rather than have one person start power leveling to make his character a high level mage for an RP quest, as seeing one person at such high level while no-one else being close would be rather odd.

So yeah once again my view. If you power level with reason and will RP, I guess there is no problem. Usually these would be people along the evil alignment, power hungry fiends! heh.

[Karyuu]

PK shouldn\'t be a concern in Planeshift. As far as I know (and someone do correct me if I\'m off) there will only be pvp, and either in certain arenas, or in duels where both parties agree.

[karakth]

PvP will be highly controlled in that both parties have to agree. Also, a person would have the power to turn off all PvP on himself. That is why I said PLers would not be a problem unless they started interfering with RPing.

[Cirque]

Surely there would be an area where its just a free for all? I mean some people enjoy role playing as a tough guy, thug that goes around messing people up. I mean if you wander into that free for all area its your own fault if they fight you. Besides whos to say they will win, you may end up having an advantage of some sort.

[Rothgar]

Originally posted by Cirque
Surely there would be an area where its just a free for all? I mean some people enjoy role playing as a tough guy, thug that goes around messing people up. I mean if you wander into that free for all area its your own fault if they fight you. Besides whos to say they will win, you may end up having an advantage of some sort.

I agree with this also, the idea of playing the role of an evil character is a valid point. Role playing in an environment where everyone plays a lawful or neutral character usually leads to a un-exciting experience in the long run. NPC Evil chars can only do so much. It\'s always great fun when an role player plots against someone... PvP should be allowed, perhaps take a Diablo route on this one. Under a certain experience not able to PvP.

This is one of the places where you would need GM\'s is PvP. Even if they don\'t kill you, just wound minorly from a flying arrow (that could have been aimed with fatal intent, yet only wounds) would be a lot more exciting IMO.

Just a few ideas I think could spice it up.

[Draklar]

serious lack of logic here

1) korean powergamers won\'t be coming here, because they have their own games with better graphics and actually encourage to powerlevel.

2) two servers: for powegamers and roleplayers. Devs want Planeshift to encourage roleplaying, therefore making server for powergamers would be a total waste of it.

3) powerleveling is not roleplaying. It was discussed already. If you\'re going around killing stuff because you have some goal in it, it can be roleplay...
but powerleveling is mindless slashing monsters just to get more exp and better items. It has nothing to do with your char, nor the roleplaying.

[Rothgar]

Originally posted by Draklar
serious lack of logic here :P

1) korean powergamers won\'t be coming here, because they have their own games with better graphics and actually encourage to powerlevel.

2) two servers: for powegamers and roleplayers. Devs want Planeshift to encourage roleplaying, therefore making server for powergamers would be a total waste of it.

3) powerleveling is not roleplaying. It was discussed already. If you\'re going around killing stuff because you have some goal in it, it can be roleplay...
but powerleveling is mindless slashing monsters just to get more exp and better items. It has nothing to do with your char, nor the roleplaying.

1) Very true, most people will be drawn away from the graphics, but in due time they will improve... plus this game is free? They have nothing to lose but their dignity heh.

2) I agree with this, thats like making a bloody Open Battle Net server, mindless PvP Power levelers and hacking up the ying yang...

3) Except taking into the case of someone \"power leveling\" or \"mindless slashing monsters to gain experience\" as you stated for a role. Say you were going to kidnap, or severly wound someone in the role and need to be a higher level. I\'m sure some evil characters kill things to improve their skills while plotting against someone or something... In that case it could be advantageous, of course as long as \"everyone\" doesn\'t take that route :)