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Altharion

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True evil?
« on: April 24, 2004, 05:57:46 pm »
i just posted it here, think its better then hydlaa.

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I think you may be confusing True Evil with chotic evil. Chaotic Evil is about the destruction of all, about hatred and madness the Chaotic Evil character (Like Kefka of Final Fantasy 6 when approaching the end) shall not rest until he has slain all.
True Evil (like Sauron), hungers to impose its will on all, using whatever means they can (deceit, betrayal, etc.) to make sure they rule the world and that all knee before them.
Lawful Evil (Like Bahamut Lagoon\'s villain) wishes to subdue good and neutral, using lawful ways like forming an Empire to impose their will on others, they prefer defeating the enemy in battle lawfully rather then using chaotic methods, that way they can prove their supremacy instead of winning \"dirtly\" and that is why they sometimes are suported by higher races like elves, men and dwarves (unlike True Evil which uses corrupted races like goblins, orcs, trolls and such).
At least that\'s how I see it.

PS: There are different \"intensities\" for each of those alignments.



sauron is a bad example go with morgoth.

another example then kefka is shunji which becomes crazy and does evil \"shit\".

lawful evil is kinda like al capone.

but true evil isnt morgoth either since he wanted to make a world of his own, same with sauron and that \'s not evil.

following what squall said in the end of disc one:

i dont think there is true evil only different view\'s.


or people afraid of an larger forum leaking any thruth that they see fit.

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« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2004, 06:19:15 pm »
*Shoots Thread*

Listen to Sangwa.  Wanting to own the whole world is evil.

*Shoots Thread again just to be sure*
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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2004, 06:37:06 pm »
Another one 8o

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« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2004, 06:39:28 pm »
I gave Sauron example because he wanted to own the world (morgoth also wanted to own it, to corrupt the world and make it his).  And Sauron is trully evil ^^.
True Evil exists, if you think it doesn\'t then it\'s not my fault you follow the septicism philosophy.
Al Capone? He was against law, but I don\'t really know the story so I\'m not gonna make any comments about that^^.
D&D alignment  theories are my favorite.

Like I said there are different intensities, you can be a Chaotic Evil char and not want to ruin the whole world, it just means you disrespect laws and people\'s feelings following what you believe.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2004, 06:44:07 pm by Sangwa »
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« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2004, 06:55:40 pm »
*points at \"The Hydlaa Plazaa\"* -_-
since we\'re into ethics-morals set....
lawful-evil = dominator
neutral-evil = outlaw
chaotic-evil = destroyer

therefore all Morgoth, Sauron and Al Capone were lawful-evil...

now chaotic-evil is about everything that\'s evil...
destruction, mayhem, betrayal etc...
so you could call that true-evil
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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2004, 07:36:33 pm »
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D&D alignment theories are my favorite.


yeah i think i would like that best in PS.

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sorry my fault.

maybe it would be better to find a character that is true evil for an example?

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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2004, 07:36:49 pm »
Oh boy, another \"What does \'insert alignment here\' mean.\"  Can\'t we all just accept the fact that there is no definet line between the different shades of good or evil. Its like trying to generalize all the different shades of a color under one name, or every temperature as either hot or cold. There is no black and white, but an endless scale of grey, with a range of shades beyond count. I like the way Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic handled alignment, a scale of how good or bad you are instead of one definet classification.

Just my little input on the subject. Moogie... I think it would be a good idea to close this topic before it gets out of hand.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2004, 08:06:23 pm by Dameon »

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« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2004, 07:50:16 pm »
lol, no RPG forum is complete without at least 1 alignment thread... or is that 200 million??

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« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2004, 08:12:59 pm »
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lol, no RPG forum is complete without at least 1 alignment thread... or is that 200 million??

I say we delete all the alignment threads and tempban everyone who starts them.

Every other thread has shown that there is no clear definition of an alignment, as 9 alignments simply can\'t cover everything. Get over it.

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« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2004, 01:01:03 pm »
Yeah whatever Davis.
Well I don\'t think Chaotic Evil is True Evil because True Evil is Evil without being Chaotic or Lawful. Sauron used deceit... I don\'t think that\'s lawful and morgoth also did it but both of them wanted to rule...
Bah it doesn\'t matter, devs must chose an alignment set and implement it and we should use it as our guideline. So I think we\'ll have to wait \'till they chose the best alignment set for PS ^^
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« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2004, 01:03:23 pm »
there won\'t be alignments in Planeshift. But that doesn\'t matter. Everyone will be non-aligned anyway.... \"go and bash monsters\" or something ;)
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« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2004, 01:28:48 pm »
NOPE

Choatic evil is like pirtes they do loot and plunder and do it when they feel like it it

lawful evil is like ninjas they got a set of codes to obey  by but still do stupid things like throwing shrikans instead of useing guns like pirtes

netural evil is like lawyers LOL .. na take for example a consumer watch dog group they dont do nutting but when they actually do something its bad :D
its nearly the same for netural good but you got to think church watch dog group


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« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2004, 01:47:06 pm »
god this guy is weird -_-

anyway, would be nice if before starting/joining such discussions people would actually... I don\'t know... read a bit about it?

actually you could answer that question by reading this or other alignment descriptions...

edit: just noticed something:
\"Lawful evil is sometimes called diabolical, because devils are the epitome of lawful evil.\"
\"Lawful evil is the most dangerous alignment because it represents methodical, intentional, and frequently successful evil.\" :D
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« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2004, 02:11:27 pm »
Yes but that doesn\'t go agaisnt Neutral Evil being True Evil and it points out that Sauron is Neutral Evil actually I was folloing something like that when I posted all this alignment stuff ^^.
Bah who cares there are more important business than this.

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« Last Edit: April 25, 2004, 02:13:11 pm by Sangwa »
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« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2004, 02:19:10 pm »
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god this guy is weird -_-

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