PlaneShift
Gameplay => General Discussion => Topic started by: Sangwa on March 07, 2007, 05:30:22 pm
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Planeshift is a Massive Multiplayer Roleplay Game, right?
I know you've nodded your head, or said "right", "yes." or some other affirmative expression. However, I really doubt some of you fully understand what it means. And that's why I'm here!
Now let's start with the first part: "Massive Multiplayer." That means there's a lot of people around here. But they're not just around, each by itself. They're interacting! And what's the most important thing in these situations? Social behaviour! Most of us know about this, we're used to living in a community. It's about being polite, respecting the community's rules and enjoying the company of others.
Now off to the "Roleplay Game" part! Well. There's not much humble Sangwa can tell you guys about this. You have guides and you can even look it up in the dictionary! And wikipedia. Oh, how I love good technologies. But anyway, it's all about playing a role, using your imagination and sometimes external help, like rulesets and stuff.
Say. I haven't helped you with anything yet, now have I? I should get to the point.
And the point is: we know what these seperate concepts mean. But do we know what happens when they merge!?
Taddaa!!! A place where you must be social and polite while your imagination runs like a river! Or a nose bleed if you're not doing things right.
But that's it! When these two fantastic things get together you enter a game with some requirements (you need a moderatly good computer, internet connection, to be social and you need to follow the game rules) and all its advantages (endless fun, meeting nice people)!
Hmm... I'm not sure if you've grasped the depth of it. So I'll use the following two sentences to illustrate what I mean. These tell what you shouldn't do when playing with people. This way you'll know how these kind of things work.
You don't play a First Person Shooter when you feel like walking around in a park. Well, you might. But if there are people around, they'll be annoyed that you're not taking the game as seriously as they are, because you're just walking around the scenario when they're trying to get some fighting.
You don't play football when you want to play basketball. It's possible, but you'll annoy everyone else. They'll get mad at you because you're spoiling their game, always picking up the ball when you should be kicking it.
In a Massive Multiplayer Roleplaying Game you always have people around. And you are supposed to roleplay. So it's quite normal that your guild is a roleplaying guild, that you are roleplayer, that you have roleplayed and engaged in several roleplays, that you have started roleplay plots on your own, that you participate in everyone's roleplaying and not just events and quests.
What is not normal is playing a MMORPG thinking you're allowed not to roleplay. What would be the sense of a roleplay if you didn't have to roleplay? What is not normal is that you think roleplaying is a sort of responsibility, or something you need to do or people will shout at you and think less of you, it's also not normal to think that you have these things called "roleplays" that you have to ask and join instead of a single roleplay game where everyone is requested to take part in from the second they choose to log in.
A roleplaying game is meant for you to have fun roleplaying. And the better you get at it, the more fun it becomes.
So have fun!
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\\o//Bravo, Sangwa!!!! excellent post, and a point well made. All I can add in my humble opinion, is that in a MMORPG, there are good guys, and bad guys, and oftentimes one gets mad at the bad guys for the simple fact that they are doing their job. Many times I have heard of them being reported for being evil in some way, but it's part of the game. Every good MMORPG needs the conflicting sides, and without it, it would just be a walk in the park with a sniper rifle and no enemies. \\o// Good job, Sangwa.
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At the risk of being pedantic, role playing is a kind of meaningless term. Everything you do in life can be considered playing a role. For example at work right now I am doing data entry so my role is to key in receipts to the database. It is not something I do because I want to, it is a role I have taken on in order to get paid. My role in the game is as a rockhead who remains somewhat aloof from the hurly-burly. I go around and do my thing, whatever it is that interests me at the moment, and do not get caught up in "Grande Affaires". When speaking to people I do try to remain consistent with the settings but I feel no need to specifically affect a different personality. Most of my characters might seem alike but all take into account their specific circumstances, factors of race, etc.
I hope that does not make my character objectionable.
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You still roleplay your characters' role. I'm talking about being OOC constantly and jumping IC from time to time, while you're playing. Or to better phrase it: To not roleplay most of the time and then roleplay poorly from time to time.
Garris, I agree when you say you have to accept the other person's role. As long as it makes sense. I don't agree, however, that there should be a good and evil side. Each character should have its own side, which allows them to cooperate with a certain kind of people and be hostile towards another kind of people.
EDIT: Added second paragraph + a sentence on the first.
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Fair enough, I suppose if you mean standing around talking in main about the hockey game last night or the concert tomorrow. I'm sure there are better places to discuss that. As far as character goes, that is subjective. You may see your character, generically speaking, as being a mighty hero while I might see your character as cowardly bully. We may be looking at the same set of events and draw completely different conclusions. You, of course, would have the inside picture but you might not see how others are affected.
I apologize if it appears I am trying to hijack your thread, I am merely responding to what I understand you to be saying, perhaps my understanding is lacking.
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Well, not much to say about this topic but I will try my best to use up some of the servers storage on my useless ramblings about the subject.
I personally am no great RPer. My main Character, Idoru, is basically me, by personality, speech, and so on. I dont go out of my way to speak in some obscure dialect, claim to be a master hunter, Hero, shoe saleskran, or whatever. Now, because I dont specifically RP a role that is different to me does that make it bad RP? I'm not saying that I freely wander around chatting about, i dunno, PC monitors (im looking at one so its the 1st thing I thought of ;)), what I do is play a 'me' in this location and time, keeping within the settings.
As for:
A place where you must be social and polite while your imagination runs like a river!
Not true IMO, I freely accept that some people are scum, in RL or IC, its just how people are, and not neccessarilly scum IC and IRL at the same time. I have met 'evil' players who are fantastic people OOC but scum IC. Thats just RP.
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I prefer RP-lite.
RP-lite means that I enjoy RP because it can enhance the experience but I won't force it on others. I expect the same in return, of course. :)
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Wait, who exactly is the target audience of this post? 'Cause it's worded like it's directed at the nappy-wearing generation :P
How is this post any different from the hundreds of others making the exact same point, except for its incredibly patronising tone? :P
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Fair enough, I suppose if you mean standing around talking in main about the hockey game last night or the concert tomorrow. I'm sure there are better places to discuss that. As far as character goes, that is subjective. You may see your character, generically speaking, as being a mighty hero while I might see your character as cowardly bully. We may be looking at the same set of events and draw completely different conclusions. You, of course, would have the inside picture but you might not see how others are affected.
I apologize if it appears I am trying to hijack your thread, I am merely responding to what I understand you to be saying, perhaps my understanding is lacking.
No. My understanding is lacking. Since I can't see your point.
Well, not much to say about this topic but I will try my best to use up some of the servers storage on my useless ramblings about the subject.
I personally am no great RPer. My main Character, Idoru, is basically me, by personality, speech, and so on. I dont go out of my way to speak in some obscure dialect, claim to be a master hunter, Hero, shoe saleskran, or whatever. Now, because I dont specifically RP a role that is different to me does that make it bad RP? I'm not saying that I freely wander around chatting about, i dunno, PC monitors (im looking at one so its the 1st thing I thought of ;)), what I do is play a 'me' in this location and time, keeping within the settings.
As for:
A place where you must be social and polite while your imagination runs like a river!
Not true IMO, I freely accept that some people are scum, in RL or IC, its just how people are, and not neccessarilly scum IC and IRL at the same time. I have met 'evil' players who are fantastic people OOC but scum IC. Thats just RP.
You have no idea what I'm talking about, do you? Players have to be the least social. Or they get banned from the forums. That's what usually happens at least. It doesn't matter what characters are.
I prefer RP-lite.
RP-lite means that I enjoy RP because it can enhance the experience but I won't force it on others. I expect the same in return, of course. :)
Wait, who exactly is the target audience of this post? 'Cause it's worded like it's directed at the nappy-wearing generation :P
How is this post any different from the hundreds of others making the exact same point, except for its incredibly patronising tone? :P
Obviously people still have doubts.
In case you'd provide me a similar thread to this one I'd tell you this new one's purpose is to make things clear where others might have failed. In case you can't show me anything similar, I'll just shrug off your comment.
Either ways, I'll keep indulging myself in my entertaining quest for mutual enlightenment.
EDIT: Oh, how rude of me. Xanacru, no one needs to force other people to roleplay. They should be doing it already.
EDIT2: Fixed the wording on these last paragraphs.
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and by football he means soccer :P ...sry had to add that in for us Americans.
Basically, LEARN THE DIFFERENCE between acting and talking IC and acting and talking OOC. Stay IC and away from OOC as much as you can. When using OOC chat, use [brackets]. EX:
good OOC chat:
ex1: [What level crystal way must i be to cast Healing Burst?]
ex2: [I need to go afk]
good IC chat:
ex1: Good day sir! How are you on this fine but chilly morning?
ex2: Farewell, and may the winds blow in your favour.
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As for:
A place where you must be social and polite while your imagination runs like a river!
Not true IMO, I freely accept that some people are scum, in RL or IC, its just how people are, and not neccessarilly scum IC and IRL at the same time. I have met 'evil' players who are fantastic people OOC but scum IC. Thats just RP.
You have no idea what I'm talking about, do you? Players have to be the least social. Or they get banned from the forums. That's what usually happens at least. It doesn't matter what characters are.
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One of you, Idoru, is talking about characters and the other is talking about the players. A simple mistake.
Good OOC chat:
/tell
/group
Though, it's not like I'm perfect, I often talk in the say channel OOC.
Fair enough, I suppose if you mean standing around talking in main about the hockey game last night or the concert tomorrow. I'm sure there are better places to discuss that. As far as character goes, that is subjective. You may see your character, generically speaking, as being a mighty hero while I might see your character as cowardly bully. We may be looking at the same set of events and draw completely different conclusions. You, of course, would have the inside picture but you might not see how others are affected.
I apologize if it appears I am trying to hijack your thread, I am merely responding to what I understand you to be saying, perhaps my understanding is lacking.
No. My understanding is lacking. Since I can't see your point.
Bilbous is misunderstanding you. Being a person is a role as well, Bilbous, Sangwa is not saying we should all be heroes or villains; just that we should all be plausible people when it comes to the setting.
Sangwa's definition of role: Person living in the setting
Bilbous' interpretation of Sangwa's definition of role: Hero/villain.
Atleast, that's what I'm getting from you two.
@Xanacru: Roleplaying is pretty much a must. Don't have to overdo it, but, don't ignore it. You should tell others to Roleplay.
@EmeraldFoll: You're talking about repetitive threads in this forum? That's like finding hay in a haystack. Atleast this one summarizes, is driven by a good point and, is an awesome reminder of how one should act.
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Main problem with me is people get angry at me for being bad guy in character, I got logged in the DL war for killing people. Even got cornered and yelled at for the racist "enki" thing. Its roleplay, in a game, not in real life. Ic is comepletely different thant ooc, roleplay is a must.
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The DL/enki racist thing was a roleplay that was bending the rules of the setting. That's all.
But, I understand what you are saying.
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The DL/enki racist thing was a roleplay that was bending the rules of the setting. That's all.
But, I understand what you are saying.
whatcha mean?
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Alright Im stupid and have a short attention span... So lemme get this straight... role play.... is role playing your character, viewing Yliakum through their eyes.
So why do we have all these threads about rp when its simple? :beta:
Isn't there a 'how to' role playing guide?...
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Roleplaying, the constant problem in PS is balancing the eoleplay part with the game part. To even have all the new people understand what it means to roleplay, seeing even the ones that do know sometimes have different ideas about how to explain it best.
However it should mean acting like your character first when typing and only using OOC if you have to and making sure your OOC doesn't hinder others by making groups or telling or using guild. It also means to me the realization that you control your character and nothing but your character. This means there are no private RPs or anything like that on this public server.
You might think these are obvious rules perhaps, but just recently I came across someone pretty well known I think [although more for this kind of actions then anything else] and whho has been playing PS for months now calling upon Death to make sure I wasn't the one who would save him. Yes death as in Grimreaper kind of thing. When I gently tried to point out that this was godmodding I was ignored, when I said it less gentle by ignoring the Death spectre he want beserk saying I was ruining HIS RP and he would pause the RP till I and the others were gone so just him and the person who he wanted to be saved by could RP as it was supposed to be played.
It kind of shocked me how far of these kind of actions are to my understanding of roleplaying. I even thought of reporting him because of two very obvious godmoddings.
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The DL/enki racist thing was a roleplay that was bending the rules of the setting. That's all.
But, I understand what you are saying.
whatcha mean?
I mean, I believe they were more angry at you being part of an RP which was contrary ( to a degree) to the setting and not as much because you are an evil character.
@Holdan: Because people still fail.
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*Note: Perhaps this would be better fitting on the "Guides and Tutorials"?
I think that roleplaying should be more than just making a character and roleplaying her/his actions and speak "Hello" and "How are you?".
Here's a list of advices for general roleplaying that weren't yet included here(And it includes good advice for people that wish to RP things that don't fit with PS Settings), and that are pretty generic:
SETTINGS
The first thing you should do when you are going to download/buy a MMORPG that has an emphasis on roleplay, is to read its settings. This should be done even before downloading/buying it due to a peculiar aspect: you may dislike the Settings of any game because they forbid the types of characters you like to create or simply because they aren't interesting for you. In that case, if you really wish to RP a specific type of character/guild/event that doesn't fit with the Settings above everything, don't waste time with the game you are playing and search for another one, and lastly, I really recommend having a group of friends with a GM/DM as Pen and Paper RPG rulebooks are really much more wide on Settings than Computer RPGs and MMORPGs and also it's easier to find one that fit your tastes, or if you have time and creativity, you could even create your own Settings based on such books. This is really important as well to avoid conflicting your character with the Settings, and that is something that only brings disappointment and disruption if you wish to try again. Lastly there is the always controversial "grey area", the undefined part of Settings that some people usually employ both to criticize a guild/rp event as unfitting with the Settings or for doing the contrary. On that there is only one thing, the principle of logic. If you really need to employ such on your roleplays, you should use it in a form that does not contradict or is disconnected with what already is defined, but it's really better to avoid it when possible.
In brief: Read the settings first, if you think "they suck/are boring/etc" and that the types of characters you really like to roleplay don't fit with it, look for another game, or preferably, for one of the much more open PnP RPGs and for friends to play it with you. Also don't work over undefined parts except for logic points that make it concise with what is known, MMORPGs are not rulebooks to give the users freedom for that.
Example: Racist characters in Yliakum.
ROLEPLAY A DYNAMIC WORLD
After you readed the Settings, liked them and created your character and have some roleplay for it based on the guides that already exist (http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?board=53.0) about it, you are assuming control of your character life from now on and should always see everything as dynamic around your character life. First there is ageing, some people prefer to take a RL year relation for roleplaying it, others lock their characters forever on the same age and others use the world time/game time relation
( 1 RL year = 6 Yliakum years). In any form you should expect your character to learn more, acquire experience and even slightly change their personality traits as time passes and happenings affect them. Someone who was kidnapped more than once would probably acquire some trauma and phobias, someone that had success on life or achieved a position of power from hard working could become more proud, self-confident and/or arrogant, people who isolate from social interation would become grunts and those on military would mostly become more disciplined and stern. "Good" characters may be corrupted by "evil" as they have more and more power, "Evil" characters may find redemption and change themselves. That is one of the points of a dynamic world and it really increases realism. Other points include economy, although it probably can't be applied easily now as the economy is flawed and extremely Out of Character, except if all the community agrees in putting prices for merchandise in a realistic pattern. In that case, propaganda and social skills should also have an influence on your character preferences on which merchant to buy from for example. A well-clothed and polite salesman with good persuasion skills, even if selling for a higher price, will probably attract more or as much people than a bad-clothed, uneducated and bad speaker one that don't care about his customers but who sells things for a lower price. One important thing to note when you change your character behavior is that such change should have an In-Character justification, not "Now he/she became 'evil' cause I'm bored with the way my character previously was". Also I recommend to avoid cheesy justifications that rely too much on "evil rings/artifacts" and "evil forces" in general. Other thing is preset phrases for talking to people. Some people realistically may always start a conversation with things like "Hello, how are you?", but many don't always use the same sets of words on the same order for it, also when used excessively, it gives a "robotic" look on the way a character talks.
In brief: Never see your own character as static and unchangeable, both him/her and the world around are dynamic. But don't change your character personality without a realistic IC reason for it. For many types of characters avoid repeating over and over the same phrases on the same order when speaking to others.
Example: The rebel type that is drafted on the army will definitively be forced to change his/her behavior, and sometimes the change will be definitive.
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Another small thing to add to what LordRaleigh posted would be to let things happen to your character.
I know you probably want them to be awesome and have a great life, but, a couple bad events can really add depth to your character.
[I think...Nurahk is perfect, how could something bad happen to him??? :P]
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The problem I have with RP at the moment is i'm sort of stuck in the middle. It's hard to explain but i'll try. I mainly play shady characters who are always getting into trouble and duels always came into my game. Now I don't duel anymore but still play shady characters. I'll use an example for how this has affected my RP.
Vigele is on the Plaza speaking with an Enki who is enlightening him to his past as Vigele ceases to remember anything. He hears of his atrocities and doesn't quite beleive it. He gets into an argument with the Enki and threatens him. Someone overhears the threat and comes storming over demanding I fight them. I try and RP my way into a fight eevn though the comment was never directed at thema nd it was none of there business. I'm soon met with a duel challenge on my screen, I put it in brackets [sorry RP fight only] and am laughed at ooc. Yes that's right laughhed at ooc in an RP game for wanting to RP. The person laughing was no new player either.
This basically ended the RP that I had going and there was no reviving it.
So should I duel to avboid being laughed at or just laugh at them for being so childish?
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hmmm dueling is a hard one. it is part of the gamemechanics and so shouldn't be ignored, but I feel the OOCness of winning a fight is enough cause to want to RP the fight instead of letting lag decide. Duels often also halt the RP in my eyes. But obviously if people start fightng OOC about the IC dueling having the dueling option would still be a good way to objectively see who wins.
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Duels often also halt the RP in my eyes.
Couldn't agree more, they wanted to duel not knowing anything I was speaking about. And was on the Plaza in front of Harnquist, which let's face it, RP wise you would most likely face consequences for being aggressive there. It just seems people challenge much too easily not even knwoing why they are challenging in the first place. Often spoiling the RP the person had going in the first place.
It happens to me daily and it's getting tiresome...
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I stand by what I said. :)
Even if I personally enjoy Role-Playing, which I do, I won't force it on others. Some people may not speak a very good English and just prefer to do quests and generally keep to themselves.
On the other hand, I expect them not to be OOC-ly surprised by my Role-Playing in a Role-Playing game.
I'm sure that everyone who agreed or disagreed meant well when posting in this thread, however, with the goal of everyone having fun.
People here obviously care about making others feel welcome. ;)
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At the risk of being pedantic, role playing is a kind of meaningless term.
... Except to individuals to which it has meaning.
Next...
Wait, who exactly is the target audience of this post... How is this post any different from the hundreds of others making the exact same point, except for its incredibly patronising tone?
He's saying it a different way than others have in the past. Plus it's Sangwa who's saying it, and that counts for something. As far as the target audience, I would say personally that those who would benefit from reading his post are those who feel that they're "tolerating" roleplayers, when really it's the roleplayers who are tolerating disruptive players. I think we're too tolerant of disruptive behaviours, to be honest, and I think we're under no obligation to tolerate it from players who should know better.
@lordraleigh: Interesting post, I'll read through it when I get the time.
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@lordraleigh: I didn't mean for this to be a tuturial on how to roleplay. I just want to point people towards the right way to perceive a MMORPG: a game where you roleplay with hundreds of people. That's just it. But some people can't understand that means roleplaying with everyone, at all times. Obviously you can't be everywhere, you can't talk to everyone at the same time and you can't give your attention to the game continuosly. But everytime your character is avaible in game, you should be roleplaying it with everyone around you at the moment.
If people understand this simple concept, PS will be alot more pleasant. And it will be standard, social, polite procedure to point those who don't roleplay too well towards guides and GMs who have both the knowledge to teach and the authority to claim their teachings as right. People will thank you when they get to roleplay better, instead of frowning at your because they think you're forcing them. And we all know it's not about forcing, it's just about telling people to do what is requested from all of us, so we all can have lots of fun.
I've posted this in a public forum. So my post is obviously targetted at everyone reading. If how I sound makes you want to challenge my ideas; all the better. That's exactly the point of discussions. I enjoy defending my ideas and I don't mind taking in new ones.
Taking the risk to be repeating myself too much, I'll try and put down my ideas even more explicitly: currently some people find roleplaying facultative and something you do with certain groups. People need to know there's nothing facultative about roleplaying in a roleplay game and that this mass of players is actually one big group.
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But everytime your character is avaible in game, you should be roleplaying it with everyone around you at the moment.
I believe this is a goal to strive for more than to achieve. It's understood that it's not possible but, not far off, either.
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Zanzibar wrote:
He's saying it a different way than others have in the past. Plus it's Sangwa who's saying it, and that counts for something. As far as the target audience, I would say personally that those who would benefit from reading his post are those who feel that they're "tolerating" roleplayers, when really it's the roleplayers who are tolerating disruptive players. I think we're too tolerant of disruptive behaviours, to be honest, and I think we're under no obligation to tolerate it from players who should know better.
This is why I gave up on RP in PS and have given up on PS. It seems to me to be an utter waste of time to RP when 3/4 of the people around you are talking about the latest cold play album or jumping around like drunk garden gnomes. What ever happened to enforcing RP on PS? There is far far too much tolerance of people who either don't know or donlt care what RP is. Kick them off, PS will be better off whithout them in the long run and there are plenty of free hack and slash powergaming mmorpg's for them to go to.
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This is why I gave up on RP in PS and have given up on PS. It seems to me to be an utter waste of time to RP when 3/4 of the people around you are talking about the latest cold play album or jumping around like drunk garden gnomes. What ever happened to enforcing RP on PS? There is far far too much tolerance of people who either don't know or donlt care what RP is. Kick them off, PS will be better off whithout them in the long run and there are plenty of free hack and slash powergaming mmorpg's for them to go to.
Have we been playing the same game? :sleeping:
And anyway, what are the chances that many people actually like coldplay :P
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This is why I gave up on RP in PS and have given up on PS. It seems to me to be an utter waste of time to RP when 3/4 of the people around you are talking about the latest cold play album or jumping around like drunk garden gnomes. What ever happened to enforcing RP on PS? There is far far too much tolerance of people who either don't know or donlt care what RP is. Kick them off, PS will be better off whithout them in the long run and there are plenty of free hack and slash powergaming mmorpg's for them to go to.
Hello !
I think now it is time to act on behalf of me and surely some others:
Dear RP-puritans !
PS is more than roleplay ! It also has quest in, and crafting is also part of this game as all the other game mechanics. So please also respect all these people who enjoy this side of PS.
Sunshine
PS: I would also not like to hear a discussion of RL issues in the game, but honestly I never saw one so far.
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So you would be a powerleveler? Urm your welcome to your fun but this is a RP game so no coldplay, comprende?
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For the last time; roleplay doesn't mean standing around doing nothing!!
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I sort of agree with you Sunshine. Im no great fan of partaking in RP constantly, sometimes I like to sit out of the way and talk to friends in group or guild chat. If someone approaches me and sas something I will gladly RP with them. But what i dont do is talk OOC in main chat if i can manage it. we all screw up sometimes and its not suprising, were all human afteralll. I doubt anyone in the game has never sent a message in the wrong channel.
I agree that ive never see anything in main chat that is majorly OOC other than the new players coming in and saying 'Help me, im new to this game, what can I do.' But that is to be expected. The 1st thing I try to teach them is about [] and the about private chat channels.
I know players who only come here to quest, they will disappear for 3 months at a time then reappear and complete all the available quests then leave again until more quests are added. I dont see that these people are in anyway damaging the game and are performing an important role in testing. Sometimes testing of a game cant be entirely IC, it would be stupid; 'Why are you constantly jumping at that wall?' How would a player/tester answer that other than [im testing the clipping on this bit of wall, I saw someone fall through it.] or whatever action is relevant. Tester first, player second. I think some people get that the wrong way around at times.
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What ever happened to enforcing RP on PS?
Platnya left the game and Hadfael is more concerned about banning longtime players or changing their names. Other GMs want to make a difference but 99.7% of their time is taken by false accusations of kill stealing.
As far as the players themselves enforcing RP, people are scared of offending anyone because they've seen what happens to people like me. If you confront a "noob" on something they're doing wrong, you risk causing trouble for yourself.
PS is more than roleplay ! It also has quest in, and crafting is also part of this game as all the other game mechanics. So please also respect all these people who enjoy this side of PS.
You're supposed to roleplay while you do quests and while you craft things. It's called "being in character". That's what roleplaying is.
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Zanzibar wrote:
You're supposed to roleplay while you do quests and while you craft things. It's called "being in character". That's what roleplaying is.
AMEN!!!
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PS is more than roleplay ! It also has quest in, and crafting is also part of this game as all the other game mechanics. So please also respect all these people who enjoy this side of PS.
See what I mean? How can you tell me that a roleplaying game is more than a game where you roleplay?
Idoru, doing nothing is one thing. Negligence is another.
I'm not saying most of the planeshifters aren't roleplayers. In fact, I'm glad with the common effort towards that way. I'm just pointing out that we have to perceive roleplay as the only kind of way to play a roleplay game. With this the community will make sure the roleplaying becomes even better in both quantity and quality.
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The DL/enki racist thing was a roleplay that was bending the rules of the setting. That's all.
But, I understand what you are saying.
whatcha mean?
I mean, I believe they were more angry at you being part of an RP which was contrary ( to a degree) to the setting and not as much because you are an evil character.
@Holdan: Because people still fail.
What setting is happening? I would love to see laanx sending armies after yliakum. Since that isnt happening, the rp was there and it was interesting so it kept up the interest. Actually alot of people dont know much about the roleplay settings of the game, and in my case they logged,reported and tried
to lecture me. which never worked. "There is no wrong roleplay".
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What setting is happening? I would love to see laanx sending armies after yliakum. Since that isnt happening, the rp was there and it was interesting so it kept up the interest. Actually alot of people dont know much about the roleplay settings of the game, and in my case they logged,reported and tried
to lecture me. which never worked. "There is no wrong roleplay".
Laanx created Yliakum. Why would she send armies to destroy it? Her people and her worshippers live there.
You do realize that Yliakum is the whole world, right? And Hydlaa is just the one city?
If you think there is no such thing as "wrong roleplay", then you have no clue what roleplaying is.
So you were doing something wrong, and people told you to stop doing it, and you decided to keep doing it anyway? How mature.
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Yes there is wrong roleplay :) Some things are outside of the settings of Yliakum. If you try to carry a cellphone, that is wrong roleplay. If you try to pretend Laanx did something s/he didn't, that is wrong roleplay. If you say that some races native to Yliakum enslave other races, that is wrong roleplay.
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See what I mean? How can you tell me that a roleplaying game is more than a game where you roleplay?
Idoru, doing nothing is one thing. Negligence is another.
I'm not saying most of the planeshifters aren't roleplayers. In fact, I'm glad with the common effort towards that way. I'm just pointing out that we have to perceive roleplay as the only kind of way to play a roleplay game. With this the community will make sure the roleplaying becomes even better in both quantity and quality.
Hmm, as a believer in the equal rights of all views, even those deemed 'wrong' by the majority (in this case RPers), I would have to contend with discriminating against those few who just like PS for the pretty colours. They have as much right to play as anyone else, until the Devs explicitly decide that liking the pretty colours is a bannable offence.
As an avid roleplayer, I'm inclined to agree that people who don't roleplay in PS at all would be better off in WoW or Runescape.
So I'm kinda on the fence for this one...
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I would have to contend with discriminating against those few who just like PS for the pretty colours. They have as much right to play as anyone else, until the Devs explicitly decide that liking the pretty colours is a bannable offence.
What would you think of someone that would enter a game of tennis with you just because they like rackets? That person wouldn't be playing tennis, it would be just staring at the racket all the time. Would you contend with such a person?
What would you think of someone that would enter a game of roleplay with you just because they like pretty colors? That person wouldn't be roleplaying, it would be just staring at the pretty colors all the time. Would you contend with such a person?
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What would you think of someone that would enter a game of roleplay with you just because they like pretty colors? That person wouldn't be roleplaying, it would be just staring at the pretty colors all the time. Would you contend with such a person?
Maybe they are playing an "special" character who is constantly astounded by the sights and sounds around them Are you certain it would not be role-playing? Perhaps they are aphasic. (http://m-w.com/dictionary/aphasic) Perhaps they are in a fugue, (http://209.161.33.50/dictionary/fugue) especially as a result of some RP trauma you do not necessarily know about.
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What would you think of someone that would enter a game of tennis with you just because they like rackets? That person wouldn't be playing tennis, it would be just staring at the racket all the time. Would you contend with such a person?
Hello !
To move on in your picture:
If the person joins the same tennis club as I do - why should I care (equally to: Loging in to PS)
If he sits around beside the courts or wanders around between them and admires his racket - why should I care (equally to: Using the PS game mechanics)
If he is just standing at the other side of my court and doing nothing - here I would care and ask him to move a few meters so that I can do what I want to now (equally to: OOC chat in main tab)
So live and let live !
Sunshine
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What would you think of someone that would enter a game of tennis with you just because they like rackets? That person wouldn't be playing tennis, it would be just staring at the racket all the time. Would you contend with such a person?
What would you think of someone that would enter a game of roleplay with you just because they like pretty colors? That person wouldn't be roleplaying, it would be just staring at the pretty colors all the time. Would you contend with such a person?
Yes and no. Yes because I would like to play tennis/roleplay with them. No because it's wrong to try and force them to. I might try to explain how to play tennis/roleplay, or even ask them to get off the court if they refuse, but I would never rip their racket away from them just because I believe they are not using it properly.
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What would you think of someone that would enter a game of roleplay with you just because they like pretty colors? That person wouldn't be roleplaying, it would be just staring at the pretty colors all the time. Would you contend with such a person?
Maybe they are playing an "special" character who is constantly astounded by the sights and sounds around them Are you certain it would not be role-playing? Perhaps they are aphasic. (http://m-w.com/dictionary/aphasic) Perhaps they are in a fugue, (http://209.161.33.50/dictionary/fugue) especially as a result of some RP trauma you do not necessarily know about.
An aphasic character will still receive impact from what is around it. It won't simply walk around without feeling the interaction of the environment as it looks to the pretty colors. Not roleplaying is very different. It's about not responding to the setting and other players when your character is made avaible and you're actively controlling it.
Example.
Aphasic
Sangwa uses his hands to stop the aphasic dude from breathing through the nose and mouth.
The Aphasic Dude responds, and instinctively shrugs off from Sangwa's hold.
Sangwa walks up to an aphasic dude and hugs it.
The Aphasic Dude does not respond.
I /tell the player and ask him "hey, are you away?" he /tells me "No. My dude is dead dumb."
Not roleplaying
Sangwa sees the lame roleplayer dude walking around the plaza. He approaches him and hugs it.
The lame roleplayer dude says "lol you huged me!" then leaves to the arena, or off to his questy things.
What would you think of someone that would enter a game of tennis with you just because they like rackets? That person wouldn't be playing tennis, it would be just staring at the racket all the time. Would you contend with such a person?
Hello !
To move on in your picture:
If the person joins the same tennis club as I do - why should I care (equally to: Loging in to PS)
If he sits around beside the courts or wanders around between them and admires his racket - why should I care (equally to: Using the PS game mechanics)
If he is just standing at the other side of my court and doing nothing - here I would care and ask him to move a few meters so that I can do what I want to now (equally to: OOC chat in main tab)
So live and let live !
Sunshine
PlaneShift has an online server. This online server would be what we consider the court in tennis. When you play PlaneShift you must be connected to the server, right? That's how you play this game. Just like you have to enter a court when you want to play tennis.
To be part of the club is simply getting an account.
EDIT: Emerald, who is talking of taking the racket away and slapping the person on the face? You should read the part where I said it would be standard procedure to nicely direct these dudes to guides and GMs.
Geez. Sometimes I feel you guys want to see me as a kind of villain.
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I don't think you are some kind of villain, although I do kind of wonder about people who go around hugging strangers, makes me want to check my poke to make sure nothing is missing. I do think you have an arbitrarily excessive idea as to what is roleplay but that is just me and you are free to do as you like. Personally, I like to use what the mechanics allow or are slated to allow in the future as the basis of what my character can do. Ultimately I think that to properly role play you have to accept the limitations set by the functionality provided. You say that you can prevent someone from breathing using you hands to cover their face but I doubt that will ever be implemented. It is something you can conceive of doing but the closest you can come to actually doing it is to make a melee attack which requires a /challenge. The same thing goes for hugging though it is more likely to get implemented someday in a non-combat manner. If you hug me without permission I would hope to be allowed to knock you arse over tea-kettle with no need for a challenge ... a melee attack and not a weapon attack. Come to think of it though, if I am evil I might want to just shank you.
I do not think getting bogged down in specifics is what was intended for this thread so I'll leave it at that, for the moment.
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It's not surprising why many are concerned with strict Role-Playing so much. No one wants to see "l337 d00dz" running around with names like "1mmag0nna Pwnj00", talking about being wasted in the main channel and calling everyone "n00bz".
People who want to avoid that usually flock to games or gaming servers that have an emphasis on Role-Playing. And that's completely understandable.
However, it also must be realized that there are some very uptight people in the Role-Playing crowd as well, who will try to report you for playing a not-so-nice character.
For example, if I am Role-Playing a character who looks like this (not necessarily my favorite type of character, it's just for example purposes)
(http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/3461/skullatronkj5.jpg)
And talks like this
Cower, brief mortal! Your pathetic human mewling matters not! Muahahaha!
No one can seriously expect me to say things like "How can I help you, dear sir?" instead. :)
One the other hand, if someone doesn't speak a very good English and responds to me with
I not understand. My English is not so good. Really sorry.
I won't bash them for not being an ideal Role-Player and let them be. Might even help them out, if they ask politely, and if I have some free time.
If they say
Sorry, I'm trying to figure out a quest right now
I'll simply say [no problem] and let them be.
What I'm seeing here from different opinions posted is basically that people don't want "l337 d00dz" or the uptight RP'ers, which really are just extreme examples of bad Role-Playing.
I think we basically are all in agreement here. :)
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as a believer in the equal rights of all views
Do you believe in reason? Do you believe in the ability of human beings to understand the world around them and to reach conclusions via proof? If so, then you cannot believe all views are equal.
If they are not all equal, then why should they all be given equal weight in our decision making?
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This is a discussion forum and not a decision making forum and while the developers take our input into consideration we, the players, do not make any decisions other than whether we want to play or not and how best to utilize the resources provided to us. Some people around here assume their every thought is golden and any disagreement is spurious at best. A healthy debate takes all thoughts into consideration as even misconceptions can bring to light a new way of seeing an old issue.
As far as the tennis court analogy goes I think it would be better stated as PS is a health club, you can play tennis, squash, weight train or possibly golf. Or you can just sit in the gallery or restaurant looking at hot sweaty people.
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This is a discussion forum and not a decision making forum and while the developers take our input into consideration we, the players, do not make any decisions other than whether we want to play or not and how best to utilize the resources provided to us. Some people around here assume their every thought is golden and any disagreement is spurious at best. A healthy debate takes all thoughts into consideration as even misconceptions can bring to light a new way of seeing an old issue.
I'm reading and rereading this paragraph in search for anything useful or relevant, and I simply cannot find anything. Help me out here.
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Do you believe in reason? Do you believe in the ability of human beings to understand the world around them and to reach conclusions via proof? If so, then you cannot believe all views are equal.
If they are not all equal, then why should they all be given equal weight in our decision making?
I'm reading and rereading this paragraph in search for anything useful or relevant, and I simply cannot find anything. Help me out here.
Fixed ;D
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Fixed
Emeraldfool said that he values all opinions equally, however this isn't always a good idea and I was explaining to him why that's so.
Anyway, if you're going to "fix" posts, it's supposed to be entertaining. You failed.:)
I encourage the mods to clean up this thread by deleting the last four posts, starting with Bilbous's and ending with this one.
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What setting is happening? I would love to see laanx sending armies after yliakum. Since that isnt happening, the rp was there and it was interesting so it kept up the interest. Actually alot of people dont know much about the roleplay settings of the game, and in my case they logged,reported and tried
to lecture me. which never worked. "There is no wrong roleplay".
Laanx created Yliakum. Why would she send armies to destroy it? Her people and her worshippers live there.
You do realize that Yliakum is the whole world, right? And Hydlaa is just the one city?
If you think there is no such thing as "wrong roleplay", then you have no clue what roleplaying is.
So you were doing something wrong, and people told you to stop doing it, and you decided to keep doing it anyway? How mature.
You misunderstood. The dermorian lords was not a wrongful roleplay in itself. What I am stating is many players consider this type of racism in game to affect people out of game. Take it as roleplay in character. . The dermorian lords, or the dwarvesbane roleplays were never in my eyes wrong roleplay. People reported me for the fact that we were kicking around enkiduai, [only roleplay]. In fact I remember a person saying I was promoting racism and slavery or something in real life. BS. For the matter quit the snide jokes on the side.
-by the way, responding to trolling only causes trolling, its cause and effect.
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You misunderstood. The dermorian lords was not a wrongful roleplay in itself. What I am stating is many players consider this type of racism in game to affect people out of game. Take it as roleplay in character. . The dermorian lords, or the dwarvesbane roleplays were never in my eyes wrong roleplay. People reported me for the fact that we were kicking around enkiduai, [only roleplay]. In fact I remember a person saying I was promoting racism and slavery or something in real life. BS. For the matter quit the snide jokes on the side.
My character has an ipod. Don't worry, it's only roleplay.
Some actions (http://hydlaa.com/smf/index.php?topic=27904.0) are outside the settings and as a result, disrupt the game for others. They're a problem. Not all roleplaying is ok.
-by the way, responding to trolling only causes trolling, its cause and effect.
Give me the ability to delete posts and I'll stop tsk tsking at the ones that don't belong.
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as a believer in the equal rights of all views
Do you believe in reason? Do you believe in the ability of human beings to understand the world around them and to reach conclusions via proof? If so, then you cannot believe all views are equal.
If they are not all equal, then why should they all be given equal weight in our decision making?
No, I do not believe in 'reason' as you believe it to be. Your 'proof' is another man's meaningless garble. I believe that just because another man doesn't understand, he is not necessarily at fault. He is entitled to his view, even if you - or everyone else in the world for that matter - deem it as 'wrong'.
I think we have just as much to learn from 'crazy', or 'special' people as they have from us. And I'm not talking about running tests and extracting data - I mean their outlooks on life are often far more healthy than actual "mentally healthy" people...
So yes, I believe they are equal to me.
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Some actions are outside the settings and as a result, disrupt the game for others. They're a problem. Not all roleplaying is ok.
Agreed. And I will add that cheap answers to roleplay, such as racist scenarios, have an underlying element of agression to them that no amount of casual debate is going to dispell. Comes under the heading of bringing IRL problems into PS, and attempting to mask them as roleplay.
Your 'proof' is another man's meaningless garble.
A proof is a proof. If it is garble, then either it is not a proof, or one simply refuses to believe. When we speak of reason, or scientific proof, it is not an opinion. Is light a wave or a particle? We could debate on it endlessly, but opinions do not count, only how it behaves when tested counts. There are real proofs, Em, and reason is not a matter of opinion. (This would be better in a separate thread, I think)
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I couldn't agree more with both those statements. People that can't come up with something that fits the settings shouldn't come up with anything. Better to keep your mouth shut than drag in things that have no place.
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It seems to me that any real life situation is fair game for role playing, the problem comes from trying strip it down to its underlying principle so as to fit it into the settings. In some cases it may not be possible, in others it might take months of careful preparation. That being said, this is supposed to be a family friendly game so some themes will be inappropriate at any time.
The above is proof that you can use a lot of words to say nothing much.
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this is supposed to be a family friendly game so some themes will be inappropriate at any time.
Addams family might disagree. Just kidding. ;)
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bilbous, I know you are father and want protect your children from the evil of this world and yada yada yada. But i find it damn annoying, because from one side your kids will be somewhat ok and from other side i won't have fun. You know, people don't play policeman to track and chase lollipops stealers. People are getting murdered from time to time and i want these murderers to be player characters, coz not only some people want to play them, but it's faster and better for game experience if it is not controlled by computer AI (which just can't be good enough by its definition).
I want to compete there, feel danger and consequences of loosing when I'm up to competing. And it is done by nasty tricks, which you would for sure consider bad for your children.
I'm not saying that my character would do all he evil of this world. He would in fact try to stay on the good side, but for it being enjoyable we need the really bad guys too.
In fact I don't care at all if some kids in this game would suffer from too cruel RP from time to time. If they would, maybe it would be better for them to not start playing in the first place. This also doesnt mean i don't care about chldren at all. If there is need i can play with them in monopoly or something. A game for them. But if you are worried about your kids, then don't let them play games about murder and alike (of course if you can^^) and PS is one of them.
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You see alot of worse things happening on the News- than you see in game. Maybe PS is a good way to introdce children to how crappy the real world can be :)
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Somewhere in the world people are killing eachother right now ... hey I know, lets teach kids at kindergarten how to shoot a gun. Prepare them for what might happen.
Excellent mentality there :whistling:
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Actually, I don't have any kids I know about and I wasn't particularly speaking about violence in general. I was thinking more about sexually explicit role-play. I would not be particularly happy to walk around a corner and come across an enkidukai orgy, although from the racial description that would appear to be something fairly commonplace for them. Of course being a sexless kran I might misunderstand what was happening and wade in with my iron axe and "save" whoever was at the bottom. :-[
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Actually, I don't have any kids I know about and I wasn't particularly speaking about violence in general. I was thinking more about sexually explicit role-play. I would not be particularly happy to walk around a corner and come across an enkidukai orgy, although from the racial description that would appear to be something fairly commonplace for them. Of course being a sexless kran I might misunderstand what was happening and wade in with my iron axe and "save" whoever was at the bottom. :-[
Where do you get such ideas from? Are you aware that what you just said may "inspire" some people for hardcore stuff in the game?
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Somewhere in the world people are killing eachother right now ... hey I know, lets teach kids at kindergarten how to shoot a gun. Prepare them for what might happen.
Excellent mentality there :whistling:
I think you must be misunderstanding the difference between knowing what is happening and being taught how to do something about it.
Actually, I don't have any kids I know about and I wasn't particularly speaking about violence in general. I was thinking more about sexually explicit role-play. I would not be particularly happy to walk around a corner and come across an enkidukai orgy, although from the racial description that would appear to be something fairly commonplace for them. Of course being a sexless kran I might misunderstand what was happening and wade in with my iron axe and "save" whoever was at the bottom. :-[
Dammit, another reason to curse being a Kran. I laughed alot at that last line :D
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"The Enkidukai race maintains its wild nature. They live in packs controlled by the male who is strongest..." would suggest that their sexual mores would be uncontained. I am not sure but I seem to recall that there was some suggestive descriptions that have since been removed from the enkdukai race page. Perhaps it was all in my head.
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"The Enkidukai race maintains its wild nature. They live in packs controlled by the male who is strongest..." would suggest that their sexual mores would be uncontained. I am not sure but I seem to recall that there was some suggestive descriptions that have since been removed from the enkdukai race page. Perhaps it was all in my head.
P1: The Enkidukai race maintains its wild nature.
P2: If a race retains their wild nature, their sexual mores are more uncontained.
C: The Enkidukai race's sexual mores are more uncontained.
I don't think the second postulate is viable. There are many civilized societies which are very sexually free. The Greeks and the modern Western world are examples. There are also many primitive societies which are not sexually free. And there are civilized societies which aren't at all sexually free (the Islamic world) and there are many primitive societies which are very sexually free.
So I don't think you can make a generalization or rule here.
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I don't think the second postulate is viable. There are many civilized societies which are very sexually free. The Greeks and the modern Western world are examples. There are also many primitive societies which are not sexually free. And there are civilized societies which aren't at all sexually free (the Islamic world) and there are many primitive societies which are very sexually free.
So I don't think you can make a generalization or rule here.
I'm trying not to bring Freud or psychology into this, but humans in general are sexual beings. No set of social rules or laws can rein in the raw sexuality humans possess - everything, body and mind, is designed around the sexual act. I could go through all aspects of humanity and find a link to sex in every one (from music to facial structure), but I fear I may be constrained by the 20,000 character limit :P
The point is, omitting sex from Yliakum is totally unnatural. I'm not talking about orgies here, but pretending sex is a foreign concept, or is something uncommon, would make me - and anyone else who cares about realism - cry :P Sure, you might say Yliakum's inhabitants think differently to humans, but that means the Settings Devs would have to invent a totally new mental structure (something no one could possibly do) and it would then be OOC to think like a human. And it's not possible for us, as humans, not to think like that....
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Invoking Freud tends to hurt an argument rather than help it. His work and influence is important to understand because of the influence it had on Western intellectual thought, but his theories are largely bunk.
There can be sex in Yliakum without anything explicit.
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Are all beings cloned?
Of course there is sex! Just one thing.
Due to an OOC thing called ESRB sex will be OOCly dropped from RPing(although cutting away phrases like "I had love with *name*" would be too much as kids wouldn't get it anyway), but that doesn't mean that we should presume a stork brings the babies :P
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I must have dazed out from the part from roleplaying into sex. I know people do the cyber sex in planeshift, its roleplay, in fact some Rp could made for wenches etc. but its a sensitive topic as explained by a Gm to me. We dont roleplay the modern technologies and styles in planeshift, its the medieval area, no ipods, laptops, but there was racism, wenches, friars, assasins, mercenaries, armies, wars.
If Ps were made of mature enough people to handle these things then there wouldnt be much of a problem doing RP.
[btw, I have some idea for Rp, involves romance, war [no racism], blackmail and framing, not written out!!! let me know if you want in, just need some big Rp in ps.]
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I must have dazed out from the part from roleplaying into sex. I know people do the cyber sex in planeshift, its roleplay, in fact some Rp could made for wenches etc. but its a sensitive topic as explained by a Gm to me. We dont roleplay the modern technologies and styles in planeshift, its the medieval area, no ipods, laptops, but there was racism, wenches, friars, assasins, mercenaries, armies, wars.
If Ps were made of mature enough people to handle these things then there wouldnt be much of a problem doing RP.
[btw, I have some idea for Rp, involves romance, war [no racism], blackmail and framing, not written out!!! let me know if you want in, just need some big Rp in ps.]
Racism in PS is against the rules.
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I must have dazed out from the part from roleplaying into sex. I know people do the cyber sex in planeshift, its roleplay, in fact some Rp could made for wenches etc. but its a sensitive topic as explained by a Gm to me. We dont roleplay the modern technologies and styles in planeshift, its the medieval area, no ipods, laptops, but there was racism, wenches, friars, assasins, mercenaries, armies, wars.
If Ps were made of mature enough people to handle these things then there wouldnt be much of a problem doing RP.
[btw, I have some idea for Rp, involves romance, war [no racism], blackmail and framing, not written out!!! let me know if you want in, just need some big Rp in ps.]
Racism in PS is against the rules.
bit of a lapse in rules lately...like for 4 years hahaha.
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Want to expand on that?
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Racism in PS is against the rules.
You are talking about OOC racism, I suppose. Or do you mean RPing racism too?
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Racism in PS is against the rules.
You are talking about OOC racism, I suppose. Or do you mean RPing racism too?
I was refering to RPing racism, actually, but neither are allowed.
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Racism in PS is against the rules.
You are talking about OOC racism, I suppose. Or do you mean RPing racism too?
I was refering to RPing racism, actually, but neither are allowed.
Never heard of that, last time I read PS storyline was 3 years ago.
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Never heard of that, last time I read PS storyline was 3 years ago.
The settings haven't changed since I started playing, so...
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Never heard of that, last time I read PS storyline was 3 years ago.
The settings haven't changed since I started playing, so...
I dont even remember, I do remember something about laanx getting burned. Mebe ill take a minute to read up on it, if I feel like it
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I dont even remember, I do remember something about laanx getting burned. Mebe ill take a minute to read up on it, if I feel like it
Naw, don't bother. It's an RPG - the settings don't matter.
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It is funny to me how the RPers in this thread bitch about how 75% of the people in-game talk OOCly and "ruin things" while simultaneously believing that the RPers are the majority, tolerating the PLing/OOC minority. Which is it?
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RPGs are called that not because they enable everyone to pretend to duel and pretend to be fair maidens or whatever.
RPGs are a distinct genre of game because character skills/stats are more important than player skills and knowledge at playing the game. Player skill is all that matters in most games, from Civ4 to PacMan to Gears of War to Chess. This is the classic way games have been designed through the ages.
In RPGs, the skills and stats of your character (no matter your personal expertise at the game) determine the objectives and outcomes of practically everything you do. A person with 1000 hrs of Final Fantasy, or someone who has solved every Zelda game, still has to start the next one as a "beginner" again and work up to the big bosses. This is the defining trait of an RPG.
In this way, anyone who creates a character and logs into PS is necessarily, and by definition, RPing. Their chat may not be IC/OO-compliant or whatever, but their actual gameplay is per se RPing, because the server controls their stats, which affect every outcome in the game. Explaining what the words in the acronym "MMORPG" stand for proves nothing.
- Vengeance
No double posting you. :P --Neko.
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It is funny to me how the RPers in this thread bitch about how 75% of the people in-game talk OOCly and "ruin things" while simultaneously believing that the RPers are the majority, tolerating the PLing/OOC minority. Which is it?
The "RPers" are not claiming to be the majority. They're claiming to be a righteous minority who is tolerating a disruptive majority of largely transient players.
In this way, anyone who creates a character and logs into PS is necessarily, and by definition, RPing. Their chat may not be IC/OO-compliant or whatever, but their actual gameplay is per se RPing, because the server controls their stats, which affect every outcome in the game. Explaining what the words in the acronym "MMORPG" stand for proves nothing.
Ok, but does that mean I'm allowed to (as my character) flaunt an iPod in game?
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It is funny to me how the RPers in this thread bitch about how 75% of the people in-game talk OOCly and "ruin things" while simultaneously believing that the RPers are the majority, tolerating the PLing/OOC minority. Which is it?
The "RPers" are not claiming to be the majority. They're claiming to be a righteous minority who is tolerating a disruptive majority of largely transient players.
In this way, anyone who creates a character and logs into PS is necessarily, and by definition, RPing. Their chat may not be IC/OO-compliant or whatever, but their actual gameplay is per se RPing, because the server controls their stats, which affect every outcome in the game. Explaining what the words in the acronym "MMORPG" stand for proves nothing.
Ok, but does that mean I'm allowed to (as my character) flaunt an iPod in game?
Well, Im not messing with vengeance, why you might ask? hence his name his vengeance. Besides, arguing with people as stubborn as I am wont get anywhere, so I'm going out with 3 words everyone, now pay attention, it will help you in a argument, "LET IT GO". :-X
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Well, Im not messing with vengeance, why you might ask? hence his name his vengeance. Besides, arguing with people as stubborn as I am wont get anywhere, so I'm going out with 3 words everyone, now pay attention, it will help you in a argument, "LET IT GO". :-X
I feel that Vengeance misunderstands what I and others are trying to say. That's all it is.