Tolerance lost while waiting for CB?

[XpYtZ]

In the defense of the forums I never had any problems (with the exception of the occasional disagreement) here. Why? Because I am analytical by nature. I tend to read all the documentation and scroll through everything before I jump up and say ?Oh, oh, look at me I have a problem/suggestion/story?. I was welcomed with open arms by, well, everyone that I met/talked to. I never had problems in game or out.
The problem with my perspective is that some people are not that way. I understand that. If everyone was like me than there would be no novice writers, programmers or artists because we would all hide in some back room somewhere until we new for certain we had it all figured out. But on the flip side I am relatively new and I get really annoyed with the repetitive questions and their frequency. I mean how many times do the moderators, players and programmers have to answer questions that are stickyed?
It?s annoying that so many computer users have no idea how to use their own operating system. Come on!
Lastly look how many people there are that pass through every day that we meet answer a bunch of questions for and never see again. It gets tiring after a while and again I?ve only been here a few months! Imagine how it is for the hard-core fans that have been here since the planning stages. Games like books are not written or coded in hours or days but in years and tens of years. I?ve been writing just the background for a game/book for seven years. Patience with the developers is paramount, otherwise -really and sadly- you are not worthy of playing. I look at it like Christmas or Boxing Day, if it aint worth the wait it aint worth havin?

[rumblebelly]

ahh this old dwarf be havin nothin but good time\'s here and in the hydlaa plaza.
i have but ran afoul of one person in here that deserved a good tongue lashin but as for the rest o the fine  citizens that i have met they be good folk just a little tired at time\'s o the same querie\'s.
and that be my two cent\'s  

[Altharion]

i have alot of tolerance for games and i could wait for CB atleast another year before my tolerance is tested.

[Cirque]

WOW that was more than I expect acraig, thank you very much for that update.

I need not repeat what my opinion is on the situation with people asking question consistantly. Just look at my locked \"Unwarranted Dismissal...\" thread.

Once again thankyou for that info acraig.

[hook]

first at Winterheaven:
I hope you see that this community is as bad as you might have thought at the moment of writing that post.
oh, and when everything else fails, just imagine how much time and effort you\'d spend beeing angry at every idiot on this world and just be happy for all the nice people you meet here :]

but seriously, i have to say that PlaneShift has one of the kindest communities i know ...alongside Gentoo and Elysiun

[John_Thazer]

I for one is ready to wait as long as it takes...but it gets sorta...frustrating now...oh well will hold...

And acraig thanks for a bit of info of whats going on...

[acraig]

Originally posted by John_Thazer
I for one is ready to wait as long as it takes...but it gets sorta...frustrating now...oh well will hold...

And acraig thanks for a bit of info of whats going on...

Think how fustrating it is for us.  We see the pieces there but trying to work out the final steps is a lot of work.  

For example, my widget drawing code could be made a lot faster by drawing the stuff to a texture and only having to update that texture when the window has changed instead of redrawing the entire window and all its children each frame.  Now this sounds like a good idea but I have troubles in CrystalSpace because the system to draw on a texture doesn\'t work quite right ( at least for me ).   I don\'t have the knowledge of CS internal drawing code to look at this myself so I have to try to talk to people on the CS team and hope they can fix it.  So now I have to wait/work on something else until that is fixed because I don\'t want to spend a lot of work on redoing my drawing code if it won\'t work  .  

This is the reason why patches are hard to do as well. Since one change leads to another leads to another and before you know it everything has changed!

Not to babble on here but this is the typical day for all of us.  We work on something, find out that something else needs changing/fixing and so on.  This is the reason why we don\'t want to give out release times because *everything* is in development from the engine to the graphics tools we are using.  If we were using a finished engine and well defined tools then we could probably have a better idea ( but that\'s no fun ).

[karakth]

Still there are a bunch of stuff you can do while waiting for CB.

Undoubtedly one of the funnest is keeping up with guild politics in the guild forums.

Then there\'s always discussing the planeshift settings from a scientific point of view, but I can assure you that you will not get popular this way.

Another thing you could do is wander about the wishlist forums, and post some great ideas there.

If you\'re really bored you could go look for crystalls and consider it as an investment for CB.

Others enjoy talking about the silliest things on the chatroom, although you will have to join the #planeshift channel on irc.freenode.net server, because this is where the coolest people hang out to chat idlely.

Of course, if you really have a lot of time on your hands you could download Dev C++ and find a good tutorial on programming.

Or if you\'re any good with your hands (And I mean this in the artistic way ) you could try and make some models and submit them to Laanx Wheel of Wishes.

I hope this helps the idler awaiting CB.

[Icefalcon]

plus if you are in a guild, there are a bunch of ways to contribute to your guild as well...artwork, stories, ideas etc.

[Moogie]

Nice to hear a bit about how things are going in development lately, Acraig. It sounds like you still have that 80% to go yet, though.

@ Winterheaven:
Hmm... don\'t remember any closed \'LAG\' thread... although, I see so many of them these days, I guess I wouldn\'t. As for the comment you picked on by Saphire, he\'s absolutely correct. He knew this information because, like everything else, it\'s an answer that has been posted time and time and time again to people who just don\'t read.

I can\'t respond with any different to your third point than anyone else has already here, except to say that the devs will not be giving any pre-warning to the release of CB. No release date = no disappointed fans. It also means they can concentrate on coding the game, rather than pandering to the community\'s impatience and ending up delivering a buggy and unfinished version. Think of it as a test of faith- the PS Team will see who it\'s real fans are: those who are still around when it finally arrives. Those who give up and leave are doing the rest of us a favour.

[Winterheaven]

Argh, i hoped i could this thread rest in peace after the (only) ignorant posts of Aendar and Xalthar. But when a moderator does not care about its words, i can not hold my tongue.

Originally posted by Mogura

Hmm... don\'t remember any closed \'LAG\' thread...

Sorry, Mogura, but as a member with the status MODERATOR it is not only your privilege to close threads or bann posters. It is also a kind of responsibility to bring threads on topic and TO HELP PEOPLE IN DEEP WATERS. Not every new member is an knowledged internet-user, not every noob was not seeking the forum because of ignorance, but only the first time he is on a forum.

It is a very sad statement, if you do not know the closed lag thread from 2 days before. He is the only one closed, it is closed by you and Cirque wrote additional words about this. Is there a more acrimonious feeling for any poster than this statement?

Originally posted by Mogura

Those who give up and leave are doing the rest of us a favour.

WRONG, very wrong, in my eyes. Is it not your task to invite people, to bring them the idea of roleplaying, to  funcition as a link between the dev team, the community and the game itself?

br, Winterheaven.

p.s. Thanks to acraig for the open words. Such an overview will motivate and shows the people your hard work. BTW, i never directly asked for this information nor was it the reason for the thread opening.

[Moogie]

Well sorry. I have a bad memory for little details. But the thread was answered and flamed adequately both ways and had to be closed. I\'m not sure if Cirque took my post as a flame to him, because it was quite the opposite. But that\'s his problem, not mine.

Is it not your task to invite people, to bring them the idea of roleplaying, to funcition as a link between the dev team, the community and the game itself?

Not as far as I\'ve been told, no.


(Edit: If this is going to become a two-sided conversation between me and you, I suggest your next reply comes as a PM. I\'ll answer you as much as you like there. )

[Icefalcon]

Moogie was just doing her job...Moderating. The thread developed into a flame war and the question was already answered, so she closed it. Now whats wrong with that?

[Xordan]

Plenty, u delete the flames... and if people still persist in flaming, then u give them a warning... u don\'t just lock it and forget about it... That just tells people that they can get away with ripping apart newbies.

[tygerwilde]

I have been boarding for a LOT of years, and I have never seen that technique actually work. When a mod deletes a post rather than closing a thread, most posters will take it personally,often taking it to the extreme and flaming the mod instead(subsequently getting themselves banned) closing the thread indicates that the moderator will not tolerate any form of flaming, but does not show favoritism to any particular poster. closing threads is often a moderators simplest and most effective tool