PlaneShift
Gameplay => In-Game Roleplay Events => Topic started by: Suvok on August 14, 2007, 01:34:08 pm
-
[Correct me if I am wrong, but this seems like a very hard RP to pull off. You know, with the gods not being around and all that. Suvok is confuzzled as to what this entails.]
-
(I'm assuming this isn't just as an uprising of Atheism, people fighting the organised religion in Yliakum and claiming the gods don't exist.
Instead this seems to be a group who actually wants to fight the gods, they acknowledge to exist ... in that case, I agree with Suvok. This RP is doomed to fail, either because of a lack of opposition or OOC squabbling.
What I'm afraid of though, especially from Coneitic ... is that this whole ordeal is an OOC attack on the Devs, disguised as poorly set up IC RP :P)
-
LOL
you too make me laugh. this wasnt even my idea. i knew if my name was in it i would be doomed to fail. guess i need to make an alt.
you guys dont even understand... atheism? we believe fully in the gods and their powers. way to encourage rp. i knew this would all lead to personal attacks. what you dont understand... is that i fully understand the difference from IC and OOC. and if you can catch me making that mistake.... i'll paypal you 20 dollars. and i stand by that fully. what is so hard to pull off? a revolt against the gods? ya thats a tuffy. leading others to belive what we believe... god .. and you just proved to me that you cannot distinguish ooc from ic. so way to go..... personal opinions effecting your charactor... bad rp FTW!!!!!!!
duraza.. gwinn... i'll drop out of this rp, sorry but now people are just going to take my opinions in real life and transfer them to coneitic. good luck and maybe i'll aid you with an alt.. guess coneitic has to die. maybe this is why UTM goes through so many alts.
[ No attacking anyone on this forum. --Karyuu ]
-
[ I wonder just how IC it is to shout about training and quests in the plaza. ]
-
[I'd love to join in as a God and smite all your characters back to pre-creation :P]
-
[Sorry have had computer problems so I haven't been able to get online for a couple days.
(I'm assuming this isn't just as an uprising of Atheism, people fighting the organised religion in Yliakum and claiming the gods don't exist.
Instead this seems to be a group who actually wants to fight the gods, they acknowledge to exist ... in that case, I agree with Suvok. This RP is doomed to fail, either because of a lack of opposition or OOC squabbling.
What I'm afraid of though, especially from Coneitic ... is that this whole ordeal is an OOC attack on the Devs, disguised as poorly set up IC RP :P)
Its really a combination...We agree that all the gods do exist but we don't believe in the powers they have, that they are truely "immortal." Read the link and the post that are there about a book "supposedly" written by a god named Tiren (I do know there is no real Tiren is PS). That should help to show you insight on our beliefs. That anything the gods can do can be done by mortals if we can find the right key to it in magic. And no this isn't an ooc attack from Coneitic, this rp came from some of my past thoughts and was combined with some of Gwinn and Coneitic's ideas.
duraza.. gwinn... i'll drop out of this rp, sorry but now people are just going to take my opinions in real life and transfer them to coneitic. good luck and maybe i'll aid you with an alt.. guess coneitic has to die.
If you can't aid us its no problem Coneitic. We will just have to carry on without you :P
[I'd love to join in as a God and smite all your characters back to pre-creation :P]
Catch me if you can :P ]
-
Think you owe Karyuu 20 bucks there, Coneitic.
-
?????? training and quest arent IC? you dont see a trainer to train skills? you dont go on quest IC? are you serious? so quest and training is all OOC? wow... are we playing the same game... you guys should download planeshift and try it.
-
You go on a quest IC, but "quest" itself is an OOC word in many cases. When you're shouting something about throwing down your quests, you're making it seem very much like an OOC game term - people don't go on "quests" for one another unless it involves a long and arduous journey. People do tasks for each other, run messages, etc. Besides, just how logical is it to tell people to give up training? Characters train themselves because their lifestyles demand it. A hunter practices her stealth and agility. A mercenary practices his swordmanship. A mage studies to unlock greater powers. So when you shout that people should stop doing this, it makes absolutely no sense.
*edited to add*
"Are these just gods? many have spilled blood on my dagger, my sacks full of trias from victums, yet i see no justice? I stand before you today free of prosecution, free of fear."
Maybe you should keep this to yourself - the gods may not strike you directly, but plenty of lawful people in Yliakum would be very happy to take justice into their own hands at your daring. Why should they listen to someone who has killed and stolen, and is evidently unafraid of shouting this in the plaza of Yliakum's capitol? ::)
-
what is so wrong about selling people propaganda? because it doesnt work well with your idea of an rp? i guess i dont get it, everyone refer's to them as quest IC or OOC... always have. i say stop training yourself because ultimately you will turn it on your fellow citizens.. is that so wrong to say? instead of looking at things from outside the game look at them from inside the game. Coneitic walks around the plaza seeing people running back and forth and talking about finishing quest for certain trainers and merchants. he sees people fighiting rouges to practice moves and styles people learned from a trainer. he thinks this is just a maze the gods put us through to ammuse them. i dont understand how you guys can possible not see how this is rp. its all spoken and done through the eyes of our charactors... and now im not even in it.
and i'll stand in that plaza all day with auto accept on and yell this stuff. you know why? because know one cares anymore. they are worried about their quest or their life, or whos their next girlfriend in game. lol i spoke that to many and not one cared to seek justice. and whatever happend to telling stories.. i might have been lying just to feed the people reasons to listen more?
you really should get in the game and rp more karyuu.
-
Coneitic. I agree completely.
Recently my character has gotten confused by the names hovering over people. They are ingame so, they must be IC, right?
And by these different ways to talk. And how he can hear what seem to be whispers from miles away. /tells are ingame, so, they must be IC right?
You said throw down your trade skills
I'm pretty sure saying "reject your cars" qualifies as more IC than that ;)
-
what?
trade skills are ooc? you dont have a trade in the game? you dont have skills in the game? if your trade is mining and you have the skill thats ooc?
once again you guys are pro at taking single words and lines and turning the whole paragraph into it.
im going to stop talking now.. your last replay really shows your intellegence and ability to comprehend what you read. maybe this is why all the great rpers stopped reading the forums. with the exception of maybe 2.
most people use /tells as IC..... "/me leans in and whispers in *name's* ear"
thats a little to much for you to comprehend tho, maybe in a few years. if i talk to someone in /tells its usually ooc... unless its an in charactor whisper.. but hey you know me better.
i say throw down my trade skill you and you say "reject your cars" is more IC?
lemme quote this exactly.
You said throw down your trade skills
I'm pretty sure saying "reject your cars" qualifies as more IC than that
i want everyone to see this and remember you said this. so that it may carry over to all your opinions on the game.
what i said....
Your devotion, your worship, your trade skills and quest, they mean nothing to the true power you posses."
guess you dont have trades in ps...
-
...
I was being sarcastic, Connie.
"Your trade" would have been IC.
"Your job", "Your profession" all would have been IC.
Your Trade skills, on the other hand is pretty OOC.
Quests are as Karyuu said, long and challenging journeys with goals. The quest for the holy grail, for instance. The quest to bring Brado two eyes is a job.
It's quite obvious you were talking about the OOC quest mechanic.
"I have seen the power of them and am not afraid, they only use our power against us! We are mere puppets in their play and the time for revolution has come"
I'm assuming you are talking about Laanx has shot down so and so in the plaza for such and such. This is pretty OOC. If you go through the settings you'll see very very little evidence of the gods using powers against people.
"We have the gods to blame for that," Coneitic says while holding his claymore.
This line just makes no sense. Unless you are talking about the change in game mechanics? That would be OOC.
"Your prayerss and ignorance to the so called quest and training only further their amusement."
How is that not talking about the game mechanics?
-
Ok...I haven't been ingame because of computer problems so I don't know what exactly is going on with this rp but from the sounds of it you are taking Coneitic's previous posts about the game and its mechanics and trying to make it sound as if his rp is just repeating the same thing. Now I'm only going to say this once but please try to understand that this RP was in the making before Coneitic started the many threads about Questing and Game Mechanics and rp...I just did not have the right amount of people to actually start doing anything productive ingame without being by myself. Then Coneitic came (along with Gwinn) and they helped to put the RP into action. Yes the rp can easily be made to sound like an attack on the game, as I've heard many times. However if someone says they aren't attacking the game doesn't that mean they aren't? Can you really say that you know Coneitic is trying to make all that OOC stuff IC? Unless you are him or you can read minds I highly doubt it.
Why is trade skills OOC? Your skills at a certain trade? Thats all that phrase is saying. Yes its worded in a way that easily allows one to assume that he's talking OOC but does that mean its meant. Take a look at some of Coneitic's posts. Does he always word things in the most well thought out way? (And no offense to you Coneitic :P ). As he even sometimes mentions he does not take the time to think of something, then go through and make it sound more acceptable. So what does that conclude? That possibly because he has all those other posts on his mind he's wording things in that way because its the first thing that comes to mind. I mean technically none of the things he said can't be taken ICly. You are just making a point to try and pick at any OOCness you can find in them.
As I said none of us can look into Coneitic's mind so none of us can say what hes doing. However if he says he isn't doing something than assume it so, its that simple. Also as I've said before if this rp bugs you then ignore it. Its better to deal with it in an IC manner for the fact that it still is IC then to complain about it OOCly because of arguments that happened in the past.
-
I haven't read most of Connies posts about game mechanics.
The only way that I see this as not being an attack to the game mechanics is if Connie is playing a very ignorant and, to be fair, stupid character.
Otherwise, it's looking very much like it's OOC.
-
Those whom the Gods would destroy, They first make mad. I personally do not see much wrong with the role play but I do think it is kind of self-destructive in a way where the characters have little hope of returning to any kind of normal PS existence. They are off to the mothership, drinking koolaid with Jimmy Jones. The leader may find a way to go on but only if he is operating in the background drawing the followers down the garden path.
I, myself have floated the idea that the gods were nothing more than extremely powerful sorcerers on the forum and once or twice in the game. At a certain level of power it is indistinguishable. They may not be actual gods but they might as well be for all the difference it makes to the players.
I think part of the problem the role play is addressing is that there are few if any players playing the part of true believers learning all they can from the priests and spreading the word. The biggest problem I see with the role play is that the world is not well enough developed functionally and settings wise for the player opposition it so desperately calls for.
But then I have seen nothing of it in game.
-
The problem with the RP, besides the many OOC references I still see. Is that it has nowhere to go.
The 'Gods' you are speaking of are controlled by the Devs, all this RP will do is slowly flounder away until one Devs gets so annoyed with it that he comes in and smites all the nonbelievers. So, what does it accomplish besides distracting a Dev for a little while?
It's an RP that is based completely off the OOC time limitations of the Devs. If you can not see that, I'd recommend trying out another game.
-
I think the rebellion, for as far as I've seen, is a plausible roleplay. All it needs is a GM tutoring it, realism and a mature attitude from its players, who should have their characters sent off to the crystal (ie permanently dead).
Talad would make short work of anyone bullying his Hydlaa. Or Laanx could do it. I've seen it take care of some people...
Devs would surely not get involved in it. GMs can make up a false godly appearance and get the show done with. I actually think it's a good idea, that'd show future generations. Considering the punishment is what I've told, I doubt there would be much people repeating the feat.
-
I still think petrification would be a suitable result. Re-animation might be a good basis for them to become the nucleus of just such a core of true believers as is missing. It would likely require the services of one of the RP GMs to effect such an occurrence and the cooperation of the current players but it could be that if none of them wanted to play such an on-going role that the re-animation would fail. That said I would assume that such a plot would unfold only if one or more were willing to be enlightened and if none were the petrified PCs would rapidly erode so as to not become a permanent part of the scenery.
-
"Are these just gods? many have spilled blood on my dagger, my sacks full of trias from victums, yet i see no justice? I stand before you today free of prosecution, free of fear."
Maybe you should keep this to yourself - the gods may not strike you directly, but plenty of lawful people in Yliakum would be very happy to take justice into their own hands at your daring. Why should they listen to someone who has killed and stolen, and is evidently unafraid of shouting this in the plaza of Yliakum's capitol? ::)
The case is that they can't do anything about it... because the government of Yilakum protects equally everyone: believers and atheists, faithful and heathen. Maybe you can be challenged to duel... but that's not the same as a good old-style lynching.
-
lol all who want to rp please be sure to run it by waylander. make sure he approves of it. or you have to deal with his "nu uh" attitude. words of wisdom
and ummmmmm did we forget the word propaganda? whoever said you had to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you laanx?
ever think maybe i exagerated and falsified statements just get more attention from the crowd?
you really need to learn how to rp, waylander. you cant even understand ooc and IC.
it is a self destruction. this is the end of coneitic. it was the end of eid.. again and i dont think gwinn would be around much longer. as for duraza thats his decision.
what better way to go out than to curse the gods who supposedly gave us life?
once again attacks because of my ooc opinion. constant "nu uh".
learn to rp.
-
The case is that they can't do anything about it... because the government of Yilakum protects equally everyone: believers and atheists, faithful and heathen. Maybe you can be challenged to duel... but that's not the same as a good old-style lynching.
I didn't say anything about belief systems - the guards will investigate anyone openly shouting that they have killed and stolen, and it's good RP to take that into consideration. Especially if you're shouting in the plaza, where not only players but NPCs (which you must consider as part of the world) might get you reported. A normal person isn't going to stand up tall and yell "I killed people!" ;) You have to be pretty suicidal.
The thing is Coneitic, the gods aren't going to do anything. It's a dead-end RP. There won't be any smiting, no one is going to hit your character with a holy lightning bolt, and things will be pretty uneventful because Laanx and Talad have bigger issues to consider as deities. So where are you going with it?
-
this seems to have turned into a negative argument rather than a positive RP...i hate to see it go, it was gonna be funny
just a question Coneitic: Are you always ticked or just on the forums?
-
True... Why would Talad and Laanx bother with something that could be taken by the Guard, or by people's common sense.
As long as the Guard sends someone to the Crystal. I want to witness one of those. :P
Oops. Wrong account. My bad -_-.
-
The above post falls under my responsibility.
-
lol all who want to rp please be sure to run it by waylander. make sure he approves of it. or you have to deal with his "nu uh" attitude. words of wisdom
This would be the first RP I've ever denounced on the forums, Coneitic. And you still haven't addressed my point, instead, you are ignoring. Not surprising, to be honest, seeing as they are all quite valid and make you look more like somebody screaming for attention than somebody hoping to make a good RP. To be honest, the majority of people I've talked to seem to believe you are much more the former.
you really need to learn how to rp, waylander. you cant even understand ooc and IC.
Ignoring the fact that you've yet to explain the three very OOC comments I quoted you making. I'd like to point out that I've been playing this game for four years and have only got a complaint from Valorius. If anything, that just proves how well I RP.
it is a self destruction. this is the end of coneitic. it was the end of eid.. again and i dont think gwinn would be around much longer. as for duraza thats his decision.
Ah, so you are just out to look like a martyr... As I said, somebody screaming for attention.
once again attacks because of my ooc opinion. constant "nu uh".
learn to rp.
Alright. You keep saying that I have this constant "nu uh" thing. Even after agreeing with you in the Imperial Guard thread. This need to be straightened out.
For the most part, I encourage people. Usually with a "meh" or "yeah sure" attitude.
But this goes far beyond "nu uh". Right now, my feeling towards this RP is more along the lines of "Wow...Hahahahaha! I can't believe somebody is doing this. Please, oh please, delete his character. It would be great! Just say the gods did it."
Read over my posts, Connie, I pointed out three comments you made that were OOC and then showed how your RP was false.
So far you have come up with "Nu uh"
Does anybody else see his inability to confront the issue?
-
I think we should all take a deep breath and refrain from getting too personal here. RP or no RP, respect is in short enough supply in the world without making out that any of this more important than it actually is. And the gods do not care anyway.
-
duraza already spoke of the three points you made wayland and did an excellent job.
and kayruu, thats where the problems are starting. you are reading it and jumping to conclusion. this is far from a dead end rp. with goals you have yet to see. your just going on what someone might have heard walking down the plaza. if you would like to know every detail, every turn, the final ending. then you have to take that up with duraza. again everyones asking me and its duraza's rp.
whatever happend to reading a book till the end and making a decision? when did reading the first page of a book become all you need to start attacking it?
-
He addressed one point and said that he doesn't (he can't) know what you are talking about.
I don't see that as addressing.
I replied with this
The only way that I see this as not being an attack to the game mechanics is if Connie is playing a very ignorant and, to be fair, stupid character.
Otherwise, it's looking very much like it's OOC.
To which nobody has yet replied.
That leaves many more points that have yet to be addressed.
If a PS book started off with "Stop training and doing quests" I'd criticize it before reading it until the end. I think most people would do the same.
-
yes coneitic is very stupid. he always has been. he has only been after trias for the longest time. never tried to gain an education... never tried to learn about the world. he attacked whomever he thought would have a sack full of trias. many know this. he has been beat up so many times. it was almost enjoying when he lost fights. he never thought about what he was doing or made plans. just went with the flow which was very stupid considering his plans were mostly thefts, killings and kidnappings.
-
I still don't understand where you hope to go with this RP, Duraza.
You are denouncing the gods, that means you can either go on two branches.
The first, the gods do something, this is distracting people who have much more important things to do. GMs are not allowed to play gods without the permission of Talad himself and if it's a Dev then it's more directly interrupting the development of PlaneShift. Along with the fact that if the Devs do something, other people will seek to have them in their RPs.
The second, the gods do nothing. This will be completely because the Devs do not have the time to do something because they are too busy working and making PlaneShift. This is using their OOC restraints as a central piece of your IC RP. That's like me going about robbing people when it's 5AM their time. The can't stop me, so why can't I do it?
You see my point?
-
lol think broader.... there are like numourous ways you can go with this...seeing as how its the opening. maybe u''ll just have to wait untill the rp continues on. also your thinking too OOC for this rp.
-
A general FYI:
There's a statement from Luca about the activity of gods like Laanx and Talad, and the word is that they do not interact with the daily world, although it does not influence the faith of believers (just as it works in the real world).
What I can say is that Talad and Laanx, the two main gods, are currently away from the lands for a specific task given by greater gods, they are learning and, if they manage to understand something of it, they will probably be back with some news to hydlaa people. There is a hidden full greater scale of events compared to the one that players are seeing now.
Source (http://news.mmosite.com/data/p/u/2006/03/24/194048044.html????%22/data/I/n/2006/03/28/657802210.html%22????)
Previous Laanx/Talad impersonations by GMs no longer hold true - much like everything else, Settings is in development and things do have a way of changing. So if this is a bit hard to adjust to for some, just keep in mind that more and more things are being fleshed out and determined officially.
Hope this helps future RPs.
-
lol think broader.... there are like numourous ways you can go with this...seeing as how its the opening. maybe u''ll just have to wait untill the rp continues on. also your thinking too OOC for this rp.
you keep saying that this RP is sooooo much deeper than we think it is, but i dont see it. just tell me where i can find this "deeper meaning" and i will be happy...maybe. i can already see you saying i havent read your post all the way thorough, but i have. several times. maybe im just stupid, but i see others with the same opinion.
-
I'm guessing you all dont see the point of this rp, the reason your saying it has a dead end. I'm not expecting Laanx to start talking to me every time I talk. Infact I rather not have her do so. The fact that it happened was just odd luck.
I was hoping not to have to tell the purpose of this rp. The fact is its much more "layered" than you think and if I tell you now it ruins the whole point when I can finally get back ingame (getting my computer fixed) to really make it intresting. You could simply find out where I'm going with this by reading about some of my old guilds, and the Organization Duraza was trying to start up before he left Hydlaa for a bit. I rather not tell you unless its ICLy but lets just say theres much more to this rp then just yelling at the gods. It really has more to do with the people who are hearing the words, not any hopes that the gods do ;). It is an rp so I won't reveal anything to you yet unless its IC. You want details? Then you'll just have to wait. I rather have people enjoy the rp then spend my time giving everything away just to prove everyone wrong. Its not important to me :P
-
I can't see the point of this discussion. This is a rebellious effort taken by rebellious characters against gods. Hydlaa's Guard would be more than capable to deal with a bunch of rogues, should they pester the townsmen. Why should we even consider the Gods acting? In fact, I believe the displeasure of the ordered guilds would be enough to throw them down.
Despite the words Coneitic used, that I agree demonstrate a flaw in his In Character perception, the Role Play itself is valid and capable of being played out. Plus it was initiated by another, so his post can be seen like his own flaw, not the plot's. I also believe it to be quite rude to publicly bully someone over their Role Play abilities. The right approach would be to privately counsel or discuss with him about it. Everyone here is trying to improve their gaming experience by improving themselves, we should help each other in the less abrasive way possible.
EDIT: Removed a joke. Added the following:
We have no interest to know about your role play before it starts. Just interested to know if there's something wrong with it as it is. Currently there doesn't seem to be. But if you start owning minds again, I'll get mad.
EDIT: Improved wording of the above sentence.
-
But if you start owning minds again, I'll get mad.
Actually I've taken away Duraza's ability to control someones mind...After giving it some thought I felt it too much power without enough consequence. Since I haven't been able to think of a suitable way to change it and a reason RP wise for why Duraza would use a different technique I stopped using it. My IC reason is Duraza's old age (if you get the chance to read his description). He's much older and a less capable fighter leaving him unable to use the mind control thing.
Just a note. If you really pay attention you can realize I just left another clue to the rp in that paragraph ;)
-
Another point I'd like to bring up ...
"All the Talad's efforts to make the Diaboli his followers failed. The Diaboli were inclined to disappear whenever someone began to discuss about religion."
"On the other hand, they avoid holy places as they feel uncomfortable in them. It's quite rare to meet a Diabolo inside a temple, apart from the imprisoned ones. They diligently try to avoid sacred objects: holy weapons are devastating against them."
With Duraza being a Diaboli, if I'm not mistaken, I'd say this RP is very valid and more within the settings than most other things I see around here. Whether it will go anywhere, I'm sure it'll go somewhere and I'm also sure that nobody expects Duraza to defeat the Gods or something. :P
-
its funny. a little propaganda goes far. we never forced what we said on anyone. we spoke and made few shouts. it was mostly done in /say so anyone who didnt want to hear it was able to walk away. we even did it in the middle of the plaza so people didnt have to read it while near harns.
you keep saying that this RP is sooooo much deeper than we think it is, but i dont see it. just tell me where i can find this "deeper meaning" and i will be happy...maybe. i can already see you saying i havent read your post all the way thorough, but i have. several times. maybe im just stupid, but i see others with the same opinion.
its not in the post yet. it gets deeper. just like you read a book, just like you watch a movie.
and in my opinion i dont think you should judge anything untill its fully played out. at least not judge it on where YOU think its going. everyone i left the rp so that duraza could continue it as planned without all these decisions premade about coneitic.
fact is really, noone who has responded really knows coneitic except for sangwa and duraza. waylander you dont remember but he had a few run ins with me. and i could tell a nice story about one of them.. maybe another time. and this was long ago with nuhrak.
Everyone just sit back.. relax.. and enjoy the show, you are guaranteed to enjoy a nice story with duraza's name on it. and if you dont like it. walk away... just walk away.
-
fact is really, noone who has responded really knows coneitic except for sangwa and duraza. waylander you dont remember but he had a few run ins with me. and i could tell a nice story about one of them.. maybe another time. and this was long ago with nuhrak.
Oh aye, I remember Connie somewhat. Though, on the topic of Nurahk, I'll be the first to admit he was in some questionable RPs that somewhat completely ignored the settings :P
I'm not so much worried about that here, I'm more worried about Duraza expecting Dev interaction, as long as that it is understood that that won't happen, I'm fine. ish :P
-
fact is really, noone who has responded really knows coneitic except for sangwa and duraza. waylander you dont remember but he had a few run ins with me. and i could tell a nice story about one of them.. maybe another time. and this was long ago with nuhrak.
You're basing your facts on the belief that you know all of our in-game characters :P
-
I believe none of them ever stated requesting interaction from the Gods, devs, GMs, whatever. It's easy to conclude that this plot is obviously another misguiding scheme of Duraza's character. We've all seen him devise these, tell they are great and that you have to wait to see the whole picture. I think he's getting better and better too, even though this discussion doesn't help advertising it.
Out Of Topic:
This OOC Discussion has been rather disappointing and pointless; Coneitic's presence in this Role Play was unreasonably focused on and criticized. No pertinent questions came to topic, and the only outcome of this discussion was the removal of Coneitic's character from it, due to OOC causes. He's certainly overreacting, still an overreaction is still a reaction to something. He may need to improve his role play skills, but some people need to pay more attention to the discussion, so things can be improved, not slowed down.
EDIT: Edited the last sentence.
-
It's more a matter of every question about the actual RP being brushed aside with "Wait 'til you see what happens".
None of them stated, fair enough, but seeing as the RP seems to be based on false claims about the gods.
"We have the gods to blame for that," Coneitic says while holding his claymore.
Duraza thinks about it for a moment then says, "She is right. It is the gods who have all the power. They keep it to themselves, greedy as a hungry beast while eating supper.
The Former doesn't hold up to closer examination. The gods have had very little interaction with the city in the past few years.
What I can say is that Talad and Laanx, the two main gods, are currently away from the lands for a specific task given by greater gods, they are learning and, if they manage to understand something of it, they will probably be back with some news to hydlaa people. There is a hidden full greater scale of events compared to the one that players are seeing now.
Source (http://news.mmosite.com/data/p/u/2006/03/24/194048044.html????%22/data/I/n/2006/03/28/657802210.html%22????)
Although the latter is easily brushed aside as Duraza's character making false assumptions on can only question why players can weild magic if the gods are keeping the power to themselves (This is not according to the settings more talking about what the average Yliakum resident could believe.)
The RP is flawed. As for Connie leaving, I don't see that changing anything. We were merely having a discussion as to whether what he said was OOC or not. I don't much care who is in the RP, I am simply pointing out that it is not coinciding with the settings.
Many RPs don't, though, so... go ahead with it. Just don't expect too much.
-
It's more a matter of every question about the actual RP being brushed aside with "Wait 'til you see what happens".
That's kinda what i am trying to say. Thanks Waylander. Coneitic, you tell us: "Dont judge a book by its cover." yet that is often what happens. If the summary or review of a book is poor, it is less likely that someone will read it. If an RP sounds lacking, it will be criticized or ignored. (Not really my opinion, but it seems that someone has it.) Just saying: "Wait and see, wait and see." does not convince everyone.
Not that you should reveal the complete plot and ruin it. Just answer a few small questions and shed light on the outer layer of this RP. Or, take some criticism (there will always be critics) and improve using it.
-
It's more a matter of every question about the actual RP being brushed aside with "Wait 'til you see what happens".
That's kinda what i am trying to say. Thanks Waylander. Coneitic, you tell us: "Dont judge a book by its cover." yet that is often what happens. If the summary or review of a book is poor, it is less likely that someone will read it. If an RP sounds lacking, it will be criticized or ignored. (Not really my opinion, but it seems that someone has it.) Just saying: "Wait and see, wait and see." does not convince everyone.
Not that you should reveal the complete plot and ruin it. Just answer a few small questions and shed light on the outer layer of this RP. Or, take some criticism (there will always be critics) and improve using it.
If you feel the plot is lacking then its your choice. Now you keep saying I should answer a few questions yet you present none. I don't want to reveal the plot to you so if you want to know more then ask a specific question. If I can answer it then I will or it may be something you'd have to ask me ICLy. As I said before the clues to the whole plot have been laying around. They are on the fourms and on the website of my first guild. Do a little research and you could easily find out :P Fact is anyone who knew my character ICly for a while would know he would be plotting something from this rp automatically. Fact is you don't know my character which is why you can't figure he's up to something automatically. Plus you feel I need to answer your questions when I tell you the answers are left infront of you. Its up to you to find out, I metioned this before but I can easily see no one took the free invitation of finding out the plot for themselves. :P
It's more a matter of every question about the actual RP being brushed aside with "Wait 'til you see what happens".
None of them stated, fair enough, but seeing as the RP seems to be based on false claims about the gods.
"We have the gods to blame for that," Coneitic says while holding his claymore.
Duraza thinks about it for a moment then says, "She is right. It is the gods who have all the power. They keep it to themselves, greedy as a hungry beast while eating supper.
The Former doesn't hold up to closer examination. The gods have had very little interaction with the city in the past few years.
What I can say is that Talad and Laanx, the two main gods, are currently away from the lands for a specific task given by greater gods, they are learning and, if they manage to understand something of it, they will probably be back with some news to hydlaa people. There is a hidden full greater scale of events compared to the one that players are seeing now.
Source (http://news.mmosite.com/data/p/u/2006/03/24/194048044.html????%22/data/I/n/2006/03/28/657802210.html%22????)
Although the latter is easily brushed aside as Duraza's character making false assumptions on can only question why players can weild magic if the gods are keeping the power to themselves (This is not according to the settings more talking about what the average Yliakum resident could believe.)
The RP is flawed. As for Connie leaving, I don't see that changing anything. We were merely having a discussion as to whether what he said was OOC or not. I don't much care who is in the RP, I am simply pointing out that it is not coinciding with the settings.
Many RPs don't, though, so... go ahead with it. Just don't expect too much.
Once again a simple question which you could answer for yourself. I SAID there was a plot behind this rp, which obviously means everything that is said may not truely be what we are up to. I mentioned for you to look at previous posts by me (especially guild ones). You refuse to do so, expecting me to give you all the answers. In the original rp post I even left a link to a sight that would help people better understand the rp. I doubt you bothered to look at it though. The "flaws" you see OOCly can just as easily be traps left ICly. Your assuming that everything that is said is meant. Your assuming that just because someone says they are going to fight the gods they will. Your not seeing that really there is a devious plan behind the plot, one thats been in formation since before I left the game, having started with the first guild I created.
As you can see I once again left the clues. Since you leave no straight questions about the rp for me to answer I won't ust "reveal" part of the plot to you, no matter how smart. Its up to you to learn for yourself. You have the ability, you just refuse to do so.
-
OH MY GOD DURAZA... what if... what if... We are lying to the people???
What if.... what if.... We are just simply fed up with our lives and want to blame the gods.
what if..... what if.... its simply a ploy to get free money and items.
what if.... awww forget it. the gods dont have interaction with us. so we cant just simply talk smack to the gods right. i mean the very fact that dont do anythign for us when they could... its unbelieveable to strike out against them.
also how do you improve on dealing with people that wont wait for a story to show itself... at least half way through.
you know what it is, what i think, i think the first two entries were sooooooo good, people couldtn wait to see it pan out. they have to know now!!!
-
So you are using OOC means to mislead people IC.
Ah, much better.
I'll admit I am basing my views on what I do know and perhaps there is someway you can pull this off, I'm just expressing my belief that, with the available data, this RP is borderline OOC.
Even then, I don't want you to stop. I'm just warning you.
-
Well hopefully I'll be ingame on saturday for a while. Then I'll really get to start....I'm in school right now so i've been kinda busy even with my computer fixed..
-
using ooc means IC?
how do you come up with that.
-
OH MY GOD DURAZA... what if... what if... We are lying to the people???
If you are lying to the people about the conversation you had (first post of the Hydlaa Rebillion (Rebellion* by the way)) so as to mislead them then you are using an OOC means (that thread) to mislead people IC.
Say I make a thread.
Waylander gives all his money away
And in that I have a conversation with Sangwa
Waylander: I'm going to give all my money away in the temple tomorrow
Sangwa: I like candy.
Then everybody shows up in the temple the next day to get money and I RP something terrible happening to the temple that I had planned all along.
That would be using OOC means to mislead people IC. Which is what you are doing if you are lying in the first post of the Hydlaa Rebillion thread.
(It would also be very misleading because I don't have a character called Waylander)
Note: I'm leaving this thread now. Not much more to say until the RP actually starts :P
-
Except that that post was in a thread that is supposed to be IC, was it not?
-
Except that that post was in a thread that is supposed to be IC, was it not?
Yes. I actually kinda meant what we were saying was only what we wanted people to hear. I guess it kinda makes sense with what Waylander was saying but its not exactly the same...
-
RP threads in this section are supposed to be summaries of matters that already happened in-game. I assumed the first post was played out in-game, no?
Anyways, what do y'all think about continuing this discussion in-game and in character? It's obviously a touchy subject but from my current point of view one that was meant to stay completely in-character (my initial confusion with Coneitic's reasons not included) and can be justified easily, knowing the character's personalities.
-
I like candy.
I think we better make things clear before we get done with it. I agree that their wording may have had some flaws, but that the plot itself is quite plausible. Like someone mentioned, Diabolis aren't keen on religion and Coneitic... Well his char is only keen on trouble. Rebelling against the gods isn't something that requires said god's interaction either. If Talad and Laanx had to listen to everyone cursing them, I bet they wouldn't do much besides that.
They're not supposed to say what they truly expect from players or GMs with this plot. They're supposed to play it out and have things happen along the way. Single Player Role Play Games have walkthroughs, Massive Multiplayer Online Role-playing Games don't. If along the way something else confusing happens, we'll be sure to fall on their heads again, but we can't possibly presume to straighten everything from this point in time.
Concluding, I believe both Duraza and Coneitic should pay more attention to their Characters' perception of the in game world, so they can improve their usage of Plane Shift concepts. Their plot is still valid itself and capable of being played out and enjoyed.
-
Hmm. Candy is ok. Pie is better.
The character's plot is acceptable and realistic. Many cults blame big religion for the world's woes, and make up their own gods to trick folks into following them. Others make up new religions just to get followers to give them power and money.
However, if this is a preplanned/prescripted plot/story by players, not characters, I can not endorse it. I have missed out on Duraza's other RPs, so can not judge intention by that.
Duraza, I read through your writings, and they are the start of a very 'good' cult that could draw many followers. However (that word again) I have issues with how it is presented. Instead of claiming to find a book, having a vision, or being told about this imagined history, you basically say 'This is the way it really happened.' Not that is a completely bad thing to do, but it is very hard to pull off and have folks follow it both IC and OOC.
Lastly, make sure you have all your IC pieces set on the table before starting, even if other players can not see the hidden ones. Once started, do not change what those pieces do, nor add any new ones, and let other players move them about. If you understand my meaning.
-
Lastly, make sure you have all your IC pieces set on the table before starting, even if other players can not see the hidden ones. Once started, do not change what those pieces do, nor add any new ones, and let other players move them about. If you understand my meaning.
Thats mainly why I still haven't started too much ingame. Things are happening but on a small scale right now, unlike when me, Gwinn, and Coneitic started for the simple IC fact that without those two Duraza has to work alone again and he doesn't like too.
However, if this is a preplanned/prescripted plot/story by players, not characters, I can not endorse it.
Something I assure you I don't do. My character always has a plan but I do allow those plans to go astray depending on the actions of other players ingame. The reason many of my plots have failed.
Duraza, I read through your writings, and they are the start of a very 'good' cult that could draw many followers. However (that word again) I have issues with how it is presented. Instead of claiming to find a book, having a vision, or being told about this imagined history, you basically say 'This is the way it really happened.' Not that is a completely bad thing to do, but it is very hard to pull off and have folks follow it both IC and OOC.
Actually Duraza was told about this history, as well as given the book. In one of the guild post I made called The Church of Tiren it can be explained more. The Book of Law was given to Duraza by Xacha followers of Tiren when he was once in the Stone Labyrinths. Theres more to that story but its something you'd have to find out ICly and something not many people know about ;)
-
Ok, now I'm confused... are the gods not supposed to be ingame at all?
Disclaimer: I'm not entirely sure what Coneitic was trying to play. I wandered by when he was preaching in the plaza, and stopped because I saw people standing around. But I wasn't getting a clear picture ingame of what was happening, and asking other characters only revealed that most of them were as confused as I was. Mostly I've had to try and piece it together from this thread.
Someone mentioned above that the Gods don't meddle in the affairs of us mortals, and that Laanx is actually being inconsistent with settings and OOC when he banishes someone for being annoying. And that therefore Coneitic's RPing a rebellion against said gods is borderline, the reasoning apparently being because the only solution for the gods is to go OOC.
I guess to me, meddling in the affairs of mortals would imply an ongoing action, i.e. Laanx blesses someone with extraordinary success or luck that in turn effects the social, political or economic balance. Simply blowing off steam, while probably disconcerting to someone in the path, is merely an unfortunate anomaly, not meddling.
I hadn't thought of Laanx's disciplinary bursts as OOC. The gods created Yliakum, certainly they had a reason for doing so, and can 'monitor' their creation for the status. And if Laanx happens to check in and while doing so, someone annoys him, then zapping them is perfectly IC. I wouldn't even consider that meddling in the affairs of mortals, in fact, I'd say the other way around; the mortal meddled in Laanx's affairs. (In fact, when the annoying person was in my vicinity, I've very ICly said a nice prayer of thanks)
So I'd consider Con's RP to be perhaps ICly ill advised, but definitely not OOC. Not even borderline. OTOH, if he was suddenly zapped by Laanx for it, I wouldn't see that as OOC either. Nor would I see it as GM interfering with RP. Of course, I'd also think that ICly, the character probably should have gotten the hint at that point... so that particular line of RP was probably not destined to last very long.
But just what IS the status of the gods ingame?
-
What was believed to be OOC was the fact that Laanx did not retaliate in anyway. ICly they said he should have killed us for good and basically banned or deleted our characters. That was discussed in a different thread though ;D
-
But just what IS the status of the gods ingame?
I already answered that :) Laanx and Talad do not involve themselves - this is official word from Luca, the head of the project since it began.
-
But just what IS the status of the gods ingame?
I already answered that :) Laanx and Talad do not involve themselves - this is official word from Luca, the head of the project since it began.
Then let me narrow down the question: What constitutes "involve themselves"? If, IC and ingame, I see message "LAANX banishes Char_Joe_Blow for being annoying", is Laanx involving himself, or is that OOC? That's where my confusion comes from. As I said earlier, I have no problem with Laanx blowing off steam, and don't even see that as a conflict with the settings or the official word. But how to fit into RP? (How does the official word interpret the official word?)
What was believed to be OOC was the fact that Laanx did not retaliate in anyway. ICly they said he should have killed us for good and basically banned or deleted our characters. That was discussed in a different thread though ;D
Ok, my understanding was backwards then :) Still not sure I'd agree with a character deletion (would seem both OOC and in violation of not meddling), but a temporary banishment in keeping with historically observed ingame behaviour would be appropriate, while logically providing enough godly presence to make the point. But the settings would seem to provide plenty of leeway for the gods to do absolutely nothing, also, so to say no response is OOC would also seem wrong.
Having now read the other thread, I understand the plot better, it seems quite plausible, but does require a pretty elastic boundary between Game & RP.
-
Still not sure I'd agree with a character deletion (would seem both OOC [...]
True Death is OOC?
-
Then let me narrow down the question: What constitutes "involve themselves"? If, IC and ingame, I see message "LAANX banishes Char_Joe_Blow for being annoying", is Laanx involving himself, or is that OOC?
It's OOC, and we're looking to change that message to something else now, since:
What I can say is that Talad and Laanx, the two main gods, are currently away from the lands for a specific task given by greater gods, they are learning and, if they manage to understand something of it, they will probably be back with some news to hydlaa people.
-
Still not sure I'd agree with a character deletion (would seem both OOC [...]
True Death is OOC?
Yes :P
Just playing. I'd have to agree. True death is totally IC because many things ingame pretty much say its possible.