OOC: Hydlaa Rebillion

[Waylander]

I still don't understand where you hope to go with this RP, Duraza.

You are denouncing the gods, that means you can either go on two branches.

The first, the gods do something, this is distracting people who have much more important things to do.  GMs are not allowed to play gods without the permission of Talad himself and if it's a Dev then it's more directly interrupting the development of PlaneShift.  Along with the fact that if the Devs do something, other people will seek to have them in their RPs.

The second, the gods do nothing.  This will be completely because the Devs do not have the time to do something because they are too busy working and making PlaneShift.  This is using their OOC restraints as a central piece of your IC RP.  That's like me going about robbing people when it's 5AM their time.  The can't stop me, so why can't I do it?

You see my point?

[Coneitic]

lol think broader.... there are like numourous ways you can go with this...seeing as how its the opening.  maybe u''ll just have to wait untill the rp continues on. also your thinking too OOC for this rp.

[Karyuu]

A general FYI:

There's a statement from Luca about the activity of gods like Laanx and Talad, and the word is that they do not interact with the daily world, although it does not influence the faith of believers (just as it works in the real world).

What I can say is that Talad and Laanx, the two main gods, are currently away from the lands for a specific task given by greater gods, they are learning and, if they manage to understand something of it, they will probably be back with some news to hydlaa people. There is a hidden full greater scale of events compared to the one that players are seeing now.

Source

Previous Laanx/Talad impersonations by GMs no longer hold true - much like everything else, Settings is in development and things do have a way of changing. So if this is a bit hard to adjust to for some, just keep in mind that more and more things are being fleshed out and determined officially.

Hope this helps future RPs.

[Reyna Kaviri]

lol think broader.... there are like numourous ways you can go with this...seeing as how its the opening.  maybe u''ll just have to wait untill the rp continues on. also your thinking too OOC for this rp.

you keep saying that this RP is sooooo much deeper than we think it is, but i dont see it. just tell me where i can find this "deeper meaning" and i will be happy...maybe. i can already see you saying i havent read your post all the way thorough, but i have. several times. maybe im just stupid, but i see others with the same opinion.

[Duraza]

I'm guessing you all dont see the point of this rp, the reason your saying it has a dead end. I'm not expecting Laanx to start talking to me every time I talk. Infact I rather not have her do so. The fact that it happened was just odd luck.

I was hoping not to have to tell the purpose of this rp. The fact is its much more "layered" than you think and if I tell you now it ruins the whole point when I can finally get back ingame (getting my computer fixed) to really make it intresting. You could simply find out where I'm going with this by reading about some of my old guilds, and the Organization Duraza was trying to start up before he left Hydlaa for a bit. I rather not tell you unless its ICLy but lets just say theres much more to this rp then just yelling at the gods. It really has more to do with the people who are hearing the words, not any hopes that the gods do  . It is an rp so I won't reveal anything to you yet unless its IC. You want details? Then you'll just have to wait. I rather have people enjoy the rp then spend my time giving everything away just to prove everyone wrong. Its not important to me 

[Sangwa]

I can't see the point of this discussion. This is a rebellious effort taken by rebellious characters against gods. Hydlaa's Guard would be more than capable to deal with a bunch of rogues, should they pester the townsmen. Why should we even consider the Gods acting? In fact, I believe the displeasure of the ordered guilds would be enough to throw them down.

Despite the words Coneitic used, that I agree demonstrate a flaw in his In Character perception, the Role Play itself is valid and capable of being played out. Plus it was initiated by another, so his post can be seen like his own flaw, not the plot's. I also believe it to be quite rude to publicly bully someone over their Role Play abilities. The right approach would be to privately counsel or discuss with him about it. Everyone here is trying to improve their gaming experience by improving themselves, we should help each other in the less abrasive way possible.

EDIT: Removed a joke. Added the following:

We have no interest to know about your role play before it starts. Just interested to know if there's something wrong with it as it is. Currently there doesn't seem to be. But if you start owning minds again, I'll get mad.

EDIT: Improved wording of the above sentence.

[Duraza]

But if you start owning minds again, I'll get mad.

Actually I've taken away Duraza's ability to control someones mind...After giving it some thought I felt it too much power without enough consequence. Since I haven't been able to think of a suitable way to change it and a reason RP wise for why Duraza would use a different technique I stopped using it. My IC reason is Duraza's old age (if you get the chance to read his description). He's much older and a less capable fighter leaving him unable to use the mind control thing.

Just a note. If you really pay attention you can realize I just left another clue to the rp in that paragraph 

[Zan]

Another point I'd like to bring up ...

"All the Talad's efforts to make the Diaboli his followers failed. The Diaboli were inclined to disappear whenever someone began to discuss about religion."

"On the other hand, they avoid holy places as they feel uncomfortable in them. It's quite rare to meet a Diabolo inside a temple, apart from the imprisoned ones. They diligently try to avoid sacred objects: holy weapons are devastating against them."

With Duraza being a Diaboli, if I'm not mistaken, I'd say this RP is very valid and more within the settings than most other things I see around here. Whether it will go anywhere, I'm sure it'll go somewhere and I'm also sure that nobody expects Duraza to defeat the Gods or something.

[Coneitic]

its funny. a little propaganda goes far. we never forced what we said on anyone. we spoke and made few shouts. it was mostly done in /say so anyone who didnt want to hear it was able to walk away. we even did it in the middle of the plaza so people didnt have to read it while near harns.

you keep saying that this RP is sooooo much deeper than we think it is, but i dont see it. just tell me where i can find this "deeper meaning" and i will be happy...maybe. i can already see you saying i havent read your post all the way thorough, but i have. several times. maybe im just stupid, but i see others with the same opinion.

its not in the post yet. it gets deeper. just like you read a book, just like you watch a movie.

and in my opinion i dont think you should judge anything untill its fully played out. at least not judge it on where YOU think its going. everyone i left the rp so that duraza could continue it as planned without all these decisions premade about coneitic.

fact is really, noone who has responded really knows coneitic except for sangwa and duraza. waylander you dont remember but he had a few run ins with me. and i could tell a nice story about one of them.. maybe another time. and this was long ago with nuhrak.

Everyone just sit back.. relax.. and enjoy the show, you are guaranteed to enjoy a nice story with duraza's name on it. and if you dont like it. walk away... just walk away.

[Waylander]

fact is really, noone who has responded really knows coneitic except for sangwa and duraza. waylander you dont remember but he had a few run ins with me. and i could tell a nice story about one of them.. maybe another time. and this was long ago with nuhrak.

Oh aye, I remember Connie somewhat.  Though, on the topic of Nurahk, I'll be the first to admit he was in some questionable RPs that somewhat completely ignored the settings

I'm not so much worried about that here, I'm more worried about Duraza expecting Dev interaction, as long as that it is understood that that won't happen, I'm fine.  ish

[Zan]

fact is really, noone who has responded really knows coneitic except for sangwa and duraza. waylander you dont remember but he had a few run ins with me. and i could tell a nice story about one of them.. maybe another time. and this was long ago with nuhrak.

You're basing your facts on the belief that you know all of our in-game characters

[Sangwa]

I believe none of them ever stated requesting interaction from the Gods, devs, GMs, whatever. It's easy to conclude that this plot is obviously another misguiding scheme of Duraza's character. We've all seen him devise these, tell they are great and that you have to wait to see the whole picture. I think he's getting better and better too, even though this discussion doesn't help advertising it.

Out Of Topic:
This OOC Discussion has been rather disappointing and pointless; Coneitic's presence in this Role Play was unreasonably focused on and criticized. No pertinent questions came to topic, and the only outcome of this discussion was the removal of Coneitic's character from it, due to OOC causes. He's certainly overreacting, still an overreaction is still a reaction to something. He may need to improve his role play skills, but some people need to pay more attention to the discussion, so things can be improved, not slowed down.

EDIT: Edited the last sentence.

[Waylander]

It's more a matter of every question about the actual RP being brushed aside with "Wait 'til you see what happens".

None of them stated, fair enough, but seeing as the RP seems to be based on false claims about the gods.

"We have the gods to blame for that," Coneitic says while holding his claymore.

Duraza thinks about it for a moment then says, "She is right. It is the gods who have all the power. They keep it to themselves, greedy as a hungry beast while eating supper.

The Former doesn't hold up to closer examination.  The gods have had very little interaction with the city in the past few years.

What I can say is that Talad and Laanx, the two main gods, are currently away from the lands for a specific task given by greater gods, they are learning and, if they manage to understand something of it, they will probably be back with some news to hydlaa people. There is a hidden full greater scale of events compared to the one that players are seeing now.

Source

Although the latter is easily brushed aside as Duraza's character making false assumptions on can only question why players can weild magic if the gods are keeping the power to themselves (This is not according to the settings more talking about what the average Yliakum resident could believe.)

The RP is flawed.  As for Connie leaving, I don't see that changing anything.  We were merely having a discussion as to whether what he said was OOC or not.  I don't much care who is in the RP, I am simply pointing out that it is not coinciding with the settings.

Many RPs don't, though, so... go ahead with it.  Just don't expect too much.

[Reyna Kaviri]

It's more a matter of every question about the actual RP being brushed aside with "Wait 'til you see what happens".

That's kinda what i am trying to say. Thanks Waylander. Coneitic, you tell us: "Dont judge a book by its cover." yet that is often what happens. If the summary or review of a book is poor, it is less likely that someone will read it. If an RP sounds lacking, it will be criticized or ignored. (Not really my opinion, but it seems that someone has it.) Just saying: "Wait and see, wait and see." does not convince everyone.

Not that you should reveal the complete plot and ruin it. Just answer a few small questions and shed light on the outer layer of this RP. Or, take some criticism (there will always be critics) and improve using it.

[Duraza]

It's more a matter of every question about the actual RP being brushed aside with "Wait 'til you see what happens".

That's kinda what i am trying to say. Thanks Waylander. Coneitic, you tell us: "Dont judge a book by its cover." yet that is often what happens. If the summary or review of a book is poor, it is less likely that someone will read it. If an RP sounds lacking, it will be criticized or ignored. (Not really my opinion, but it seems that someone has it.) Just saying: "Wait and see, wait and see." does not convince everyone.

Not that you should reveal the complete plot and ruin it. Just answer a few small questions and shed light on the outer layer of this RP. Or, take some criticism (there will always be critics) and improve using it.

If you feel the plot is lacking then its your choice. Now you keep saying I should answer a few questions yet you present none. I don't want to reveal the plot to you so if you want to know more then ask a specific question. If I can answer it then I will or it may be something you'd have to ask me ICLy. As I said before the clues to the whole plot have been laying around. They are on the fourms and on the website of my first guild. Do a little research and you could easily find out    Fact is anyone who knew my character ICly for a while would know he would be plotting something from this rp automatically. Fact is you don't know my character which is why you can't figure he's up to something automatically. Plus you feel I need to answer your questions when I tell you the answers are left infront of you. Its up to you to find out, I metioned this before but I can easily see no one took the free invitation of finding out the plot for themselves. 

It's more a matter of every question about the actual RP being brushed aside with "Wait 'til you see what happens".

None of them stated, fair enough, but seeing as the RP seems to be based on false claims about the gods.

"We have the gods to blame for that," Coneitic says while holding his claymore.

Duraza thinks about it for a moment then says, "She is right. It is the gods who have all the power. They keep it to themselves, greedy as a hungry beast while eating supper.

The Former doesn't hold up to closer examination.  The gods have had very little interaction with the city in the past few years.

What I can say is that Talad and Laanx, the two main gods, are currently away from the lands for a specific task given by greater gods, they are learning and, if they manage to understand something of it, they will probably be back with some news to hydlaa people. There is a hidden full greater scale of events compared to the one that players are seeing now.

Source

Although the latter is easily brushed aside as Duraza's character making false assumptions on can only question why players can weild magic if the gods are keeping the power to themselves (This is not according to the settings more talking about what the average Yliakum resident could believe.)

The RP is flawed.  As for Connie leaving, I don't see that changing anything.  We were merely having a discussion as to whether what he said was OOC or not.  I don't much care who is in the RP, I am simply pointing out that it is not coinciding with the settings.

Many RPs don't, though, so... go ahead with it.  Just don't expect too much.

Once again a simple question which you could answer for yourself. I SAID there was a plot behind this rp, which obviously means everything that is said may not truely be what we are up to. I mentioned for you to look at previous posts by me (especially guild ones). You refuse to do so, expecting me to give you all the answers. In the original rp post I even left a link to a sight that would help people better understand the rp. I doubt you bothered to look at it though. The "flaws" you see OOCly can just as easily be traps left ICly. Your assuming that everything that is said is meant. Your assuming that just because someone says they are going to fight the gods they will. Your not seeing that really there is a devious plan behind the plot, one thats been in formation since before I left the game, having started with the first guild I created.

As you can see I once again left the clues. Since you leave no straight questions about the rp for me to answer I won't ust "reveal" part of the plot to you, no matter how smart. Its up to you to learn for yourself. You have the ability, you just refuse to do so.