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Harwen

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Automatic Patching...
« on: April 26, 2004, 11:17:38 pm »
Okay, this is what I just can\'t fathom....

The dev\'s have not yet released CB, because...they keep adding things to it or what? I have looked at this page alot, and I have seen things being changed on a little by little basis, that\'s great, amazing and I commend you for it.

But, what I find difficult to understand, is the game playable?  ?(

If any of you have seen/played this game: Freeworld
Have marveled at the innovation that is apparently impossible for this game: Putting out an unfinished game, and patching it automatically when someone makes a change to the game.   :)

I don\'t understand how hard this would be, because, after talking with their devs, it isn\'t all too hard to implement.

Put CB out already, I understand that combat, the skeletal models and certain other issues have been resolved? Is this enough to make a playable game, yes or no?   :(

If so, why not make an auto-patching feature that will add this change when a player starts up the client?  Shut down the server after a patch is completed, implement patch, start up server again, and everyone\'s patched? I mean, with the progress I see in the sourceforge pages, there would be small patches daily, maybe twice in a day. But the point is, there\'s a playable game, something to put out on the Warcry site that would look nice too \"Patches frequently add new features/streamline the game.\"  ?(

If not, then why not concentrate on just that?  Making perhaps half or a quarter of the projected world, add the new Hydlaa, a few monsters, a real quest or two, maybe some more npc\'s trees, and who knows what? ?(

 I mean, it might deviate from what the team is up to, but at least it would relieve the \'pressure\' from the fans, and maybe lighten up the frustration the more, how should I say? Blunt, members experience when dealing with newbie questions.

Either way, such an auto-patching system will do much to alieviate the animosity surrounding such things as \"release dates\" and \"not holding your breath\". That\'s just silly, I mean what\'s the point?   ?(

Another thing. Look at the type of replies to posts we get, go back a couple hundred pages and see what nicer people we once were. Maybe it is just that some people are natrual jerks, most who are haven\'t been around longer than a month and are already feeling the burn of a newbie question.  Heck, I myself, instead of flaming the nearest n00b, try to ask half-practical questions about development and a viable solution to problems.  :rolleyes:

Besides, that, I\'d really like to hear from Vengence on why this system is not implemented for the game. Well, maybe it can be, maybe its too much trouble. All I know its practical, soo, what\'s the verdict?   ?(

 

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« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2004, 11:27:23 pm »
Have you tried the CVS?

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« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2004, 11:33:47 pm »
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Have you tried the CVS?
well Davis if you had actually read Harwen\'s post you would have noticed that he included a link to the cvs.  Which by the way is where he gets his info, as do I.

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« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2004, 11:35:21 pm »
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Have you tried the CVS?


Davis, I specifically said in the post that I did. Please, read it thorughly next time.  ;)  

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The dev\'s have not yet released CB, because...they keep adding things to it or what? I have looked at this page alot, and I have seen things being changed on a little by little basis, that\'s great, amazing and I commend you for it.


 :rolleyes:  :P
 

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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2004, 11:45:13 pm »
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Davis, I specifically said in the post that I did. Please, read it thorughly next time.  ;)  

It\'s a long post... :P

As far as I can tell, most games check for patches on startup. If they don\'t, they should. This feature is likely going to be implememnted eventually, now is as good a time as any to start.
« Last Edit: April 26, 2004, 11:46:25 pm by Davis »

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« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2004, 11:53:51 pm »
Hehe, that\'s okay, but it was in the first few lines of the post, common courtesy, or whatever I think it was.   :P

Either way, I feel that it should have been done long ago, I understand that a major change like models, skeletal animations, and adding more to the world requires more than a simple auto patch, but once that had been implemented, couldn\'t we have had Hydlaa back? even with one monster?  ?(
 

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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2004, 12:01:24 am »
Well, this is really the way to go in the future. I am hoping we can do many more smaller patches for CB as we go.  But again we have changed a lot in the whole design so is hard to do incremental patches.  I think a lot of the patches for CB will be content based so adding in new mobs/items/etc.  The good thing is that many patches can be done server side and you don\'t need to update your client.
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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2004, 12:12:52 am »
Well, that\'s nice to hear that it will be implemented in the future, but that\'s logical I mean, if there wasnt any client patching, then that means a new 300+ mb download every couple of changes to the client.

But what I was asking is why not, release the game as-is, close the few holes left, and patch the rest? I don\'t mean patching MB up to CB, but releaseing CB then patching when someone makes an addition.  

Again, cool for the future, but it would be more useful to start in the here and now. *
 



 
*( I would go on a rant about how the here and now is now the there and then, but that\'s too funny right now for my concern on getting some straight answers. )
 

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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2004, 12:17:44 am »
naaah.

i like auto patching througth things like battlenet or steam.

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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2004, 12:19:50 am »
Trust me, the devs know what they\'re doing. It\'s best for them to finish up CB to a point where they\'re happy, then release. A little bird told me that a patch is being planned for soon after the CB release. :) So it\'s all been thought of.
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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2004, 12:20:10 am »
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naaah.

i like auto patching througth things like battlenet or steam.


Err, I think you missed my point...as have most of you.
 

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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2004, 12:22:57 am »
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Trust me, the devs know what they\'re doing. It\'s best for them to finish up CB to a point where they\'re happy, then release. A little bird told me that a patch is being planned for soon after the CB release. :) So it\'s all been thought of.


Err, again, not my point....I trust the devs are doing stuff...I keep daily tabs on the CVS and try my best to understand what most of it means.  But what I\'m trying to get across is a solution to the \"don\'t hold your breath\" attitude towards the release of the next client..... my own fault if I thought I was going to get anywhere minus a foot short of an answer.  :(

There\'s a difference between being happy with it, and realizing that the game will never be finished, so holding it back until infinity is a solution?

If it were me programming/developing such a game, I would never be happy with it, because I would always find something else I could squeeze in before I decided it was time to tell everyone to stop.

*edit* flashed by your post Xordan, I apologize didn\'t read all of it, changed reply accordingly.
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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2004, 12:27:43 am »
One big challenge is that an auto-patching technique must have a solid base to be successful. Adding something like a patch that implements half the functionality of fighting will render the game unusable.  

CB is a major structural change to PS, not a large series of small patches.

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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2004, 12:39:53 am »
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naaah.

i like auto patching througth things like battlenet or steam.


Err, I think you missed my point...as have most of you.


i havent.

i just went abit of topic.

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« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2004, 12:46:42 am »
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Trust me, the devs know what they\'re doing. It\'s best for them to finish up CB to a point where they\'re happy, then release.or soon after the CB release. :) So it\'s all been thought of.

As Auran said, we\'re going to be a lot less interested when our hair is grey :P