why do they need to compile each game start then? I understand update, but each start? Especially if it is as you said - they are stored somewhere. And also, even I modify details in pslaunch the game still loads slowly. this is no-go.

nah... i've used svn repository, but the compiling instructions from cvs pages
 couldn't find any well working on the svn pages. it's fine now however the problem is still the same. guess i'll find someone who compiled it on opensuse

i did, like i said, exports were made succesfully and echoed proper values i guess.
echo $CRYSTAL provides an output:
/home/janmyszkier/development/cs  (obviously, janmyszkier is my login )

i've redone the compiling guide up to cel, both cel and planeshift hangs on jam,

and no i haven't joined that channel yet, but i guess i'll have to, what for is this forum by the way if the better support can be obtained on the channel?

If this is still alive as idea, I'm up to task as webdeveloper. i guess my php skills are great enough to manage.

However, i need everything put straight. Otherwise there's no chance in finishing it quickly. If you need to test my skills, let me know what you need to be done and you will have test results in less than 48 hours i guess.

Updater
a)
1. Updater will update from every version and will download every fix.  (to save time and bandwidth)
2. updater will start itself at each game start to save people the trouble of running it. (to keep unexperienced players in the game, not forcing them to leave just because it does not work). - If you don't like console looking updater it can be buildt-in the game as progress bar and saying (Checking for updaets) or something jsut to look nice. but it's still good when console updater runs itself with the start of the game, helping not experienced people with keeping the game working.

This will propably need to redo the updater from scratch - I don't know. However, it will help a lot keeping people in.

b)
Exiting the game of planeshift -
1. After quitting the game you are moved to the login screen
2. After server restart you are moved to login screen
3. After GM kick or ban you are moved to login screen.(haven't been kicked for a piece of time so dunno how this really worked, just assuming the same way as two upper ones)
4. after others usually closing-window-things you are moved to login screen (hm, excluding the bug crashes which usually just need to close the application.)

This, and all will agree, is very annoying and i guess all want this to be implemented. the game takes some time to load on some computers and starting the game again just because server has been restarted is plain wrong. Especially when someone doesn't have a new computer.

c) and just a question
hydlaa.com ->   Server: Offline  Players: 90

I thought this bug was fixed earlier. shouldn't the new releases not contain old bugs?

I guess all people would just love two given issues changed. I also know this idea was talked a lot about. but then again... why it isn't in game for that long when so much people demand it? Maybe it's not a must-have in game, but i guess most of you will say: "Yeah, he's damn right, i want this in game too!"

to be exact: i don't want people to answer the questions here. just consider and do as they like.

That day, Edicho decided to go for a trip to the woods... to listen some nice nature sounds, birds, and for some hunting.
While he was walking through the forest he became hungry. But he was too weak to hunt some good food. So... - Edicho decided - unfortunately i have to get some other food, at least noone watches this....

And so.... Edicho picked up some mushrooms that grew in the forest between some rocks and bushes, they were tasty and Edicho fell satisfied that he picked them up and eaten. However, he started to feel strange, his sight started to play tricks on him and he started to see odd things around him. The trip to the forest ended as a nightmare and a wise decision for the future was made:

Hey, please have some patience. Few people i know had some problems getting the discarded quests in bd. However, they eventually got them. [few had to wait some time long hours, more than 24h, too]. If you can't get certain quest now, please go take the other one and have fun with it. Believe me you will get into the winch in proper time. (and no, i don't mean soon(tm) ). there are new quests all around Yliakum and you can solve them while you are waiting for the winch ones. just be patient, go to bd often, ask npc for quests. I hope we all meet in Winch in the next few days. Do not give up or complain now just because npc don't want to give the quests NOW. I wish you all luck!

Karyuu: there are not rules these are ideas of solving the problem. If i ask them about their thoughts i don't say: "say yes or you'd be killed". They may have better ideas instead of leaving it like it is now. That's why i'm counting on them now...

Verspers were good but.... we've missing such guild in Ojaveda. so that's why i want to make a global action for teaching everyone RP. Cannot point Enki to the vespers when (s)he doesn't know when the freakin hydlaa is.

Cookie was tasty.... and now the essence

"What are you trying to achieve with this thread?" - We are trying to find the way of taking care of stupid guilds/ unexperienced guildleaders and a way to not let them crete a guild too quickly. got it or it's too complicated?

"Is that not punishment?

I see your suggestions as tight-reined and unnecessary. We do want to have a smooth RP atmosphere, but not with these rules where you constantly have to watch yourself for fear of people being tattletales if you drop a sentence in brackets. " - No it's not it's encouraging leaders to tell their members to not talk about non rp stuff - not really to kick the member out i mean physical kick rather.

"I see people very eager to make rules, but not so many people willing to take their time to actually help newcomers understand roleplay. Now that's disappointing." - you haven't been in Yliakum lately have you?