Public Hangings

[mbahleda]

I think it would be neat to have public hangings. A person could be hung as a severe punishment for a crime.

  I can see it now... Guards would bring the criminal to a town center where he/she would be put on display. People could be loud as they would gather and throw rotting fruit at the criminal, along with beating him/her occasionally. When the villain is hung, the people cheer in a very festive way.

[Fextina]

Public hanging? What\'s next? burn witches on a stick?

I\'m sure we all enjoy medieval settings, but let\'s _not_ bring all the habits of the dark ages back!

[Draklar]

yes! cheers for the dark ages! Actually let\'s get here all that hard-to-live part of medieval times and finally turn PS into dark fantasy

hmm... the hanging idea... I wonder how many people would accuse dev team of causing someone to commit suicide by hanging himself

[Shariom]

Perhaps any character who PK\'s over a certain number of players and is caught could be hanged (character deleted, permanantly). After all, it wouldn\'t be very realistic if the guards caught someone who had killed hundreds of players and just let him go with a fine or after an hour game time.

[Xanaroth]

No, i agree.

But i just tought up onto something i found in Might and Magic games:

For every person you slay you will be recorded off. If you have killed enough people or so (there should be someking of formulla behind this) you would be fined in the bank office. As long as you dont pay the fine everything you will buy would become more expensive, and everything you sell would become less worth. It would start with 0.0001% extra charge, but if you become a hard pk\'er it could get up to like 50% more charge or more.

about the hanging, it would be a good penalty for the die-hard pk\'ers that get to high fines (like if their fine becomes like 100K) they could be arrested and then hung.
Tough hanging should not mean losing you character. That would just s*ck. But let it more be like this:
If caught you would be hung. This would reduce your fine by 75% (still leaving open a fine and thus, like mentioned above, still have a fines when buying/selling) And then hanging would result as a normal death, with all penalties etc as in normal death.

[Ionas]

I agree with Xanaroth, deleting a character would become pretty annoying, however it might instead result in a severe drop in experience/skills.
And maybe we could hang people that go against the game rules and afterwards tempban them. So hanging is the equivalent of banning.
But how do we make the character \'cooperate\' to be hanged. If we can find a way there could be a new sort of job, the executioner. We even might have (public) trials with people being the judge, jury and lawyer.

[Shariom]

Just NPC their movement... wouldnt be too hard to do.

[Ionas]

Thats a possible way to do it. Okay lets assume the person is hanged, what then, do we leave him hanging and decomposing for everyone to see? Maybe in a location dedicated for that person. Like the english used to do, hang a person in public than remove him to a different hanging place where other bodies hang as well.

And what about other punishments, like the cage thing where you starve to death.

[SaintNuclear]

These kinds of punishments can\'t really happen...

Let\'s say someone did something and should now be punished in being inside some hanging-cage-to-starve-people-thingy.
You force his movements and throw him into the cage, and raise it.

Ok, now what? Will the player just sit there, on his chair, watching his character slowly starving to death? No. The player will simply close PS, come back later after, or make another character.
How will you solve that?
Make it so he can\'t close PS, not even kill the process, not let him close the comp, every time he\'ll try reaching the cables to pull the power out he\'ll get zapped, and have \"PWNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!\" written all over his screen, until he served his punishment?

[Zeraph]

I think we should just have a jail were we can keep Chars in, maybe jailbreaks, but getting caught will be a large money fine/more jail time, like we will probably have a organized crime groups & or perffetional criminals because there are lots of stealthy stats for that?

> With the exception of breaking game rule like repeated vulgar chat & misuse can lead to banning <

Other then that sort of thing it will be all part of the game, maybe have a gladiator arena where prisoners compete against each other? & For perffetional thief?s, I think that there should only be like a 20 min. jail time so that it doesn?t make the game boring until we get more to do in there? soldiers, besides guarding things would have the job patrolling the grounds for criminals & to locking them up etc? certain penalties should apply for abuse of soldier?s power, I am against hanging because usually didn?t the chop the head off? This isn?t something I would like to see in-game?

[Ionas]

SaintNuclear, the cage thing is of course only used when someone is banned, so that person has no control left over the character.
It was also an example of possible penalties, like Zeraph said, the head was sometimes also chopped off. Perhaps we could also apply the penalty in which you have to wear something embaressing or get marked so everyone knows your a thief/killer.

Zeraph, chopping the head was primarily used for the noblemen. It was considered a more noble way of execution. With hanging the idea was that your body would slowly decay, this was more common for peasants and common people. But it might be used also in PS.
Keeping someone in jail would be no fun for the reason SaintNuclear made about the cage. Someone will log off bored. But having people fight each other instead would be fun. And we could have a system like morrowind has, where you can pay a fine or lose experience and skills.

[Zeraph]

I think we should eliminate pk\'ing from the game (this will eliminate some problems with), with the exception of competitions/ arenas >were you don?t loose exp/skill from dieing< & also maybe have a P vs. P system were both players agree on battling & they can set weather there should be a loss/gain of stats as an option, if they don?t agree then there will be no battle with the exception of guild wars & or race Wars, in that case they may both be counted as enemies (like monsters) & players can choose to be a part of it or not (to avoid killing of people who are not wanting to participate)...

I agree that we shouldn\'t have a long prison system, maybe an option to pay money/skills & or fight in the arenas & winner gets out of jail. & non prisoners can participate in this too, no jail time required.  Maybe like a Bribe the Guard sort of thing?

Edit: & Players who are temporarily banned will go to jail with no bail, & no arena fights for a certain time period & maybe chat disabled?

[SaintNuclear]

Originally posted by Zeraph
I think we should eliminate pk\'ing from the game (this will eliminate some problems with), with the exception of competitions/ arenas
[...]also maybe have a P vs. P system were both players agree on battling

Read these before you start talking about PvP \\ PK:
http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=3885&boardid=21&styleid=3&sid=69e698ea9dbecde11ae0cdb11b6cfebf
http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=8065&boardid=21&styleid=3&sid=69e698ea9dbecde11ae0cdb11b6cfebf
And when you\'re done, if you got something to post about it, go Here.



Punishment should have nothing to do with PvPing, or PKing, because you can\'t do them without an agreement from both sides anyways, wich means that no one was harmed.


Paying for doing wrong things isn\'t a solution.
Rich people will be able to commit as many crimes as they want, while poor people will probebly just find another place to be in instead of paying (like moving to another town).


Want some kind of IC punishment for big crimes? How about exile?
There will be a few towns, outposts, guild towns, so it shouldn\'t be a problem to exile someone from a certain town. He\'ll just take his stuff and move somewhere else.
It\'s not the same as banning, or temp banning, because he can still play, but I\'m talking about an IC punishment about IC crimes. Banning and temp banning are OOC punishments about OOC crimes.

If someone gets exiled from all towns, he can still play PS and have alot of fun. He\'ll wander around, kill beasts and stuff, trade what he hunt for useful stuff from merchants.
After some time he might be forgotten in the towns that exiled him, and come back.

[tygerwilde]

Am I missing something here???

last I had heard, pvp and pk were hardly going to be an issue in PS. they were being restricted to guild wars and such... if that has changed I can see why this would be an issue, but otherwise, I don\'t know why you\'re arguing the point of how pk WILL be dealt with.

btw, this should really be discussed in the pk forum

Perhaps any character who PK\'s over a certain number of players and is caught could be hanged

I already suggested this... almost a year ago I think... including permadeath for being caught as a pker. after all, what worse punishment is there than losing all the work you\'ve put into a character than to have that character deleted??? however, I think it would be a matter of getting caught, basically gaurds would have to fight the character to catch him, doing subdual damage until he passes out, then he could be marched to the gallows or whatever.

[tygerwilde]

hehe, bastard saintnuclear beat me to it