Author Topic: game content in CB for the ppl who reach high lvl?  (Read 10514 times)

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« Reply #45 on: August 08, 2004, 01:45:56 pm »
woot, flame fest!!!

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« Reply #46 on: August 08, 2004, 03:42:02 pm »
The thing as i view it is that leveling in overrated in context of any game where you compete against actual human beings and not calculating unflexible computer AI. You can fell humans without neccessary lifting a single finger or uttering a single syllable of a spell. That is what these games so interesting. The outcomes are not exactly algebra in action. So i have no problems having lvl 1000 berserkers in the game. The difference will be that when i fight them i\'ll make sure that no blows are involved;). There is more than one way of skinning a cat.

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« Reply #47 on: August 08, 2004, 04:52:33 pm »
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compared to asian powerlvl MMOGs


Easy on the racial prejudices there :P


Its not really a prejudice, its a fact. Asian game \"developers\" have the most number of boring, trite, pointless, shallow, chauvanist, money-grubbing mmorpg\'s out there than any other section of the world I can think of. I have alot of links...alot....if you think this is still prejudice just pm me, and I\'ll send you them, just play one and tell me if its not total crap. :)

By no means do I mean to prejudice anyone at all. Its like my saying \"American fast foods are fattening\" or \"Mopeds rock\"...fact of life. :]

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« Reply #48 on: August 08, 2004, 11:40:39 pm »
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Harwen, that is prejudice, not a fact. It\'s your opinion that Asian mmorpgs are boring, trite, pointless, shallow, chauvanist, and money-grubbing. And I seriously doubt you have played every single mmorpg in the world, so your accusations aren\'t legitimate. Although I must agree Lineage II is an absolute failure, that doesn\'t nessacarily mean that all Asian developers are the same. :rolleyes:

Race has nothing to do with a design of a game. Of course there are minor things that certain races tend to do more, for example, there are more Asian games that have anime content than probably most other games.(Simply because it is more popular and based in those countries, it has nothing to do with the race itself).

And you\'re proof that it isn\'t prejudice isn\'t exactly intelligent either. Most if not all fast food is considered unhealthy, regardless of race. And I can\'t flame you about the Moped thing because I have no idea what the hell that is  8)

Anyway, back to the topic. I don\'t think we should even be discussing high level content because Planeshift won\'t reach that point for quite a while...

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« Reply #49 on: August 09, 2004, 07:50:18 am »
This will be long due to quotes, please forgive me..

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there is the powerplaying roleplayer who gets power through words, and has an extreme way of making their sentences hurt or help, but who are either weak or simply middle class on the battle field, and who try hard, but can\'t really catch up with the best of the drone-lvlers.

Just wondering Grono, could you provide an example of this type? I\'m really confused by that description...

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yet eventually they all end up in a bowl labelled \"n00b\"

As for this, in my experience, it is those very \'powerlevellers\' that brand others with \"n00b\", this is because they feel superior, and why people who call others that amuse me, they think they are better for spending more time online. I found this abounds in a certain game I won\'t mention.

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Its not really a prejudice, its a fact. Asian game \"developers\" have the most number of boring, trite, pointless, shallow, chauvanist, money-grubbing mmorpg\'s out there than any other section of the world I can think of.

Lastly Harwen... I hate to say it, but you\'re wrong. It is a prejudice, just like what I said earlier in this forum. (and apologised for...) Zyphon is right. It\'s an opinion not a fact, judging by the sheer number of players, many people must like this sort of game. I myself find games like MU and PristonTale boring, but I respect that others like them.

Forgive the length of this post please.
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« Reply #50 on: August 09, 2004, 12:10:48 pm »
No, it isn\'t prejudice at all. It\'s fact, all asian made mmorpgs are boring, trite, pointless, shallow, chauvanist, and money-grubbing. I\'ve played most of them, and they keep me entertained a few hours while I powerlevel, then I realise that there is no point to the game other than to fight, fight, level up, buy new gear, fight some more, etc. etc. Show me an asian made mmorpg in which combat isn\'t the main point of the game, which has lots of quests which you can complete without fighting, crafting, and a large RP backround, then I\'ll say that you\'re correct. :)
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« Reply #51 on: August 09, 2004, 12:30:41 pm »
Its true nearly all asian \"mmorpgs\" are boring after 3 hours or so when you realize the only way you will keep up with any one is if you play 9+ hours a day klling monsters over and over and over and over till your head explodes from the monotny

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« Reply #52 on: August 09, 2004, 02:16:56 pm »
Sorry Xordan, still bias prejudice. Not that we really care. Most of us agree with you. Fact is, we are RPers, we like to RP, the people who play most asian MMOG\'s like to kill things, a lot of things, again and again and again and again... (sense a pattern?)

You have to realise that it does appeal to some people, and that they would see PS as trite and boring, not to mention monotonous. There are err... lots of things to do in hack\'n\'slash MMOG\'s. Some people desire only combat and 73|-| 1337357 weapons in a  game..

Sifright, are you sure that they don\'t manage to cram more than 24 hours into a day? I\'ve played MU Online, for four of five days, made level 20 or so... Special character is unlocked at level 220, that would take years of part time gaming to achieve, they\'re doing something special.

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« Reply #53 on: August 09, 2004, 05:19:22 pm »
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there is the powerplaying roleplayer who gets power through words, and has an extreme way of making their sentences hurt or help, but who are either weak or simply middle class on the battle field, and who try hard, but can\'t really catch up with the best of the drone-lvlers.

Just wondering Grono, could you provide an example of this type? I\'m really confused by that description...



\"Hahahahaha I can take you out anytime. You stand no chance against my magical sword of lightning, and my armor can resist any weapon man has ever known! I\'ve slain dragons and balrogs and I can take out any person in the world!! Mwahahahahhahah*cough*.\"

\"Okay, let\'s go to the arena.\"

\"Ah.. Er... Well, I\'m having a day off. Tomorrow maybe. *runs off*\"


That would be a shining example of someone who is on a powertrip, while still keeping it very roleplay like. It\'s seen often, just without the roleplaying bit, and with a lot of n00b words in between, but I\'m sure you can recognize the style. However, if this player actually does accept the challenge and goes to the arena, he or she usually gets pounded to smitherness, unless the challenge was made by someone even worse than they are. People such as this are often the worst of the PvP\'ers since they just don\'t have what it takes to kill other people. :)
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« Reply #54 on: August 09, 2004, 06:34:21 pm »
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...I dare you to find a MMOG, developed by an asian company that isn\'t about getting the highest level and the highest skills. But I\'m warning you already. If there is such a thing, it wont exactly be easy to find, simply because the asian culture is based around the idea of practicing what you want to be good at, day after day after day, in a drone-like fashion, so of course their games reflect this style of play. However, should you find a real MMORPG, that is asian, you had better tell me where it is, or else...! :)


Interestingly the PlaneShift server you\'re connected to is hosted in Asia. Well I don\'t know about you, but branding \"Asian\" MMORPGs as \'boring\' seems like prejudice itself! While I\'m not an intensive MMORPG gamer, I do agree that a lot of MMORPGs I see are centred around levelling etc. They need not be Asian of course, since the first thing that comes to mind when I think of powerlevelling is Diablo. I feel that there is an ingrained culture here (in Asia) where intense diligence and  hardwork, which you casually label as \'drone-like\', seems to be the order of the day at least in East Asian countries such as China, Korea, Japan. This results in gameplay you don\'t like, but conversely, I am sure that lots of Asians who play this way wouldn\'t give 2 hoots about someone who\'s widely loved by the community and yet doesn\'t put 24 hrs into the game. The dislike works both ways.

While I would love to embrace all-encompassing statements about Asian MMORPGs such as how they can be \'boring\' and duplicates of each other, I think that the international reach of a number of MMORPGs and their inherent popularity speak for themselves - FFXI for instance. East Asia is the centre for MMORPG development. The most avid gamers, and those who play other games professionally, put an immense number of hours into training. I don\'t see why it would be deplorable for someone to do the same for PS, although I think a balance of mingling with other players should be required for someone to have more influence in-game.

I\'d like to suggest that your gripe is not entirely about being afraid of powerlevelling, but more that you\'d like to see a PlaneShift that is centred around the community, or politics ;) . Because of your bias against powerlevellers, which you rightly pinpoint come mostly from Asia, you need to feel comfortable entrenched in the mindset that PlaneShift is *only* about how you get around in the community.

We haven\'t got CB out of the door yet, but it\'s amazing the amount of speculation that I\'m seeing about how some people prefer PlaneShift run. Frankly speaking, I doubt any of us have a clue how it would turn out, although it is good to have aspirations and be involved in its development to influence what it becomes for everyone.

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« Reply #55 on: August 10, 2004, 01:40:13 am »
Quick return to the topic before a flame starts...

Thanks Grono, I understand what you mean now. I agree they are the most annoying gamers by far. I remember a long time ago, some guy was trying to attack me in Diablo 2 (\'cuz im evil\'), and I made myself hostile, killed him and walked off. He was nowhere near a match for me... But he was set on killing me...

Grono, it\'s been asked before, but how do you know so much? You seem to be able to answer almost all questions... well except of course when they are about a certain date.. heh.

/me is in awe of Grono\'s knowledge.
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[edit] I forgot what I came here to post...
will there be areas in ps only accessible to those with a certain level in some skill or other? Or certain quests that require a high skill in something?
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« Reply #56 on: August 10, 2004, 01:58:50 am »
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Grono, it\'s been asked before, but how do you know so much? You seem to be able to answer almost all questions... well except of course when they are about a certain date.. heh.


If you\'re talking about PS:

She doesn\'t :P She just reads the CVS, hangs around alot in the ps channel, and makes wild guesses and assumptions. :) And most of the time using a mixture of all that, you get stuff right. :) I do it all the time ;)

If your talking about everything else:

Too much free time ;)

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« Reply #57 on: August 10, 2004, 08:58:05 am »
Ok, we don\'t care how many Asian mmorpgs you\'ve played, how much you\'re exaggerating, how much experience you\'ve had with such things, WE DON\'T CARE. The fact is, it is YOUR opinion. Not EVERYONE ELSES in the ENTIRE WORLD. There may be others who agree with you - but chances are, there are many who don\'t. So stop trying to prove that it isn\'t prejudice with your so called \"knowledge\". Opinion does NOT equal Fact - Get that in your head. This thread should be closed because everyone\'s flaming eachother and getting off topic...

-Zy

[EDIT: Hmmm let me put it this way...give me ANY example of a game that has MANY quests without combat, etc., is not repititious(Runescape wise), large rp game, does not have powerleveling, is not tedius, and boring. I doubt you can find a perfect one like that. AND PLEASE don\'t mention Planeshift because it\'s not even a completed game yet. You\'re just overlooking non-Asian mmorpg flaws because you are so centered around the fact that mostly Asian mmorpgs are stupid, trite, etc.]
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« Reply #58 on: August 10, 2004, 01:40:30 pm »
im sorry but i\'d much rather spend my spare time on here lvling up and finding items,then trading alot more than \"role-playing\",its stupid....the role players ive saw just stand around in a huddle and do this *sir egglamor eats an apple*...its for kids,sorry.

oh and by the way calling an asian MMO rubbish isnt racist in anyway if it is actualy rubbish....
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« Reply #59 on: August 10, 2004, 01:43:51 pm »
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im sorry but i\'d much rather spend my spare time on here lvling up and finding items,then trading alot more than \"role-playing\",its stupid....the role players ive saw just stand around in a huddle and do this *sir egglamor eats an apple*...its for kids,sorry.


The idea is if you try to level up and find items WHILE role-playing. That makes the game most fun IMHO.

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