OOC: Hydlaa Rebillion

[Coneitic]

OH MY GOD DURAZA... what if... what if... We are lying to the people???


What if.... what if.... We are just simply fed up with our lives and want to blame the gods.

what if..... what if.... its simply a ploy to get free money and items.

what if.... awww forget it. the gods dont have interaction with us. so we cant just simply talk smack to the gods right. i mean the very fact that dont do anythign for us when they could... its unbelieveable to strike out against them.


also how do you improve on dealing with people that wont wait for a story to show itself... at least half way through.

you know what it is, what i think, i think the first two entries were sooooooo good, people couldtn wait to see it pan out. they have to know now!!!

[Waylander]

So you are using OOC means to mislead people IC.

Ah, much better.

I'll admit I am basing my views on what I do know and perhaps there is someway you can pull this off, I'm just expressing my belief that, with the available data, this RP is borderline OOC.

Even then, I don't want you to stop.  I'm just warning you.

[Duraza]

Well hopefully I'll be ingame on saturday for a while. Then I'll really get to start....I'm in school right now so i've been kinda busy even with my computer fixed..

[Coneitic]

using ooc means IC?

how do you come up with that.

[Waylander]

OH MY GOD DURAZA... what if... what if... We are lying to the people???

If you are lying to the people about the conversation you had (first post of the Hydlaa Rebillion (Rebellion* by the way)) so as to mislead them then you are using an OOC means (that thread) to mislead people IC.

Say I make a thread.

Waylander gives all his money away

And in that I have a conversation with Sangwa

Waylander: I'm going to give all my money away in the temple tomorrow
Sangwa: I like candy.

Then everybody shows up in the temple the next day to get money and I RP something terrible happening to the temple that I had planned all along.

That would be using OOC means to mislead people IC.  Which is what you are doing if you are lying in the first post of the Hydlaa Rebillion thread.
(It would also be very misleading because I don't have a character called Waylander)


Note:  I'm leaving this thread now.  Not much more to say until the RP actually starts

[bilbous]

Except that that post was in a thread that is supposed to be IC, was it not?

[Duraza]

Except that that post was in a thread that is supposed to be IC, was it not?

Yes. I actually kinda meant what we were saying was only what we wanted people to hear. I guess it kinda makes sense with what Waylander was saying but its not exactly the same...

[Zan]

RP threads in this section are supposed to be summaries of matters that already happened in-game. I assumed the first post was played out in-game, no?

Anyways, what do y'all think about continuing this discussion in-game and in character? It's obviously a touchy subject but from my current point of view one that was meant to stay completely in-character (my initial confusion with Coneitic's reasons not included) and can be justified easily, knowing the character's personalities.

[Sangwa]

I like candy.

I think we better make things clear before we get done with it. I agree that their wording may have had some flaws, but that the plot itself is quite plausible. Like someone mentioned, Diabolis aren't keen on religion and Coneitic... Well his char is only keen on trouble. Rebelling against the gods isn't something that requires said god's interaction either. If Talad and Laanx had to listen to everyone cursing them, I bet they wouldn't do much besides that.

They're not supposed to say what they truly expect from players or GMs with this plot. They're supposed to play it out and have things happen along the way. Single Player Role Play Games have walkthroughs, Massive Multiplayer Online Role-playing Games don't. If along the way something else confusing happens, we'll be sure to fall on their heads again, but we can't possibly presume to straighten everything from this point in time.

Concluding, I believe both Duraza and Coneitic should pay more attention to their Characters' perception of the in game world, so they can improve their usage of Plane Shift concepts. Their plot is still valid itself and capable of being played out and enjoyed.

[Under the moon]

Hmm. Candy is ok. Pie is better.

The character's plot is acceptable and realistic. Many cults blame big religion for the world's woes, and make up their own gods to trick folks into following them. Others make up new religions just to get followers to give them power and money.

However, if this is a preplanned/prescripted plot/story by players, not characters, I can not endorse it. I have missed out on Duraza's other RPs, so can not judge intention by that.

Duraza, I read through your writings, and they are the start of a very 'good' cult that could draw many followers. However (that word again) I have issues with how it is presented. Instead of claiming to find a book, having a vision, or being told about this imagined history, you basically say 'This is the way it really happened.' Not that is a completely bad thing to do, but it is very hard to pull off and have folks follow it both IC and OOC.

Lastly, make sure you have all your IC pieces set on the table before starting, even if other players can not see the hidden ones. Once started, do not change what those pieces do, nor add any new ones, and let other players move them about. If you understand my meaning.

[Duraza]

Lastly, make sure you have all your IC pieces set on the table before starting, even if other players can not see the hidden ones. Once started, do not change what those pieces do, nor add any new ones, and let other players move them about. If you understand my meaning.

Thats mainly why I still haven't started too much ingame. Things are happening but on a small scale right now, unlike when me, Gwinn, and Coneitic started for the simple IC fact that without those two Duraza has to work alone again and he doesn't like too.

However, if this is a preplanned/prescripted plot/story by players, not characters, I can not endorse it.

Something I assure you I don't do. My character always has a plan but I do allow those plans to go astray depending on the actions of other players ingame. The reason many of my plots have failed.

Duraza, I read through your writings, and they are the start of a very 'good' cult that could draw many followers. However (that word again) I have issues with how it is presented. Instead of claiming to find a book, having a vision, or being told about this imagined history, you basically say 'This is the way it really happened.' Not that is a completely bad thing to do, but it is very hard to pull off and have folks follow it both IC and OOC.

Actually Duraza was told about this history, as well as given the book. In one of the guild post I made called The Church of Tiren it can be explained more. The Book of Law was given to Duraza by Xacha followers of Tiren when he was once in the Stone Labyrinths. Theres more to that story but its something you'd have to find out ICly and something not many people know about 

[CrazyYlian]

Ok, now I'm confused...  are the gods not supposed to be ingame at all?

Disclaimer:  I'm not entirely sure what Coneitic was trying to play.  I wandered by when he was preaching in the plaza, and stopped because I saw people standing around.  But I wasn't getting a clear picture ingame of what was happening, and asking other characters only revealed that most of them were as confused as I was.  Mostly I've had to try and piece it together from this thread.

Someone mentioned above that the Gods don't meddle in the affairs of us mortals, and that Laanx is actually being inconsistent with settings and OOC when he banishes someone for being annoying.  And that therefore Coneitic's RPing a rebellion against said gods is borderline, the reasoning apparently being because the only solution for the gods is to go OOC.

I guess to me, meddling in the affairs of mortals would imply an ongoing action, i.e. Laanx blesses someone with extraordinary success or luck that in turn effects the social, political or economic balance.  Simply blowing off steam, while probably disconcerting to someone in the path, is merely an unfortunate anomaly, not meddling.

I hadn't thought of Laanx's disciplinary bursts as OOC.  The gods created Yliakum, certainly they had a reason for doing so, and can 'monitor' their creation for the status.  And if Laanx happens to check in and while doing so, someone annoys him, then zapping them is perfectly IC.  I wouldn't even consider that meddling in the affairs of mortals, in fact, I'd say the other way around; the mortal meddled in Laanx's affairs.  (In fact, when the annoying person was in my vicinity, I've very ICly said a nice prayer of thanks)

So I'd consider Con's RP to be perhaps ICly ill advised, but definitely not OOC.  Not even borderline.  OTOH, if he was suddenly zapped by Laanx for it, I wouldn't see that as OOC either.  Nor would I see it as GM interfering with RP.   Of course, I'd also think that ICly, the character probably should have gotten the hint at that point... so that particular line of RP was probably not destined to last very long.

But just what IS the status of the gods ingame?

[Duraza]

What was believed to be OOC was the fact that Laanx did not retaliate in anyway. ICly they said he should have killed us for good and basically banned or deleted our characters. That was discussed in a different thread though 

[Karyuu]

But just what IS the status of the gods ingame?

I already answered that Laanx and Talad do not involve themselves - this is official word from Luca, the head of the project since it began.

[CrazyYlian]

But just what IS the status of the gods ingame?

I already answered that Laanx and Talad do not involve themselves - this is official word from Luca, the head of the project since it began.

Then let me narrow down the question:  What constitutes "involve themselves"?  If, IC and ingame, I see message "LAANX banishes Char_Joe_Blow for being annoying", is Laanx involving himself, or is that OOC?  That's where my confusion comes from.  As I said earlier, I have no problem with Laanx blowing off steam, and don't even see that as a conflict with the settings or the official word.  But how to fit into RP?  (How does the official word interpret the official word?)

What was believed to be OOC was the fact that Laanx did not retaliate in anyway. ICly they said he should have killed us for good and basically banned or deleted our characters. That was discussed in a different thread though 

Ok, my understanding was backwards then    Still not sure I'd agree with a character deletion (would seem both OOC and in violation of not meddling), but a temporary banishment in keeping with historically observed ingame behaviour would be appropriate, while logically providing enough godly presence to make the point.  But the settings would seem to provide plenty of leeway for the gods to do absolutely nothing, also, so to say no response is OOC would also seem wrong.

Having now read the other thread, I understand the plot better, it seems quite plausible, but does require a pretty elastic boundary between Game & RP.