Join my fruit guild

[Altharion]

alot of flamy replies and answers have gotten in my lap lately   .

Sangwa my posts was not an act to help the community, i thought that the fruit thing was not needed.

mr. Orange many others did\'nt seem like it was so much fun as the rest of the community did, seems like i became that head person.

TheGeneral i definetly don\'t think banning mogura will help the community. i for one definetly support her action.

(Vengeance) Anth|Altharionn: Do the forums have an obligation to 100% compliance with your standard of what is funny?

i hope not but i do hope that the forums have some standard of how low it will go. (not saying that the fruit thing is low, because i dont want to argue this if it migth come to that)

[Kintall]

well I think breaking up the fould moodieness of the forumies was all well and needed, and hey the next time tension needs breaking: I say we all get naked and break out the Margaritas
whos with me?

fine I\'l do it alone then, not like its the first time...

so I guess we can all say that this whole thing wasnt entirely...

...

FRUITLESS!!


GWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

[Kada-El]

Originally posted by Vengeance
It\'s just a fricken forum, people! :-)

Are you sure you?re the real Venge?

Sorry to say this, but I am shocked that you would publicly criticize in any way, the decision of a mod that you appointed, that is not a good move and you risk hurting what you have worked so hard to set up here. In effect, such moves and drastic changes in your own policies here undermine the decisions and the authority of other moderators, making a difficult job even harder.
You have trusted people with the power to moderate these forums for a long time now, and they have done a very good job of it, often under very difficult circumstances. Perhaps if you want to change something at least give them the courtesy of communicating it (in private), so that you can all appear to have a united front, at least in the eyes of the community.

Just my humble opinion

*prepares for the onslaught*

[Davis]

Originally posted by Kada-El
Sorry to say this, but I am shocked that you would publicly criticize in any way, the decision of a mod that you appointed, that is not a good move and you risk hurting what you have worked so hard to set up here. In effect, such moves and drastic changes in your own policies here undermine the decisions and the authority of other moderators, making a difficult job even harder.
You have trusted people with the power to moderate these forums for a long time now, and they have done a very good job of it, often under very difficult circumstances. Perhaps if you want to change something at least give them the courtesy of communicating it (in private), so that you can all appear to have a united front, at least in the eyes of the community.

Just my humble opinion

*prepares for the onslaught*

*onslaughts*

So Moogie deleted something Venge decided to keep. Venge isn\'t critisizing Moogie. He\'s just saying he had a different opinion. So maybe he didn\'t agree 100%, there\'s no suggestion here that Moogie is somehow not doing her job right. IMO Moogie has the full support of the other mods unless she does something completely ridiculous, am I right?

No, I\'m not missing the point. I\'m missing the point of the point, but not the point itself.

[elscouta]

Unless Mogura and Veangence share the same brain or Mogura is only a bouncer mod for Vengeance, i don\'t see how they can agree on everything ...

I really think people that don\'t find a thread fun simply should avoid to look at it. Seriously, the fruit war doesn\'t take that much room in the Guild forum and doesn\'t spam other guild posts. Don\'t care about these thread if you aren\'t interested.

[Moogie]

Originally posted by elscouta
Unless Mogura and Veangence share the same brain or Mogura is only a bouncer mod for Vengeance, i don\'t see how they can agree on everything ...

Well, I wouldn\'t say \'bouncer\' mod, but it\'s not like I make up my own rules. I follow the rules that Venge and Talad give to me, and things like this go wrong when decisions change and I\'m not informed.

I didn\'t expect Venge to suddenly change his mind about being strict on spam here, and I wasn\'t told. Thus I\'m the one who suffers as a result, as usual.

[Altharion]

no one is really blaming you.

[Draklar]

that\'s some great skill in avoiding the point of one\'s post 8o

let me point that out:

• If Venge wanted those threads deleted, he would do it himself, if you checked the threads, you had to notice Venge was posting there as well.
• The Lemon Empire thread was stating that it isn\'t a joke.
• The same thread stated that Aelya wants to make website for it.

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[dfryer]

pickle, eh?  Perhaps the two of you should start a guild  :rolleyes:   It\'s true that the Fruit Wars were spamalicious, and completely understandable that someone could miss the validity of the Lemons guild... and now their threads remain.  Has much harm been done?

[TheGeneral]

I think the true point remains, IF people are having fun, and it\'s an actual topic, like a story, or some sort of play war, LEAVE IT BE. You can always delet after everyone is done. And those that spam should not be preaching about spaming themselfs. If having 15+ posts a FREAKING DAY, and having the highest post count in 5 months is not spamming, then I DUN KNOW WTF spamming is.
Frankly, I think this community has gone to hell in a big basket labeled \"Forum rules and correctness-ness.\" It has banned and kicked out all the people that made it half decent, and traded the rest for loud mouth whatever-nots. And I dun mean just the old people, I enjoyed the company of many newcomers, but even those post here rarely anymore. Maybe they all got lifes now, or maybe they just hate us, either way, TO HELL IN A BASKET.
I still stand united on the issue of random public bannings.

[Fiere]

It is a sure way to keep the forums small. When I used to post quite often I saw a few newbies driven away be sheer animosity.

Its pretty depressing really, is it really so hard to be civil? I think TheGeneral said it best and I hope Davis and I are only the first of many to make note of it.

I don\'t intend to say anymore on the subject, I\'d prefer to stay out of the stream of discontent. Meanwhile I hope people are able to regain their composure, and maintain it.

[Moogie]

Originally posted by Davis
Also, they ignore a very revolutionary moderation technique: Tempbans.

Actually, Whemyfield was given a temp ban and then put on \"probation\", a second chance which he (quite stupidly) wasted.

Kiern is also on a temp ban untill he apologises. Public or private, it doesn\'t matter. The point is, you don\'t go round insulting mods on the boards and expect us to be happy about it... (t\'is logical, when you think about it...)

So no, I don\'t think this technique has been ignored amongst the relatively small number of people that have ever been banned from this forum. And of that number, very little seem to truely want or care about coming back. So afaics there\'s no problem, is there?

Btw. I didn\'t see Venge\'s posts on the fruit thingy thread. I looked at two threads and saw them filled with spam, so I classified them all as spam and didn\'t give it a second thought. If I had been aware that discussions about fruit was now acceptable, I wouldn\'t have done it. But now I do know, so, no permanent harm done. I\'m gonna talk to Talad and get myself removed from moderating the Guilds area, unless Venge has any objections.

PM me if you do.

[Davis]

As for the deletion of the fruit threads, as I\'ve said, I think it was an honest mistake and no further discussion is neccessary. As for removing your modership, I don\'t neccessarily support that, but it\'s your decision, not mine. I\'m sure you gave it the thought it was due.

[Kada-El]

This is not about Kiern, besides it was Venge who banned Kiern ? Moogie can do nothing to directly change that even if she wanted to. In fact she has made several steps to influence the return of Kiern, not the other way round.

I don?t think that such open animosity and criticism is helping the matter or the community. Sometimes I may not agree with moderation decisions, but Mogura has consistently moderated these forums well according to the rules given to her. Even if Venge posts in a thread, if it?s spam according to those rules, then it would get deleted. It was not her mistake at all deleting those threads, she was doing her job in the same way her bosses have always wanted. If there is a change in that policy then the moderators should know about it first.
Moderators were appointed to the forums after much whining by the community that not enough was being done, and the place was getting out of hand, and now that control has been imposed you want rid of it (or replace it with someone you think would do the job more to your liking). This is always going to be a problem with communities such as this: the group is important to us, so if there is a lack of moderation we cry out for it and if moderators actively control the structure here then we call it censorship.

I don?t know about that many other communities, but the ones I have seen would not allow such open abuse towards a moderator. I myself have indeed been banned from communities ? not for abuse, but for simply challenging moderators on the way things are run. I don?t believe such harsh treatment would ever happen here, but some of the posts here would have resulted in a ban straight away, no questions asked.

Venge once pointed me in the direction of a very interesting article, that highlights some community issues very well.

http://www.shirky.com/writings/group_enemy.html

?Nothing causes a group to galvanize like an external enemy. So even if someone isn\'t really your enemy, identifying them as an enemy can cause a pleasant sense of group cohesion. And groups often gravitate towards members who are the most paranoid and make them leaders, because those are the people who are best at identifying external enemies.?

[Altharion]

i would like to see even more mod controlled boards.

agree with kada as always.