Secondary attack

[Quwaar]

I couldnt find any usefull things about this(it will probably be a short live thread, but here goes:

As in the post of Sashok20 in the \"invent a new ranged weapon\" thread:

1. When used, it cannot be a primary weapon. The process of putting it away and equipping a real weapon takes time..


Well, it takes time yes, but cant you hit the opponant with your hand when holding something. Like when you run out of arrows the bow could be used as a weapon.

Or you could hit someone with the hilt of your sword, for a blunt attack instead of melee.

Just a though, would it prove usefull in PS?

[Icefalcon]

If you have a sword, why would you ever use the hilt as a weapon...just wondering. But I think that with some weapons, this would be a good idea, such as a bow. Or if a spear breaks (if that could happen) you could use it as a quarterstaff of something like that.

[Cirque]

You mention the \"invent a new ranged weapon\" thread, why dont you tie this post in with it? Your sword example seemed a bit odd to me because I know id rather be using the blade. But with a sword you dont have a ranged attack which is why I suggested one in the thread you mentioned. I suggested 2 2nd weapons infact.

I can see the dilema with an archer though. They may have 1 arrow left and the enemy is close to them so they could use the last arrow as a melee weapon.

Melee= confused, frantic, noisy, general hand to hand combat.

[Quwaar]

I gave the example of the sowrd just so you dont have to kill a person, but to stun him/her or something. With a good blunt blow ont he head you have your hp down, but also you might knock him down, and make him inactive or something.

[TheRedMonk]

I really don\'t see whats so stupid about using the hilt. To answer your question Icefalcon (nice logo btw )...if some creatures are very resistant to slashing or piercing damage its probably better to use the hilt and do some crushing damage.

[ShadowFish]

but...the blade is heavier than the hilt....just because its sharp doesnt mean it can only slash and stab....

[Cirque]

Wouldnt that fall under a style of fighting or a skill rather than a secondary attack? Perhaps it might not.

I was always under the impression that a well made sword (perhaps it only applies to swords from certain cultures) is perfectly balanced at the base of the blade.



This enables the weapon to be swung quickly and change direction easily.

Where as an axe relies upon the weight of the head to cleave, thus making it alot less agile.

So what does an axe wielder do as a secondary attack?

Also theoretically the motion you would have to go through to use the hilt in a crushing attack would make you very vunerable to damage from the opponent. So it may be more useful if you had the element of surprise. Like hitting them on the back of the head for instance.

[Quwaar]

Yeah... A sword needs to be balanced that way, because.. well the reasons you said:)

And a blunt attack may be usefull for an assasin if he wants to stun his target, in other that kill him in one blow in the back.

Coz I am for the idea that you can kill someone in one blow. If you cut of a head, he\'s DEAD!

[Xordan]

So your carrying a large sword... and a monk get into close quarters with you... your not going to have much swinging room... much better to whack him with the hilt for a few second stun so you can withdraw...

[Cirque]

Who says im going to be carring a *large* sword...?

But yeah I get your point. As an alternative to your standard style of fighting in extreme circumstances. Personally id punch him or crack him with an elbow.

LOL why a \"monk\"?

[TheRedMonk]

CirqueLOL why a \"monk\"?

Cause Im a monk and Xordan knows hes gonna have to fight me when CB comes out. He probably just wants some advice on how to deal with me...

shadowfishbut...the blade is heavier than the hilt....just because its sharp doesnt mean it can only slash and stab....

Well imagine you are fighting a big monster with a shell covering his body. What do you think will be most effective against his shell? To strike at it with the flat side of your blade or to try to crack it open with your hilt. Just trying to say that Quwaars idea wasnt stupid...

[Wormtail_]

Striking with the hilt at a target not directly adjacent probably won\'t be that effective, as the hilt is not that long. And gripping a sword by the blade probably wouldn\'t be too effective, either. On the other hand, as Xordan said, if you are in very close combat and are wielding a sword... Well, you have to do something *very* quickly, and that is to strike with the hilt.

[Cirque]

I would still like to know what axe users use as an alternative. The handle of an axe isnt going to be useful like a swords. Unless it has like a spear head on the bottom of the handle, which in that case it would be a specially designed weapon I would imagine.

[TheRedMonk]

Id say it depends on what kind of axe it is...If the blade on one side and like a pike on the other side (you know what I mean?)...then one side could do some crushing/slashing damage while the other could do piercing...does that make any sense?

[Draklar]

I\'m hitting/poking people with hilt ingame quite often
for axe I\'d say
normal axe - throwing
double axe - slaming one\'s head with it

but you won\'t be able to make secondary attacks for all weapons, example: flail