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Title: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: Narure on January 22, 2007, 10:42:28 pm
Posters are placed up all over the city:

- Hydlaa Law Enforcement -

We are looking to recruit strong citizens to be trained to become keepers of the peace within the walls of the Hydlaa.

Good public relation skills are required.

We are solely focused on keeping crime non existent in the city

Hydlaa Law Enforcement was founded by Stoyka, a simple hard working Yilan, an aspiring politician who is looking for a leadership position in hydlaa. The guilds beginings started when he was approached by an Enkidukai with a pirate hat tipped over his face a sly grin peeking underneath. After a long conversation they come to an agreement, the Enkidukai uses the tip of his dagger to pick off his current guild badge.

The guild is open to all who aspire to keep the peace and all areas of expertise are welcomed.

Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: Caarrie on January 22, 2007, 10:57:52 pm
Hydlaa Law Enforcement (http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=16451.0) it did not work in the past why do you think it can work now?

Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: Narure on January 22, 2007, 11:01:09 pm
huh name already used. Well we'll have to see how it goes wont we, its just taking its first tentitive steps.
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: Caarrie on January 22, 2007, 11:01:45 pm
[that was a link for you to read and learn from]
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: Farren Kutter on January 22, 2007, 11:03:03 pm
Times change :) Besides that, he can do as he wishes when making a guild. :)
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: Parallo on January 22, 2007, 11:03:38 pm
Go for it! We need this to work. I wish you the best of luck... Assuming you don't get in the Empire's way.
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: Tarel on January 22, 2007, 11:14:18 pm
I also like to refer to the following guild from the past:

http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=24425.0 (http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=24425.0)

This guild was created in the past and try to claim the position of Octarch ingame.
Atm there is no way for a player to become or be an Octarch in PS.

The have been a lot of discussion about it in the past already.

This is an official post about the Octarch-position:

http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=22511.0 (http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=22511.0)

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The Octarch position is major, and needs not only player support, but dev team support, especially from the Settings department - which is simply not going to happen right now, for many of the reasons already mentioned among others.
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: sstoykaa on January 22, 2007, 11:43:52 pm
no no no he wrote it wrong, not an octarch. i understand thats impossible, it states right on the site its heredity. Anyways there is nothing stopping the guild from not working. short of mistakes made by me or narure.  as for the octarch thing, i wasnt running for an octarch postion. i will however run for a leadership position in hydlaa. i believe following the rules of hte government and what the history is, it will work.

also it does say if i a vegismi is removed from the external circle for whatever reasons, a higher up citizen may be elected. =)

how else do we get higher up, cant be simply by training
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: Karyuu on January 22, 2007, 11:54:09 pm
I would stay away from trying to roleplay government positions at the moment. You don't have enough setting material to do it correctly, and no way to enforce anything at all outside of RP (which not everyone may follow). It's just messy... :} Besides, players don't have the power to find a Vegisimi suddenly removed from the circle. Right now, consider them all there and everything's just fine.
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: Hilon on January 22, 2007, 11:59:24 pm
Aspiring to the position of Octarch is one thing, achieving it is another.  As Tarel pointed out, it is not possible for any of our characters to actually 'be' Octarch at this time.  In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with role-playing an ambitious politician who may be confident that he will be Octarch one day just as long as you as a player realize that it is a pipe dream.  It will be a goal that is (for the foreseeable future) just out of the grasp of your character.  The same thing still applies if your character lowered his sights a bit and aspired to get a Vigesimi position.

As for the guild itself ... yes, it has been tried before, but so have many other things.  If RP'ed well, it can open up oppurtunites for others who choose to accept and go along with it.  A listing of ranks would be nice to see.

The only other comment I have is a minor one.  I am not sure if there are any pirate hats in Yliakum. ;)  But, I also don't know something better to suggest either.  There is not a lot of information on headgear outside of helms yet.  Maybe someone else will have a better suggestion.

Pre-post edit due to sstoykaa posting while I was typing:  Good to see that the Octarch part is understood.  :)  Most of my post here still applies.  Hope it helps and good luck with the guild.

...And now fast fingers Karyuu beat me too.  :P  @Karyuu:  What do you think about my thought of trying, but never able to achieve a government position of some sort?
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: sstoykaa on January 23, 2007, 12:02:18 am
everythings not fine!

they arent doing their job, i can see they arent implimented yet, thats fine, but are you really going to stop the rp community from forming their own government in the lack of one? i can see if the government that was thought up was in play, but its not, and i assume before its finally implemented there will be a big wipe and eveything will be lost. untill then would it really be so bad to see what players you hadn the game to, do with it? see what kinda of government they can establish?

and for the last time, i dont want to be a vegismi, or an octarch, i want to play a politician, if i do well and can make it far into the game government thats fine, but now i just want to play a politicion in a world that has no government as of now.


*edit* this was before hilons post
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: Karyuu on January 23, 2007, 12:07:31 am
@Karyuu:  What do you think about my thought of trying, but never able to achieve a government position of some sort?[/i]

Playing an aspiring politician may be fun :] As long as it's not taken too seriously and you don't go around making "Hydlaa Polls," for example. It's playing the part of someone who is in an official position of power that's difficult - first because there's no way to enforce rules, second because you don't actually know what official rules to enforce with Yliakum's setting, and third because a lot of people will wonder "Why you?" and disagree with the grab for power.

Sstoykaa, you cannot say in any way that the government officials aren't doing their job. When you roleplay, you roleplay as them there. All the Hydlaa Guards have someplace to report to. They are hired by someone, paid by someone, and work for someone who is actually around through the eyes of your character. It is just bad form to come in as regular players and attempt to create your own form of government when the world already has one - you are in direct conflict with the settings as we know them so far.
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: sstoykaa on January 23, 2007, 12:16:55 am
we dont know the rules the devs will implement, but we do know the rules that the people want/need. i am in no way tryign to force my ideas on people, my leadership. but if they vote for me, they elect me, then they want what i do. so you cant be a regular player and attempt to create your own government. if your a super player can you? and what if my attempt is not start my own government but help the one supposedly implemented?


*edit* and this is far off in the future, right now this thread is about the guild, not aobut my plans, those are not even completely finished
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: Karyuu on January 23, 2007, 12:27:02 am
But do you know what is going to be implemented? Even I don't :] So you set up an elaborate system and create a lot of RP stories that affect a lot of characters. Then the dev team implements something entirely different from what you had going, and all the stories suddenly break and fall apart.

Let's discuss people voting for your leadership - if you're not RPing that your position is something that was handed down to you but chosen by the people themselves, shouldn't you start like that, from the bottom up? So you'd need to set up a community vote instead of coming in saying that you already have people standing at your back ;} As for being a "super player," that is something that you have to prove before you attempt this.
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: sstoykaa on January 23, 2007, 12:35:57 am
lol your crazy karyuu, and i mean that ina good way.

i am starting out from the bottom, i am going around individually and introducing myself, getting people to know me, my ideas tellingthem about it. you'd be supprised who says they give me their vote. i have no way declared myself a leader, nor said i have special powers. i have simply come to people and said." i have lived here for years, working adn saving up, i have stood by and listened to what the people have to say rather than speaking. the past year i have seen a growing of chaos int he streets, a city full of unspeakable acts and senseless killings. the time for change has come. i want to be the voice of the people, its time for someone to take lead" something like that. i tell people my ideas and they either say they go for it or they dont. what is so wrong with that, and now we start a protection force to keep the streets safe. i dont see how it affects the game so bad.
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: neko kyouran on January 23, 2007, 12:38:47 am
whenever a politician comes to me, I just nod my head and agree with what ever they say.  that way they leave me alone faster.   ;)
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: Xillix Queen of Fools on January 23, 2007, 01:02:00 am
Tarel, the vespers of laanx were in no way part of my back story as one trained to become octarch. The vespers arose when Laanx(a gm) disrupted a conflict between Xillix and more than a few PS community leaders because of my claim. Upon seeig Laanx, Xillix realized her folly and the truth of where true power lay, and formed the guild on the ashes of my fame as would-be octarch.

sstoyka If you intend to pursue this course i can tell you it has never yet worked out for a player or collective of players at all. This is not to say it is impossible, just not bloody likely. You should definately take the benefit of experience related in the threads gms have linked for your information. There is material in there that you can use to shape your ideas and see where or why others failed.

Try to find underthemoon he already has a working organization for investigations and law enforcement.

There can be little doubt that any work you do to fill in the gaps as a player will be paved over without consideration by the settings devs :)

if this is unnacceptable apply :D
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: Araye on January 23, 2007, 01:36:18 am
 :offtopic:


You guys can argue and fight all you want, but I am proud to say that I (Araye Bayebes) once served the Octarch, Xillix.   \\o//

I also agree with the Devs and GMs that you should read ALL the previous ideas and find out what was tried and failed.
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: lordraleigh on January 23, 2007, 01:55:32 am
Posters are placed up all over the city:

Hydlaa Law Enforcement was founded by Stoyka, a simple hard working Yilan, an aspiring politician who is looking for the position of Octarch of the first level. The guilds beginings started when he was approached by an Enkidukai with a pirate hat tipped over his face a sly grin peeking underneath. After a long conversation they come to an agreement, the Enkidukai uses the tip of his dagger to pick off his current guild badge.

The guild is open to all who aspire to keep the peace and all areas of expertise are welcomed.

Did Narure really left the Outlaws? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_corruption)

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...corruption may facilitate criminal enterprise such as drug trafficking, money laundering, and trafficking...

Or perhaps the outlaws are modernizing their methods? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Organized_Crime#Camorra_or_Neapolitan_Mafia)

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The Camorra conducts money laundering, extortion, alien smuggling, robbery, blackmail, kidnapping, political corruption, and counterfeiting.

An who will fund this political campaign? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobbying#Corruption_concerns)

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Lobbying is frequently performed on behalf of organizations which also make campaign contributions. This has led to allegations of corruption by opponents of some lobbying organizations.

A known outlaw supporting a "law-enforcement" agency? Perhaps it is just the tip of the iceberg.  ::)
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: sstoykaa on January 23, 2007, 02:35:08 am
people should have faith, i would hope you all dont believe i just started playing =)
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: Narure on January 23, 2007, 08:22:17 am
no no no he wrote it wrong, not an octarch. i understand thats impossible, it states right on the site its heredity. Anyways there is nothing stopping the guild from not working. short of mistakes made by me or narure.  as for the octarch thing, i wasnt running for an octarch postion. i will however run for a leadership position in hydlaa. i believe following the rules of hte government and what the history is, it will work.

also it does say if i a vegismi is removed from the external circle for whatever reasons, a higher up citizen may be elected. =)

how else do we get higher up, cant be simply by training


Well i've fixed that. I kinda got in a muddle  :-[.

And my damned reputation, never going to live that down i guess. I've never left a witness ali... i mean, you can't prove anything.

Maybe Narure found someone with that tiny smigen of hope of getting some power and decieded to hop on for the ride? Nothing so snister eh? We'll have to see.
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: Zan on January 23, 2007, 09:36:40 am
We need guards, a couple of us have tried creating them .. never really worked but I do hope it will stick this time.
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: sstoykaa on January 23, 2007, 10:30:23 pm
Ive done as much research as i can..... and safe to say it looks good on our part. as for all the nay sayings. seems people look at what others tried in the past and assume it cant be done. but when there is a tight system of police in the city and the streets are safe.... you people against it dont come crying to us when your robbed and stabbed in the back allys. =)

im just kidding we cant turn anyone down.. its our job!
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: Zan on January 24, 2007, 12:49:30 pm
It can be done, I have done it but my problem was the high recrution standards I kept up. On one side they assured that my guards were rather respected by the RP community. On the other side it didn't give me more than one or two capable guards.

Because of a lack of activity my Vaal Guard has disappeared to the background.

What I would like to see is which laws you all are upholding. If you just claim to uphold the law but don't give us regular people the chance to know this law, we can easily think we're being fooled.
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: Gharan on January 24, 2007, 12:54:27 pm
I really like the idea but shotuing round the Plaza for members won't get you the members you are looking for, It will probably get you alot of spies tbh.
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: ThomPhoenix on January 24, 2007, 12:59:57 pm
Excuse my skepticism if I say I don't believe in this.
I think these issues will trouble you:
-What are the laws, who makes the laws? You? Not very democratic...
-How do you plan on punishing the badguys? You can't force them to RP with you.
-What about the 1000 other "Protect Hydlaa" guilds?
-Narure is a known Outlaw, how are you going to convince people?

Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: Donari Tyndale on January 24, 2007, 02:05:22 pm
*Donari stand at Harnquist, listening to Narures advertisment and shakes her head in disbelief and mutters to herself "Stoyka you fool"
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: Sangwa on January 24, 2007, 03:01:00 pm
Hydlaa Law Enforcement lead by Narure? Hah.

If such a guild were to happen, it would have to be the initiative of someone generally known to have a virtuous agenda. Easton and the leader of the Protectors are basicly the only ones I wouldn't frown at. Keep in mind that if you try to enforce law, you must first be acknowledged as someone who knows and respects it. Not an outlaw.
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: Narure on January 24, 2007, 05:47:27 pm
I dont lead it, I kinda, well i dont do much but sit on the band waggon and well i do abit of recruiting here and there. But lead it no, that would be completly absurd.

The ranks:

Provisional Guard
Guard
Elite Guard
Unit Commander
Council
Chancellor

I’m not so sure about the laws as of yet because I haven’t talked to Stoyka about it in enough detail that I could post something.
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: Parallo on January 24, 2007, 07:24:02 pm
So wait. Let me get this straight. You work with a group that enforces laws that you don't even know? I thought people generally found out what they were supporting first. And one only has to advance one rank to no longer be provisional? Abuse of power anyone?
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: ThomPhoenix on January 24, 2007, 07:24:45 pm
Chancellor as leader of a "Police squad"? Chancellor can be used for officers in a military or in a court, but I've never heard it associated with police.

And yeah, I said the same things Parallo said, but Narure is avoiding to answer them?
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: Parallo on January 24, 2007, 07:28:38 pm
And yeah, I said the same things Parallo said, but Narure is avoiding to answer them?

Great minds, eh?

But seriously. Why would anyone support someone that want to impose various laws and run for governmental position without even knowing said person's policies?
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: Sangwa on January 24, 2007, 08:34:32 pm
Narure's joking obviously. This is not serious attempt, or we would have noticed it before.

Plus "Hydlaa Law Enforcement" sounds way too pretensious. I mean, it's named after the city, and supposedly its law. And I don't see anyone, Vigesimi or Octarch, assuming anyone else as Hydlaa's Law Enforcement guild. I agree with the creation of a guard, it can't have such a pretensious name though.
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: sstoykaa on January 24, 2007, 10:32:29 pm
WOW


ok, let me sit here and think how to respond to all these post.

hmmm, first of all everyone wants the run down on the forums, and well you will find out ingame for most of it.

as for the laws.... for one i saw something about being democratic.... is democracy real, or believable in midevil times?

Narure...... you dont trust him, yet maybe he changed his ways. before everyone starts distrusting the guild, have information of something the guild did wrong =).

i had no idea this would get so much backlash, but keep saying it cant, wont, might not work. all great people had haters.
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: ThomPhoenix on January 24, 2007, 10:38:06 pm
WOW

You didn't answer any of our questions.
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: sstoykaa on January 24, 2007, 11:07:26 pm
ok, simply put all the questions, numbered in one post, and i will follow the post up with every answer =)

*edit* also just to point out, everytime something about guards is brought up the devs, or gm's immediatly say the guards are in the game and your supposed to rp they are there and there are consiquences for your actions.... so why is is so bad that a real group is doing it, to better the rp?
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: lordraleigh on January 25, 2007, 02:15:19 am
WOW


ok, let me sit here and think how to respond to all these post.

hmmm, first of all everyone wants the run down on the forums, and well you will find out ingame for most of it.

as for the laws.... for one i saw something about being democratic.... is democracy real, or believable in midevil times?

Narure...... you dont trust him, yet maybe he changed his ways. before everyone starts distrusting the guild, have information of something the guild did wrong =).

i had no idea this would get so much backlash, but keep saying it cant, wont, might not work. all great people had haters.


This is the answer on whether democracy and republic ideas are possible or not:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy#Middle_Ages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy#Middle_Ages)

Quote from: Wikipedia
During the Middle Ages, there were various systems involving elections or assemblies, although often only involving a minority of the population

Of course Planeshift Setting is Fantasy, and does not need to reflect accuratedly the real world historical middle ages.
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: Sangwa on January 25, 2007, 09:00:07 am
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*edit* also just to point out, everytime something about guards is brought up the devs, or gm's immediatly say the guards are in the game and your supposed to rp they are there and there are consiquences for your actions.... so why is is so bad that a real group is doing it, to better the rp?

I believe the concern of the devs is the following: "power abuse." They'd rather not trust anyone with the power of watching over Hydlaa's citizens, unless they trust them/form them/control them themselves.

You say your guild hasn't done anything wrong. It has done something already. You've got a criminal that will be working as a guard. That's not right. Obviously. Remarks such as "give him a second chance" make no sense in a Law enforcement guild. Will you guys be giving second chances to murderers, pick pockets and such? Come on.

Your guild's supposed task is to serve the people and that includes us all. You shouldn't be surprised at our reactions, since we're criticizing this thing that's supposed to help our characters. It makes all sense that we try to ask for it to be clearer from corruption and low standards.
I've mentioned my dislikes before, and think I've been overly clear in pointing out my reasons for holding such feelings.
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: sstoykaa on January 25, 2007, 11:47:56 am


Great minds, eh?

But seriously. Why would anyone support someone that want to impose various laws and run for governmental position without even knowing said person's policies?

dude you need to relax, you act like im trying to take over the city. and you want all of you want answers in the forums about everything. i have started out as small as i can. i go around and talk to people about my ideas and plans. one by one, sometimes in groups. i never asked for your support on this forums. i have yet to enforce any laws. i have done nothing but try to recruit people and this is what i get. instead of whining why dont you wait to meet stoyka in game.... sangwa and stoyka had a nice talk last night, and i guarantee his thoughts changed on the whole matter. so give it a chance instead of just freaking out. the law enforcemnt aint even close to being ready to patrol the streets.
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: ThomPhoenix on January 25, 2007, 02:37:48 pm
If you think that an organization making laws, enforcing those laws and deciding about punishment (normally divided over separate organizations) is  something people don't need to worry about, you're wrong. Especially when that organization calls itself "official" while they're not. And when the apparent representative of said organization is too lazy to quickly read through 3 pages of replies to answer the few questions people have, then it's not odd at all that people have serious reservations. And again, getting Narure involved is ... silly.

Just a slight hint :)
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: Sangwa on January 25, 2007, 02:54:52 pm
Sstoykaa, posting in the forums is asking for opinion. If you didn't want people to give their two cents but instead work slowly towards your end, then you shouldn't have posted this here. Our "whinning" consists in critiques, well applied and targeted that you should either ignore or attempt to respond.
You shouldn't ever complaint, as we're sorta of doing you a favor you've asked.

And true. Our conversation lead me to think you have good potential. But if you don't listen to anyone, you're not going to live up to it.
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: Zan on January 25, 2007, 03:00:07 pm
The PS community is overly uptight about things like this ... people play for fun and being told what to do, even if it is with the best intentions, isn't fun for most of them. Especially if it's being told what to do by someone they don't acknowledge as their superior. I do think people need to lighten up about this but I also have to say that you've started this thing off in a very bad way. I don't doubt your good intentions, that's not my place to doubt but I do have issues with your approach.

A good idea is easier accepted if it is presented with as much information as possible. The main reason why you're getting such a big backlash on a not so bad idea is because you started with "Ah I want to create a guard unit for roleplaying purposes, lets make a post about it!". A much better approach would have been "Ah I ant to create a guard unit for roleplaying purposes, lets think real hard about it, write it out as detailed as possible, ask help from those who have tried it and check if it can work within the settings ... then when I have all that I'll make it public and make a post about it." I know that both can be frustrating .. the former because of the obvious reasons we witness in this thread. The latter because after all that hard work it could be that you hardly get any attention and practically no people interested in joining your guild. This last is something that many good guild ideas have to struggle with .. but personally I'd rather struggle with that and at least have the acceptance of the community than the other way around.

Then your second problem is a completely in character one, hiring Narure and making him your frontman. He is commonly known as an Outlaw and a thug in the game, not one self-respecting character with half a mind will allow such a person to read him his rights. I've talked to Narure both in and out of character, in-character I basically laughed at his attempt to claim he bettered his life and was now serving the law .. out of character I understood that he wanted to go a different way and figured it would be interesting to become one of the good guys now. Truth be told, Narure can only be succesful in his new role and not bring shame and distrust to your guild if the RP is bad. As long as we look at him through our character's eyes, those that know him ... well a criminal will always be a criminal in real life too. Even after they have been punished and spent a lot of time in jail reforming, people won't trust them. Narure hasn't even been punished for his previous acts.

Then again he could be playing everyone and him being one of the good guys could be an intentional trick to infiltrate your guild. I've had my law enforcement guild being infiltrated by one of the Outlaws, I've actually made your mistake so I know what I'm talking about. My decency towards the player and my desire to have good roleplayers made me trust him. I can't directly say that something like this is bad roleplaying but I will say that it is very unrespectful roleplaying. You trust a player behind the characters only to find out that they abused your OOC trust to accomplish IC things.
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: Sangwa on January 25, 2007, 05:22:25 pm
They're opinions, not demands. If mine, or any other player's, succint attempts at expressing our ideas sound uptight, then it is because the person listening must be taking them defensively right from the start. And that's not such a big deal, as most of us will ignore incoherent retaliations. It would be alot worst if we would have to fake our true thoughts with needless nicety and dishonest sympathy.
In fact, I believe the PS Community is better than it has ever been, as I haven't noticed much babbling of late in forums where babbling shouldn't exist. Such as this one. Lately the discussions I witness are usually positive, even if heated, contributing with good thought material. My congratulations to all of you, while I'm at it.

And Zan, what you mentioned was basicly what myself, and some others, have been claiming as well: Take your time creating the guild, earn reputation, values and method; don't expect people to trust you when you have Narure. Some of us would also add, in a kind or harsh way, depending on the person's personaility, "You should change the name as the current one sounds too big headed and official when it's not."
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: sstoykaa on January 25, 2007, 07:27:41 pm
Haha!

And when the apparent representative of said organization is too lazy to quickly read through 3 pages of replies to answer the few questions people have, then it's not odd at all that people have serious reservations.

bringing ooc feelings ic....... smooth move.


also, not one of my guards have tried to enforce any law. we are simply in the starting phase. everyones so worried about having laws put on them that they dont want, yet no laws have been placed. we are simply at he recruiting phase, since, so many good warriors would "love to help" but they wont leave their guild so simply our only choice is to recruit newcomers. having an idea of what the guild will be, before it does anything, because of past, ooc forum feelings, is a horrible way to go about this. just give it a chance thats all i ask, let things happen before you complain about them. its the only way to be open minded about it
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: Parallo on January 25, 2007, 07:35:00 pm
The serious reservations are IC as well as OOC. The fact that you won't read shows that, outside of the PS world at least, you are unorganised. I would have reservations about such an organisation myself.
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: sstoykaa on January 25, 2007, 08:37:27 pm
i read them

just when i reply, i dont scroll down and read everything again..... call me what yhou want, usually i do this when i get off work and im a little... twisted. but like i said before give it a chance before you knock it.... its only fair
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: Parallo on January 25, 2007, 08:41:10 pm
That doesn't change the fact that you didn't answer the questions! Could you not at least do that? We'll knock if it doesn't meet standards and thusfar your beheaviour in this thread does not meet those standards. As was said before this forum is for getting opinions and such opinions cannot be fully made without someone answering questions. If you don't want to answer them, do not post.
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: lordraleigh on January 25, 2007, 09:03:00 pm
Here is my final opinion about this:

Any possibility of this turning into a large Roleplay involving an attempt of the Outlaws of delving into politics(corruption) is almost fully broken when Narure openly announced his "selfless" support to it. A pity as it could lead to interesting outcomes if properly applied.

This is a constructive but harsh criticism, not only towards this one, but also indirectly to the Outlaws, as I am pretty sure this "guild" was supposed to be part of a plan from them:

The Outlaws are excessively public on their plots to have a chance of reaching the infamous status of  these ones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Organized_Crime) in real world history. Narure openly declaring his support to this "Law Enforcement Agency" blew it up almost completely before it could work as a political platform to have a criminal lobby in the Yliakum government. Most forget that in Real World most criminal organizations like for example the medieval Garduna (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garduna) were secret, their members never identified themselves and all shady supports that those organizations gave to other apparently legitimate groups were in secrecy and behind the scenes. Although the Outlaws classify themselves as *cough* "Chaotic Evil", it doesn't necessarily means they must avoid becoming a more organized criminal group.

In my opinion, IC-wise this guild dug its own grave even before being founded because of that.

Of course sstoykaa, if you dismiss Narure from it(Honestly or a fake "dismissal") it may still have a chance of recovering its reputation and being respectable after all. Also you must expect criticism when you post any idea about guilds, organizations and such, specially in a roleplay based game like Planeshift, and it is important to know how to use these criticisms to improve your own idea instead of trying to defend continually its original and raw state as if it was perfect.
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: Janner on January 25, 2007, 09:18:33 pm
 :thumbup: well as far as politicks go, you have that bit right, never yet known one answer a strait question.
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: sstoykaa on January 25, 2007, 11:24:30 pm
fine i'll get you answers on the forums, tomorrow after work i'll go thru each post and detail an answer. hopefully after that you all can begin to give it a chance.

*update rp*

Stoyka, tired of the constant slack he is given for Narure being in HLE. he decides, threw the peoples wishes, to remove narure.

He sends message for Narure to meet infront of harns. The two start speaking quietly. It quickly escalates. Narure starts to shout at Stoyka. Telling him the guild was his, it would be nothing without him. Stoyka shouted back in shear reaction to this side he had never seen.

Stoyka grabs at narures guild badge and rips it off, shoving it in his pouch.  Narure darts behind Donari, holding a dagger to her throat. Stoyka feels he has a strong enough case to arrest the ex-outlaw, hold him in the hands of the citizens. Donari closes her  eyes and chants a spell. A flame spire glyph twirls around her forcing narure to let go and stand alone.

The crowd dashes around moving clear of the magic. As the onlookeres settle in and outward ring, two figures remain in the center. Epyrion on standing, sword drawn, and an enkidukai staggering around.
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: Narure on January 25, 2007, 11:39:56 pm
Narure drops his daggers and clutches at the gushing wound. The crowd circles wildly turning into nothing but a sensless blur. He splutters and drops to his knees. He opens his mouth and takes a huge gulp of air, his face contorts with pain "bugger" he splurts out as his body crashes to the ground. His nose twiches. He awakens in the darkness.
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: Coneitic on January 26, 2007, 01:07:50 am
Nice Story writing.
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: Parallo on January 31, 2007, 05:10:30 pm
"Bugger" he splurts out as his body crashes to the ground.

Watch the language.
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: Nurahk on February 01, 2007, 08:59:13 am
Hahaha, I love you, Parallo :P
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: Narure on February 01, 2007, 10:46:15 pm
Pfft gimme a break, who am i insulting? Am i deforming anyones mind?

Is the Hydlaa law enforcement going strong? I've not seen any around for a while. I hope it didnt go down the drain.
Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: Parallo on February 01, 2007, 11:06:43 pm
Hahaha, I love you, Parallo :P

Another quote for the books along with the masses of "Parallo's right"s.

Title: Re: Hydlaa Law enforcement
Post by: lordraleigh on February 02, 2007, 01:43:14 am
Hahaha, I love you, Parallo :P

Another quote for the books along with the masses of "Parallo's right"s.



Minitrue approves ref, "bugger" oldeng word, leads crimethink, doubleplusungood

Parallo crimethinker, ungood. Only Big Bro's right, and the Octs and Vigs of the party*cough* Yliakgov

Minitrue'll fix Narure's ref. Miniluv'll fix him.

Hydlaalawenf copying Doublethink, docrime Narure enforcing law.

Ungood, Miniluv must fix Hydlaalawenf
Thinkpol check if Narure really is gone from it, possible still hidmember.
Outlaws doubleplusungood ref Lawenf possible work against Big Bro and Yliakgov
Big Bro hard to keep stability, no telescreens in Yliakum, Inner
party*cough*circle Octs n' Outer part*cough* circle Vigs investigate fullwise