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« Reply #60 on: July 23, 2004, 09:46:34 pm »
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thats weird........ iv seen them on some paper my friend had that showed how they work and pics of them being used (when was the geniva con. sighned it mayy have been from before it)

EDIT:http://history.searchbeat.com/vietnamwar/1966action.gif

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EDIT EDIT:i guess it was before the conv and y did i think it was the US?

by the way how do i type the name so the pic will show here (pls use one of those urls as a ex) TY^^


FESFES, use PM\'s for things like that, the Quote function still works for PM\'s.

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sry bout that i would have but i thought my pms werent working...............long story

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« Reply #61 on: July 23, 2004, 10:16:18 pm »
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So would I be able to use O\'Brien or would it turn it to O\'brien?


You wouldnt be able to use that name at all. Only characters allowed are A-Z and a-z. Everything else results in a bad name. We don\'t want La\'ra\'ru\'ra\'rum Le\'rum\'de\'rum\'ro\'ba\'do\'ba walking around either, now would we? :)

As for the typos. Well, if you have the guy in your buddy list it wont be difficult for you to send a message to him, even though he has some weird name, and if you dont know him at all, why would you need to message him in the first place? Sure, if you\'re discussing prices on the market and you want to do it in private, but I\'m pretty sure there will be some easy way of writing a tell to someone you can see. And the reply button has already been implemented, so it\'ll make it easier to respond to difficult tells. :)
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« Reply #62 on: July 24, 2004, 05:46:26 am »
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You wouldnt be able to use that name at all. Only characters allowed are A-Z and a-z. Everything else results in a bad name. We don\'t want La\'ra\'ru\'ra\'rum Le\'rum\'de\'rum\'ro\'ba\'do\'ba walking around either, now would we? :)


Oh. I\'m a little disappointed.  I was hoping for the use of the aposterphe.  I guess I can see what you mean though.
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« Reply #63 on: July 25, 2004, 06:48:01 pm »
I?m back now with opinion anyway?
I was sort of hoping that we would have the ability to have spaces in names, but since we will have Surnames/Last-Names I wouldn?t really have a problem with this.. there only sort of name that would need spaces in like Native-American-like names like: Flying Cloud & Red Hunting Wolf.. Stuff like that? but that sort of thing, however creative, can get long & hard to type repetitively?

There was a game were you could create names with & in them but is would come out like this: &Ki&ng = KIng
That would be nice...

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« Reply #64 on: July 26, 2004, 04:14:56 am »
Going to be difficult to do so...

In EverQuest name generator, I came upon the name  Aienal when I was making a DarkElf. Of course I\'m sure it\'s a legit DarkElf name but it was provided to me by the company itself. Aye I took the name, hell the generator gave me a name I couldn\'t pass up. Once I reached the ability to get a SurName I called on the GM. He asked what it was going to be and I told him N\'Trudiur, thus I was known as Aeinal N\'Trudiur. They had forced other players to change their names and there were plenty of players complaining about mine...once their dirty little minds twisted it. But the insane part was when a GM showed up and told the complainer that my name was legit after I explained to the GM of how I obtained it and he then notified the player that he needed to stop harrassing me. Funny part is Trudiur is the name of an NPC I taken as my RPing family member in the DarkElf communitee...

I\'m not saying that this game will provide the names and players in their own twisted minds forge their own definition of what it means....(yeah) You just simpily can\'t prevent it from happening, well only the obvious of course. It really all depends on each individuals degree of self righteous censorship. Unfortunatly there will be those that are outcasted due to this level of censorship whether it was intentional or not and rest assured will most likely be griefers/PKers....criminals. Funny how this can happen even in a virtual world, all from the masses forming together in a ideal censorship singularity, regardless of who the victim may be. WW2 anyone ?

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« Reply #65 on: July 26, 2004, 05:23:39 am »
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Your character is supposed to have a history, a personal story. Please explain to me how a character\'s mother named him or her \'killah,\" and how that fits into Planeshift\'s world. The fact is, it doesn\'t. There\'s no way it ever will :)

This is how this game works. If you don\'t like it, you are -always- free to go try something else. But your ideas truly have no foundation, I\'m sorry to say.


Names tend to reflect that person, no different from \"Dances with Wolves\" or should I say Dumb Bear.
\"Hello my friend here is Dumb Bear\" does that belong in a Western Online game ? no, the powers that be won\'t allow it due to the mass population degree in censorship. If I had a business, like say bagging chicken poop to sell to the consumer. You can bet that when I proven my heritage ties to a royal family in Englands past, My Herald would reflect what I do currently. Aye chicken poop. If I roleplayed a dung farmer who\'s father was a Berry farmer, rest assured I be Billy Dung son of Berry. How about a herb farmer / wizard in the art\'s of ice .... Vanilla Ice ?

They had said the same thing when it came to such words like Asx or \" I asxed him dat question\" bad english ? no it\'s becoming part of the language as like everything else .... language evolves due to the masses as our english differs from the UK\'s even though our heritage ties to them. Yes their are people out there who will name their daughter 7 of 9 just becase the couple are StarTrek fans. As the computer world becomes more part of our lives as our own flesh and blood, it too has evolved and is now part of the new Dictionary. This will eventually include the nicks people come up with and eventually be carried from generation to generation as their names. Probably include numbers and such as well. If not already, I wouldn\'t be surprised. But thats the thing about the evolution of language, it\'s ever evolving, only ones that are having the hardest time adapting are the ones who don\'t want to let go of the past...control. Some names in PS just don\'t belong but your lack of imagination is reinforcing your IronFist of control, loosen up the censorship, some names are justified even if you care not to see it. Killah is a proper name, your definition of such does not justify your self righteous censorship. In your own mind it may be distinct as Killer or KillHer but all I see is Killah. But your stuborness has already, perhaps, crafted a griefer/PKer, anti socialist and the game has not even been released yet. I see your communitee circle has already begun the outcasting by impling they leave, nice support and diplomatic approach. But hey, if they don\'t fit in, boot them out eh ? Thought it belonged to everyone, guess it\'s only to those who comly to the demand of your imagination.

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« Reply #66 on: July 26, 2004, 05:48:58 am »
Congratulations ESB, you just defined a Sci-Fi game in a very excellent way, however keep in mind this is not a Sci-Fi setting game. It is a game with a medieval fantasy setting, and names should be, and will be, affected by this. So, whether you like it or not, there will be no Killahs, no 7 of 9 and no strange Anal Intruder names. :)

And yes, it can be checked if the generator can actually make such a name simply by checking what kinds of things it puts together. Anywho, just keep in mind this is in the past, not the future, so however the english language evolves, it stays in the future and we here just keep using the good old understandable words, such as \"Hello\", \"Good day\" and \"How are you\".
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« Reply #67 on: July 26, 2004, 08:01:19 am »
yes at all costs we have to protect using valid \"medieval\" RPG names. But I\'m sure people are going to fine a way around it. For example:

You can\'t have: CloudStrife678

But the computer might allow: Cloud Strife
since it has no numbers or any strange symbols.

Is Cloud Strife a valid RPG name? Well, that is a good argument and people will no question...beg to differeand I wouldn\'t want to start there.

So I do believe there should people (actual humans) giving notices out to people that say \"Your Planeshift name has been approved, your account may be used,\" or something like that. And if doesn\'t approve than it can\'t be used.
My name is NOT pronounced, \"Kway-per,\" it\'s pronounced \"Kye-per.\"

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« Reply #68 on: July 26, 2004, 11:10:53 am »
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Congratulations ESB, you just defined a Sci-Fi game in a very excellent way, however keep in mind this is not a Sci-Fi setting game. It is a game with a medieval fantasy setting, and names should be, and will be, affected by this. So, whether you like it or not, there will be no Killahs, no 7 of 9 and no strange Anal Intruder names. :)

And yes, it can be checked if the generator can actually make such a name simply by checking what kinds of things it puts together. Anywho, just keep in mind this is in the past, not the future, so however the english language evolves, it stays in the future and we here just keep using the good old understandable words, such as \"Hello\", \"Good day\" and \"How are you\".


You missed the entire point, here\'s an example from the old school days. Pencil and paper rpg games, before the computers and Gansta talk. But if I do remember correctly alot of GM\'s running their games out of FireBase in Calif. were talking like Ogre\'s or whatever, but with today\'s standard it would be considered Gansta talk or broken english. Society has just accepted the style of talk and has associated it with that stereo type. In this case Gansta talk or what ever these kids call it nowadays. It evolved and thus robbing an era of what was once used to communicate with creatures via GM\'s of the olden day\'s. Ummm yuba, dis killah foo is da legut nyme *scratch\'s head* me beso hung gey fo sum he he meatz. oh wait....that\'s gansta talk nowadays, not ogre. How ever you cut it, your perception of what is standard is in fact not.

Elves for instance tend to name each other for what they have done in some great quest, profession or project. Similar to what american indians do and yet will their names be censored as well if one so chooses to name that character as what the translation should be for those who do not RPG? Any true RPGer would infact use a working Elven Language which do exsist on the net along with translators to convert from English to Elvish, etc. But I guess it would require the approval stamp from the FCC....But than again it\'s not a true language and just a bunch of jiberish to anyone that\'s not familiar with it. Looks like the RPGers for the Elves will be dealing with true silly names as they translate all the noobs/gansta\'s name\'s. Than again this is all about extreame censorship so why not add a filtering system for the Elven Language as well....all of them for each type of Elf race. Oh don\'t forget RL languages as well including all the lil things from movies included....all I can say that this is gunthar poo-doo.

Let me put it this way, it\'s like a hispanic person expressing hatered toward african american\'s. But what the Hispanic person doesn\'t relize is that he/she is contributing to the very foundation of racisim. That AND it\'s like trying to explain all of this to a kkk member at the same time....

It\'s an extreame translation of it all, but it coincides with this extreame censorship. A common ground needs to be found, it is after all considered a communitee project. Yet the communitee is so quick to outcast those who do not see it their way... will this censorship evolve to include the idea\'s of others that don\'t fit their standards, graphics, quests, etc. Will the religeous mass\'s that contribute to this project voice their concerns of including \"fantasy\" god\'s over their own. Will it even matter to them even though they are part of the communitee, perhaps they can go somewhere else as well. Since it is etched in stone on how the game will be according to the ... communitee...

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« Reply #69 on: July 26, 2004, 01:41:56 pm »
Off the subject sorta, I was just informed that our president is currently in the works on a form of censorship....which is going to include games like PS, EQ, SWG or what have you. Your all on the censorship bandwagon and whether you relize it or not, is affecting the games you all so desire. How ever you define your contribution to the very FOUNDATION of censorship is infact a contribution to the destruction of your own freedom. PS will be outlawed in time as it simulates violence along with all other games of this nature. Good bye Howard Stern, PS, EQ, etc. The Government feels that we the \"adults only\" who are allowed to play these Online games as set by the companies who fashioned the policies, are unable to make the decision of whether they are to violent or not to childeren (who are not allowed to play according to policy set by the companies). Handing over your freedom for someone else to make the decision for you is paying off...

I remember a time when the mass flagged RPG games as people who were suicidal devil worshiper\'s....

I remember a time when we had the freedom of choice and censorship was a thing during the 50\'s....

I remember a time when Online Games rocked, but are outlawed nowadays....

I remember a time when I could remember a time but now we lost that freedom to remember that time....

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« Reply #70 on: July 26, 2004, 04:30:14 pm »
...you realize that censorship of somebodies name isn\'t the end of the world right? ;)

And it is decided we are using names that we deem acceptable, so there is little point in posting here :)
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« Reply #71 on: July 26, 2004, 05:21:09 pm »
I think it is detrimental to restrict names that much because it will drive many people away from playing, say they make a char & then have to wait 24Hours for approval, they would probably say ?forget it!? & go find another RPG to play? Of course there probably is going to be them that will wait too? But it will restrict the flow of new people?

I say that all we need is a profanity filter when names are created? maybe some way of checking to see if names are Non-Profanity after the person is playing like a user reporting system?.

I think that ?Killa? is a good name for a PS char because keep in mind, it could mean ?Great Warrior? in Klyros or something? but I do not want to see numbers in names though?

Also maybe a mother was going to have 9 babies @ once, she could have named one of he babies ?sevenofnine? just to keep track, who knows? it could have happened in medieval time however unlikely...

If someone wants to name themselves ?Quick Bunny? I don?t care, it doesn?t have profanity & that could imply that the Chars mother wanted him to be a runner when he grew up?

I know that PS is in another world with other cultures, so it stands to reason that, even though there are humans, that they would have only influenced the world & culture to some extent, all the other races would have melded there way of naming children & mixed it will the language of the humans, there would probably be many words integrated into there language over time, I strongly doubt that social evolution happed exactly the way it has on earth?

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« Reply #72 on: July 26, 2004, 08:32:53 pm »
i was realy trying not to post here because i fear that i will be only able to spout profanity at the idiocy of some people in here.. All i will say is NO STUPID NAMES PERIOD

Killah is a stupid name to have regardless If i saw some one named killah in real life i would feel sorry for the poor bastard i mean his parents would have to be complete morons or ass holes

Plane shift is a free game that means you have no recourse to what is expected by the devs if THEY want names to be sensible THEY WILL BE. I personaly would think it retarded to see a Lemur named somthing rediculoas like Sk8terD4D3!! if i saw that i would scream profanity at the idiot for using such a stupid name not only is it unorginal its also against the theme of plane shift and against roleplaying in general. If the devs want somthing they will get it they are making this for free you can ask for change if they dont want too tough crap. It\'s there work either play it or leave im tired of the stupidity of some people i think i will stop now before i burst a vain in my head

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« Reply #73 on: July 26, 2004, 08:58:45 pm »
I\'m not here to argue with anyone, but i would like the option not to use a second name since I am Ajdaha and that is all I am.
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« Reply #74 on: July 26, 2004, 09:37:43 pm »
ACK.

While it _indeed_ may be sensible to think about names like \"Quick Bunny\" as opposed to the western-traditional names (most of which also have meanings, btw.), PS still needs to define whether or not this is cultural heritage of one or more of the races of PS. If, for whatever strange reason, the devs decide that Krans talk 1337, then their names will be 1337killah and the like. If the dwarven races call themselves like \"Dances with Wolves\", then so it will be. However, unless such an unconventional background has been explicitely set by the rule department, general, i.e. conventional \"fantasy\" (as in \"genre\", not as in \"what one can make up\" ;) ) names are to be used exclusively.

As for spelling out numbers (like Henry the third), I\'d still like roman numbers but it\'s not a must. Still, these things would need approval IMO, because the numbers must stay low (no Henry the threehundredfourth).

@ ajdaha: Surnames are in already, btw.

@ the apostrophs: I like them, but one (or at most two) per name should be enough. Still, they are only acceptable if the race\'s background has them (like drow names: Drizzt Do\'Urden).

On the same subject: other characters that are contained in other languages (like umlauts) are a bad thing, because they are prone to be displayed improperly and also can\'t be typed in by most ppl., thus reducing the RP opportunities and general convenience. Furthermore, by being mostly unknown, their pronounciation isn\'t clear to everybody, which is bad because if you\'d _hear_ it, you\'d make up other combinations for it in your mind, but you _read_ it so you can\'t do that. So unless explicitely approved by the race descriptions, they should not be allowed, either.

@ ESB: I might agree to one or even several of your points until you write this:
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Let me put it this way, it\'s like a hispanic person expressing hatered toward african american\'s. But what the Hispanic person doesn\'t relize is that he/she is contributing to the very foundation of racisim. That AND it\'s like trying to explain all of this to a kkk member at the same time....


You are stating that by censoring names we are racists, and similar to the kkk? Thank you, you argue along the lines of FESFES & Co, I wonder if the connection goes deeper...

So here I post, in my positions of Head Name-Nazi, Supreme Censor Of Names and High Inquisitor:
the Decree Of Names:

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Names must

- not be obscene
- not be taken from any even slightly popular character
- not contain arabian numbers or any other characters not contained in the english alphabet unless explicitely allowed by the cultural background of the character\'s (regardless of player\'s) race
- fit the PS setting
- not be composed of english words unless explicitely allowed by the cultural background of the character\'s (regardless of player\'s) race
- not be composed to mimic english words if spoken
- constructed to be pronouncible unless explicitely allowed by the cultural background of the character\'s (regardless of player\'s) race
\"

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In my position as forum member I post:

Of course freedom is important, _but_ still it needs to be limited. This is because if one persons freedoms are too broad they inevitably reduce the freedom of somebody else. In this case, by granting the freedom of inappropriate names you are taking away the freedom of creating a consistent RP environment. Of course, you need to balance, but as PS is supposed to be a RPG as opposed to a forum, the freedom of consistent RP is more important than the freedom of naming.
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