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Altharion

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« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2004, 03:39:57 pm »
what happens when you heat up silicone?

thats the answer :D

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« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2004, 04:00:17 pm »
Kran are not rocks. As I remember, they are silicon based organisms, which is a purely theoretical of course.

Kran are waaay more complex than rocks. In fact, calling a Kran a rock is like calling us a puddle of water. It\'s somewhat true, but there\'s so much more.

We have to look at it from a chemical point of view. Carbon is in the same group as silicon, so they bond the same way. However, carbon dioxide is a gas, while silicon oxide is a solid (sand).

Would this work? Perhaps Kran eat sand and release oxygen, like photosynthesis. Hmm...

+++Update+++

Kran might be complex diatoms. In RL diatoms are simple single-celled organisms which use silicon compounds to form protective shells around themselves. However they are still carbon-based.

Kran might be something similar, in that they are carbon-based on the inside and form silicon-based natural armour around themselves. In this case they would have normal blood (though they might use some other substance rather than haemoglobin to transport oxygen around). The only problem is that this would make them carbon based, rather than silicon based.

The ideal conditions for a silicon-based organism to occur are high tempreatures and pressures. However these conditions would be hazardous to carbon-based organisms.
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« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2004, 04:50:00 pm »
Did some reading on silicon and it seems that it melts are very high temperatures, but if combined with other elements can be somewhat resistant to excessive heat.

Someone want to confirm this?

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« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2004, 04:52:28 pm »
I suppose so. Then again you need high tempreatures to form the complex molecules of life based on silicon.
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« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2004, 04:55:57 pm »
I just did some in depth searching and came up with this. It could still be wrong though but it looked legit.

Melting point: 1414 ?C, 2577 ?F

Boiling point: 2900 ?C, 5252 ?F

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« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2004, 05:00:46 pm »
Aye, but silicon-based doesn\'t mean they\'re made of pure silicon.

We\'re carbon based and we\'re not made of graphite or diammond (Although granted if you burn us we\'ll turn into graphite).

Sugar, wood, plastic, all those are carbon based. Doesn\'t mean they\'ve goit the properties of carbon.

One of the first things you\'re taught in science class is that when you join elements into compounds, the compound will have much different properties. An example of this is the heating of iron and sulphur. The result looks a bit like iron but it cannot be attracted by a magnet and has a (lower?) melting point.
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« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2004, 05:13:28 pm »
Thanks professor.

I understand that. Thats why I mentioned in an earlier post that silicon may react differently when combined with other elements. :)

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« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2004, 05:27:15 pm »
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Would this work? Perhaps Kran eat sand and release oxygen, like photosynthesis. Hmm...

well Kran do use crystals which is in the sand family.

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« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2004, 08:36:32 pm »
Hmm...Silicon crystalls huh? It would work. So...They wouldn\'t breathe, just exhale oxygen through their \'pores\'?
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« Reply #24 on: April 22, 2004, 08:42:42 pm »
Sorry I had to sleep so I missed all of this.

True some parts of fantasy MMORPG games are true. Like if you are attacked by fire you get burned etc. but if everything in a fantasy game was scientific we couldn\'t call it a fantasy game. It would be like what really happened in the medeival ages.

Oh and karakth because you were the one who started all theis logic. If you do want to be so \"logical\" I am sure we could agree in the medeival ages krans never existed. So karakth you have to let somethings go just because.
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« Reply #25 on: April 22, 2004, 10:02:58 pm »
Fine...But we have to keep a limit. Lava blood is...forgive the term, stupid.

Diatoms would explain a great deal and allow Kran to bleed when they\'re pierced in joints. Red blood.
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« Reply #26 on: April 22, 2004, 10:41:19 pm »
Yeah, a fantasy game shouldn\'t have a 100% real-life science, but some things are just so idiotic in any other way, that they have to be like real-life science.
The lava-blood is one such thing.


About the Krans-don\'t-breath thing. I don\'t feel like going and giving an exact quote, but check the Krans page in the Setting. It says that oxygen can get attached to silicon, and that\'s how they breath. But they don\'t actually breath like humans or other animals (lungs, etc).



Although it\'s probebly not going to happen, I kinda hoped to hear an official word from the god of Krans, Talad about this... He created Krans, so he gotta know something about them! :P
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« Reply #27 on: April 23, 2004, 01:01:33 am »
I still thing it would be a good idea to have a kran get a skyrocketing defence before they die like maybe a 15% def increase and a 15% agility decrease when their hp gets to 10% or under.
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« Reply #28 on: April 23, 2004, 01:40:34 am »
Why?
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« Reply #29 on: April 23, 2004, 07:27:26 am »
When humans breathe, we inhale O2 (a molocule comprised of 2 oxygen atoms) along with various other gasses like Nitrogen, that have no real effect on us. However, when we breathe out we emit CO2. However, we don\'t have big lumps of carbon in our lungs, so where does it come from? Ourselves. When the red blood cells exchange the oxygen, they take the spent O2, now bonded to a Carbon atom given by one of our cells, and release it as CO2.

This is how we can suffocate ourselves if we have a plastic bag over our head. Eventually, we fill the bag with our spent oxgen. Ironically, there could very well be a large portion of oxygen left in the bag, as lungs are a very inneficent way of breathing (only 10% of what we exhale or some # close to there is CO2.)

It could very well be the same with Kran, where if you encased them in a bag they would eventually suffocate due to the lack of oxygen. However, instead of Carbon, they put Silicon in the place, thus releasing SiO2... or sand. However, this is very slow, as:
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Silicon still supports oxygen linkages, so Kran breathe much more slowly than other races, enabling them to happily breathe underwater


They don\'t have lungs and they dont need them; they breathe through their skin as if it were a massive gill. They\'re basically eroding away as time passes, however slowly. To stop this from happening, they would have to digest silicon to replace whatever they lost due to their \"breathing.\" They would then, obviously, eat things with silicon and various other elements in them. It is also noted that their \"kitchens\" are like chemical labs, which means that whatever they eat could certainly be highly-dangerous to other species, if not in the end result, then in the creation of the food.

They would most likely eat by grinding the \"food\" into sand-sized particles, then let them slide down to their \"stomach.\" As far as we\'re concerned, that\'s where the digestive tract stops. After the \"food\" has been digested by the kran\'s stomach acids (perhaps strong enough to break chemical bonds) it would then most likely be absorbed through the stomach walls and then, under capillary action, simply \"seep\" to the kran\'s skin, where it replaces what parts were lost.

As far as the movement, it could very well be that the kran DO have muscles, but not in a biological sense. Perhaps they have a material used as a muscle that expands and contracts 100 or even 1000 times more then a normal peice of metal does when heated, which would allow them to eat their food and move their tough skin. For a brain... Well, think of a computer\'s CPU! However, this \"computer\" brain would not operate on C++, but instead use chemical markers and various other elements and molocules of matter for memory and action dictation; but always with silicon as the main component.

As for reproduction, they may simply \"seed\" like a flower does. A small area on their body grows to resemble a simple kran, and the new kran simply drops off and begins to feast on whatever kran food there is nearby. Perhaps even dropping the \"seed\" kran into a pile of sand and chemicals used to develope their body. Haha. A good kran spa could be considered a pool of quicksand with various rare and color-tinted crystals growing nearby. :D


Well... there goes 20 minutes of my life. Oh well. :rolleyes:

[for further referance, think of a Kran\'s arm as a tree trunk. In the center is the main \"vein\" of the body part, that contains all the nutrients and materials needed for growth. Everything else is \"dead\" like a tree\'s bark, even though the bark of the tree still serves the purpose of protecting the vein of the limb. As the kran grows, the limb heals, albiet very slowly. If i were to compare Kran to anything, it\'d be a tree.

As a side note - Any sort of catalyst or enzyme that speeds the chemical reaction between silicon and oxygen would litterally turn Kran into dust. 8o Thus, if a Kran were to meet a feeble, old [insert race here] and the old person were to throw a container of this catalyst at the Kran, it\'d be instant death.]
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