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Seytra

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« Reply #30 on: June 15, 2004, 11:27:39 pm »
Hmm, the cannons on the ships _did_ use gunpowder or sth. similar in WC. But it also is my feeling that hand-held guns, as opposed to cannons, do not _feel_ right, despite their existance being justifiable. However, an average handheld gun (that could be justifiable) would have roughly the same power as a crossbow but fire _way_ slower than a bow and also slower than a crossbow and be less accurate than either crossbow or bow. However, a quickloader _might_ be justified, i.e. one in which bullet, powder and ignition go in seperate ways but at the same time, using three magazines. This would be a high-tech top-notch gun, however, and be very very hard to come by. I wouldn\'t like shells, though. Furthermore, any gun would be rather unreliable considering environmental conditions and manufacturing tech.

I would second the \"no electrical devices\" bill (with special exceptions for Frankensteins\' or other room / building sized devices).

Summarising it is more the transportability that makes one not like these techie things in a fantasy setting, probably because we all are used to this being the most obvious and well-known difference between modern day and medieval times.
While magic _could_ (and probably did) speed up this process, we are setting PS in a medieval world, thereby implying that, even magic, the sciences have not yet developed that far. This is entirely plausible as the population is quite limited (fewer brains -> fewer inventors -> fewer progress) and the world is still relatively young.
Therefore, ther is no contradiction in the PS world being young but already having medieval-tech.
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« Reply #31 on: June 16, 2004, 03:17:16 am »
Seytra

My turn to say sorry.  I was not criticizing.  I was applauding your patience.  I hate to see posts that are inaccurate, so ever bit helps.

Since this is fantasy I would like to see science and magic both be a big part of the world.  Maybe even complement each other.  How about adding copper to special shields so that electric magic attacks will dissipate faster.

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« Reply #32 on: June 16, 2004, 09:36:15 am »
Samoth I know what your trying to say but copper would not be my choice of metal for a shield to resist electricity, I would prefer something slightly less conductive.

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« Reply #33 on: June 16, 2004, 11:34:25 pm »
@ Samoth: In this case, thanks! However, I can\'t take credit for these particular swords vs. katana posts (as stated above, I didn\'t post them). Anyway.

@ Zorium: I believe Samoth intended to short out the electricity created by the magic, not isolate it from the body. Depending on the way the electricity is delivered to the target, either approach could work or not work.

You could also use the lightning rod approach to conduct the electricity into the ground without affecting you. For this you would use some nonconductive material on the handle-side of the shield, and a conductive material like copper on the other side. This side would have a flexible,  conducting lead touching the ground, through which the impacting lightning can bypass you.

An improved shiled could use silver fr the conductor as it is more conductive than copper, but more expensive, which is why it isn\'t used for cabling. You could also have the surfaces galvanised with gold so they will not oxidise, so the contact conductivity will not degrade. The insulation could be made of wood (beware of wet wood), but stone or glass / ceramic bolts would be better, allowing for an air gap between metal and wood so even wet wood isn\'t bad anymore. The wood could also be soaked with oil to prevent it from getting wet.

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« Reply #34 on: June 17, 2004, 06:14:30 am »
Yes that shield may indeed work (wasn\'t really thinking of a practical solution but thinking more of the copper and electricty don\'t mix angle :P) though I\'m not going to be the first to attempt such a shield IRL :D

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« Reply #35 on: June 21, 2004, 08:48:31 am »
my two cents...   dont yell at me or nothing i just spent the last hour reading the increadably long posts ~.~ besides this is the Wish list part of the forums, this is what the fella would like to see in the game, he isnt saying its the be all end all of the game itself.

my oppinion: i think there should be a bit of this arguable tecnolagy.  instead of making everything magic this and magic that ann oo look a pile of +5 longswords!! wow how dull,  magic stuff should be rare and hard to come by.  making magic things cant be easy after all.  so to compensate for the loss of magic why not have these methods of making your sword better untill you can get a magic one.  i think magic should out weigh the techno part of the game by ALOT but still it would be nice to be able to get stronger armor that is still lightweight w/o having to hunt down some PC/NPC to enchant the bloody thing.

as far as enchanting goes..  i think there should be some real time compensation.  for example ((im going to get me head chewed off for some reason i know it)) there should be a trade in,  you pay the mage and give him your armor.  then you have to actualy wait for the armor to be upgraded.  with a specified amount of time that is previously told to you by the mage.  while your armor is in the shop you get a timer that you can look at to see how much time is left before you can go back an pick up that armor. there can be a hide and display for the timer as well to keep it from getting in the way of game play.

thats my 2 ... hmm longer post than i intened....  my 10 cents.. =)

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« Reply #36 on: June 21, 2004, 08:52:56 am »
ok i just realized there is another page to this forum....

**looks at his watch**
2:50 AM..  for give me lol its late... early and i have been doing the whole forum thing for a long time today.   just put that last post right under the last one on page one


i will get caught up tomarrow..  err  later today... bah im going to bed!
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« Reply #37 on: June 21, 2004, 07:03:14 pm »
Why not have a similar system to the 1 that Sotojinsai suggested which allows people to temporarily buff their swords.
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« Reply #38 on: June 23, 2004, 06:10:03 am »
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