Klyros!

[Delphinus]

I hope it comes out soon, because it\'ll be my main character\'s race.

Also, it would be cool if there was a character type that based mainly on flying.

[Quwaar]

whats the use of this thread?

Sorry for flaming but... euhm.. no point.

[Delphinus]

I\'m just wondering when it will come out, cz I\'ve been waiting for a while. I\'m also pointing out the idea of a race that is based mainly on flying. I know Klyros will be able to fly a little bit, but I\'m talking about a bird-type race. You got your cat-type and lizard-type, now what about a bird-type race?

[Quwaar]

ow like that... well Klyros are the bird tipe. Your cat and lizard type they dont really have a great, or uber-great thing of that species, so the bird doesnt have everything either Not full flight, like lizard dont regrow/regenerate life, or cats have 9 lives or a greater balance.

bout the release.. noone knows, do they? To bad though, I really want it too, just keep on waiting.

[Altharion]

you could wait to play with your main character and play with another  

*dorbian ;(  *

[Karyuu]

No full-bodied humanoid will ever have full flight. The anatomy and bone structure won\'t allow it :P

[Altharion]

isnt this already explained on the site?

[Xanaroth]

well, not exactly. more in terms

Fly for short time

Besides of that, most races aren\'t yet implemented, and the ones that are dont have both male and female yet. The few that are implemented haven\'t got all the skills etc implemented, so it is possible it might not even be CB because of the many things needed to be set in for that. You will just have to wait and see, and maby wait some more

[Altharion]

maybe they can fly like that Raziel character does on LoK: soul reaver.

[Xordan]

Klyros won\'t be in CB. It will probably be in a patch, or in the next big release. We\'ve been told this already by Devs.

[Seytra]

Originally posted by Karyuu
No full-bodied humanoid will ever have full flight. The anatomy and bone structure won\'t allow it

This may apply for all-natural beings. However, in a world of magic, this may well have to be reconsidered as magic can easily lend full flight ability to a rock.

Anyway, if Klyros would be granted full flight, the other races would need to be granted specialities, too. The Enkidukai would need to have excessive climbing, stealth and balance skills (they already have nightvision), while the other races\' advantages would need to be increased a lot to make up for this (percieved extraordinary) advantage as well.
This would make a Klyros relatively useless in anything but scouting, compared to the other races who would then excel in magic, fighting (Klyros are pretty weak already) and crafting. Therefore, flight would be overestimated in terms of usefulness, thereby putting a Klyros at distinct disadvantage.

Therefore, much thought would have to go into such a decision and I\'m not sure if the outcome would be worth the effort, for both developers and community.

However, flight would be an entirely new concept AFAIK, so this might be a reason to give it a try (would help PS being unique), but for starters, limited flight would be a good way to test the impatc of flight without risking too much of an imbalance in either direction.
Don\'t get me wrong: I surely believe that full flight would be amazingly cool, but I\'d hate it if this would be so much of an advantage that playing anything but Klyros would be an option only for hardliners, while I\'d also hate it if Klyros would become useless in anything but flying itself.

[Karyuu]

Originally posted by Seytra
This may apply for all-natural beings. However, in a world of magic, this may well have to be reconsidered as magic can easily lend full flight ability to a rock. ;)

Clearly, but it won\'t be a natural ability, and if it will rely on magic then it should sap mana and at times be unusable. Full-flight with the help of magic isn\'t like \"natural\" climbing or nightvision abilities of an Enkidukai, and this makes me wonder why Klyros would have to be the only ones to master that magic flight if it really has nothing to do with their wings. By the same logic, wouldn\'t such a spell be available to all races? Thus basically magic-enhanced flight is a big mess :P

[Seytra]

Originally posted by Karyuu

Originally posted by Seytra
This may apply for all-natural beings. However, in a world of magic, this may well have to be reconsidered as magic can easily lend full flight ability to a rock.

Clearly, but it won\'t be a natural ability, and if it will rely on magic then it should sap mana and at times be unusable. Full-flight with the help of magic isn\'t like \"natural\" climbing or nightvision abilities of an Enkidukai, and this makes me wonder why Klyros would have to be the only ones to master that magic flight if it really has nothing to do with their wings. By the same logic, wouldn\'t such a spell be available to all races? Thus basically magic-enhanced flight is a big mess

Yes, there wouldn\'t be a (justifiable) restriction if it were a spell (unless the spell itself was focused on improving wing performance, which could then be adapted to other body parts, (i.e. legs = jumping for Enkis) by others).
I was, however, thinking along the lines of some intuitive, inherent magical ability.

OTOH, how about this: the description states that the wings \"appear weak and non-functional\". So my emphasis now is on \"weak\", because the description already states \"fly for short time\", thereby making clear that the wings just _appear_ not to work, but _do_ work.
Therefore, the limitation on flight would IMO be justified by the _effort_ it takes to fly, therefore the average Klyros will be able to fly only for some limited time, just like the average human will be able to lift only limited weight.

This would then open an option in the \"body development\" section so that one could maybe explicitly train flight, thereby increasing flight duration. This would also open the possibility of flying shows / tournaments or even aerial combat (even if only for show). This way the player would have the option to decide whether flight is worth sacrificing other options or not. Usually, a merchant or warrior or mage would not wish to, but maybe an artist would.

[Karyuu]

I like that, it makes a lot more sense :) Thanks for clarifying!

[Seytra]

You\'re welcome.

I\'m going to submit this to the rules department (by way of the SourceForge feature request pages) unless there are concerns about this way of dealing with this feature, so speak up now (or be quiet forever *g*).