great number of lovely swords, sets of armor, helmets, plants, food, cabinets, closets, shelves, boxes, boots and the list goes on for quite a way.While I have to say I share the sympathy for the victims.... WOOT! great strike! \\o// Keep it going, rogues!
What EL does know IC has not been revealed. There has been evidence beyond this :whistling:
Sihien Sigir ---- Ulber Tamer Elemental Light
Those known to be involved will be dealt with at a time of our choosing. This is regarded as an IC admission of guilt.
Hmm doesn't one of the Ways theoretically include scribing magic? did any of you thieves think to cast any obscuring magic? You may not have gotten clean away as you think! By the way, how did you dispose of your loot? The fact that it disappears tracelessly when sold to an NPC is kind of OOC, don't you think?
Such a large job rarely goes unnoticed.
Well that spell is not yet implemented..and if you ask me thats just god-modding :P
and no, GM's don't interfere with player events, they'd be swapped with requests and accused of favoritisms .
I told you posting this was a bad idea sov...
I've sent the EL a solution this and am waiting a reply.
What we did was purely IC as thieves and outlaws we noticed a house was unlocked... we snuck in took what we could and ran off, no one saw us. We got away clean. Trepor dung happens, live and learn, lock your guild houses, there are chars that are not all that honest ;)
Besides apparently EL was not using all that stuff anyways..it was all over the place..we put most of it to good use, thanks for the donations. And like I said before from what I understand only 8 people can get a key..so you better give them to people you can trust. ;)
/me gets dragged into a dark corner in a misty alley and gets handed a sack full of trias by a cloaked figure with a fenki tail sticking out under her cloak
xD
Going around crowing about your successes in an OOC manner could be seen as poor sportsmanship or whatever.Have to say for pure RP purposes a well written post in the IG roleplay section would have been more fitting
Scribing magic: think crystal ball that lets you see the past the present or the future, location spells that allow you to find lost or hidden objects or whatnot. :)
Not to mention that gods know everything and sometimes help their followers through their priesthood.
Kind of sounds like a good story for some GM or two to interfere in ... create some kind RP event with uncertain results.
bad sov
boring 240 page novel describing every facet of my life leading up to this eventYou pretty much got it: I personally, for one, am not interested at all to read over 200 pages about a boring life (or 200 boring pages about a life.. take it as you wish=P) - a few lines describing an exciting break would have done;)
/me gets dragged into a dark corner in a misty alley and gets handed a sack full of trias by a cloaked figure with a fenki tail sticking out under her cloak
xD
In later news, he was found together with that fenki, who was killed with his guts :)
Equally inestimable are the divination spells that can provide very useful information on the past, present and future.and plan your actions accordingly. It is theoretically possible within the settings and if you can role play unimplemented thieving actions in the game -- say picking pockets -- you should also be able to role play unimplemented magic actions. Although my example is not perfect as picking pockets is known to be in the plan and such a spell is less certain. Other ways to get the information magically would be to kidnap minor thieves and interrogate them under a truth type spell.
Did you guys know that there have been bugs reported that unlocked guildhouse doors automatically? Criminals be careful about committing crimes without OOC approval. The game does not support stealing at the moment, in fact it tries to prevent any possibility of doing so, so your actions can be seen as grieving.
Secondly, a huge bust like this always draws attention and some of you should get caught. If you all get away with it, it's bordering very closely to godmodding from a roleplaying perspective.
Keep in mind, this is a game. A game should be fun for everyone involved ... that guideline comes before the one that tells you to stay in-character. ;)
Personally I think you all went overboard and clearly didn't do this to make a point. You reacted like true outlaws/thieves. Saw an oppertunity and went for it. The making a point is a nice excuse afterwards. You guys would have made a point by stealing just a few things and throwing everything else upside down. Unless you plan on giving the Elemental Light a chance to recover most of their goods .. then I'm wrong here. :P
The outlaws have mages. I may not be one myself but we do have some, in high ranks even.
how about you Sov? any of your guys know magic? ;)
Hmm... I usually don't like people don't read the whole thread and comment but Im going to do just this...
This is indeed a nice contrast to boredom in ps. But to be honest I think such a thing should be agreed before in ooc manner in general at least. Apart from I wonder how you carry all the things out of the house of a well known guild without being seen ic imho it would be better to speak with the victims to not scare them off oocly - because the game should be fun for _all_ players.
Apart from that... *cough* I hope not more start to use this forum as place for commercial advertizing ;)
Sen
Those known to be involved will be dealt with at a time of our choosing. This is regarded as an IC admission of guilt.
And no Caarie you other players can't make us perma dead for a RP.
epically with NO EVIDENCE!
Just one more example ....
Ok so saying that we should plan it first... So we are meant to say to EL. "Hi, we'd like to rob your guildhall for everything you have, when would be a good time to do it, when you have lots of guards around to make it nice and fair?"
Forgive me if you think i'm stupid... but I think thats pretty stupid :p
People don't even agree to be robbed for 1 circle. How in the hell are thieves meant to survive if we can't do somthing on the spurr of the moment without OOCly asking. in advance.... Thats just stupid. Ok if we killed someone yeah we'd probably arrange that with the person.
first off there was NO ONE in the sector NO ONE Saw us.. we looked around.. not our fault thats not god modding that no one was there.
they left it unlocked. their fault we did IC what we would do IC
And no Caarie you other players can't make us perma dead for a RP.
epically with NO EVIDENCE!
[...random things about stupidity...]
People don't even agree to be robbed for 1 circle. How in the hell are thieves meant to survive if we can't do somthing on the spurr of the moment without OOCly asking. in advance.... Thats just stupid. Ok if we killed someone yeah we'd probably arrange that with the person.
Also permadeath is not even an option so please no talk on that.
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By not letting them react IC (discovering evidence at the crime scene, seeing some of their goods in the Ojaveda market or whatever) your are that guy who won't let the thief rob him a circle. Don't you see it's the same kind of "untouchable" attitude? It is not about who gets away with it but giving all players a chance for their characters to react to the situation.
Don't kill your own RP by not letting others join in.
the did not respond instead they started sending me query's in ICR, ooc tells in game..ooc chat in main in the tavern telling me I was wrong I should feel bad I should be more mature I should give it back. and challenging me.
If you had contacted us (or at least one of us) in advance and agreeing on a set of terms I am quiet sure we would find a RP like this fun
One thing I disagree with you on Kiaerulf is this:If you had contacted us (or at least one of us) in advance and agreeing on a set of terms I am quiet sure we would find a RP like this fun
I feel rp should always be random. Things happen in the real world and they take you by surprise. Sometimes for big events it is easier to plan such things out ahead of time. This however was a robbery, something that players often rp without warning. I don't feel that it is necessary for them to have to warn you. They started an rp with you. Now it would be your turn to react. Planning these things in advance really takes away from the realism of the roleplay. When random you truely have the chance to test your rping skills, to force yourself to react how your character would react.
1. Do you intend to return our stuff?Nope, we sold it already
2. Why did you wait at least 33 hours to inform us that you were doing a RP and we don't really have any option than to accept and follow the rules you have set?I think you realized the moment one of you tried to get into the guild hall and warning you would really have ruined our stealth don't you think?
3. You don't considering involving us in a RP like that without even asking one of us and set up a set of rules is god modding?Setting up rules for robbing.. thats a contradiction already. Theres not really a way to make a theft "fair".. and theres also no way of planning you leaving your door open.... go figure.
4. How can you claim we left our door open when we know it might as well be a bug? We instructs the members that have a kety for the GH carefully how to enter the house you know.Obviously one of your members forgot to lock it as every other house is locked and has been locked since that time. Also, when you lock your own house don't you check its locked properly?
5. Do you think we find loosing all our stuff in the GH fun without knowing why it is gone and having no chance of knowing who did it?No I shouldn't think it was terribly fun for you but being robbed is never fun. It is gone because you left the door open and we did it. <<still ooc btw :)
6. wouldn't it have been possible to do this just by taking our furniture or some other unimportant stuff and leaving a note saying you have been robbed instead of ripping us completely taking stuff that there was a purpose why it was there?As I mentioned before thieves don't take your underwear they take your TV, thats completely illogical
7. Do you intend to leave us clues somewhere so we have a chance of tracking you down (IC)?We have left lots of clues but you obviously haven't seen them so what more can we do?
8, will you be willing to negotiate a set of rules for this that alters the way you have acted so far?Like what? we return your stuff and surrender to the town guard suffering a permadeath? or prewarn you in advance next time so you can say no?
9. did you consider that this might actually course a lot more harm than fun?It's a robbery, it isn't fun. Next time will break into your guild house and tidy it up and maybe leave some nice things for you.
10. why did you not contact at least one of our members before you did this? That would have helped a lot on how we feel about thisSee question number 2
11. Did you leave chars in our GH which could steel even more stuff from us?No, we left after cleaning you out I think, but you'll never know will you?
12. How did you manage to steal everything when there were around 100 Elemental Light members sleeping in there and a few others which have been granted access?100 people in your guildhouse? do you sleep on the windowsill? Pretty cosy I would imagine ;)
13. How can you say for sure that the NPC outside our door didn't otice anything oh and also the NPC at the entrance into the Plaza?After the event I asked Fholen Medraa about it and he said:
Fholen Medraa says: I don't understand. Can you rephrase?
Sov says: about robbery
Fholen Medraa says: I don't understand. Can you rephrase?
Sov says: about thieves
Fholen Medraa says: I don't understand. Can you rephrase?
Sov says: about guild house
Fholen Medraa says: I don't understand. Can you rephrase?
My 2 Tria: How were they supposed to coordinate this ahead of time? It's kinda hard to predict when somebody's going to leave the guildhouse unlocked...btw...RPing leaving clues behind for the long-term is difficult without extremely close coordination and/or some form of support from the game-mechs. Also, people tend to have OOC emotions over their characters, unfortunately. (some more than others) So, if you feel like settling this through coordination, go ahead...I personally do not think of it as right for GMs/Devs to get involved AT ALL though, considering that the thieves did not exploit anything in order to enter.
My 2 Tria: How were they supposed to coordinate this ahead of time? It's kinda hard to predict when somebody's going to leave the guildhouse unlocked...btw...RPing leaving clues behind for the long-term is difficult without extremely close coordination and/or some form of support from the game-mechs. Also, people tend to have OOC emotions over their characters, unfortunately. (some more than others) So, if you feel like settling this through coordination, go ahead...I personally do not think of it as right for GMs/Devs to get involved AT ALL though, considering that the thieves did not exploit anything in order to enter.
I dont' ask for much coordination just some kind of notice and agreement. But doing it like this not leaving us any option on how to act is bad RP IMHO.
And as I said: You could have asked me and i would have forgotten to lock the door. Now I will never participate in a event like this.
If at least one person in EL knew this and could ensure us that nothing "bad" would happen yea, then I would feel a lot more possitive about this. Right now I dont' see any
way out of this RP-wise.
The GM's got involved because nobody in EL knew this was a RP. Whether or not they exploited anything i don't know and have no way of telling.
- Kiaerulf
Fholen Medraa says: I don't understand. Can you rephrase?Ouch, own goal - please tell me you consider NPCs are meant to be smarter than that, and please tell me you didnt do the break in front of Fholens nose... :-X
Sov says: about robbery
Fholen Medraa says: I don't understand. Can you rephrase?
Sov says: about thieves
Fholen Medraa says: I don't understand. Can you rephrase?
Sov says: about guild house
Fholen Medraa says: I don't understand. Can you rephrase?
No, we left after cleaning you out I think, but you'll never know will you?A proper and honest "No of course not" can be expected, instead of provoking more ::|
Quote from: SovFholen Medraa says: I don't understand. Can you rephrase?Ouch, own goal - please tell me you consider NPCs are meant to be smarter than that, and please tell me you didnt do the break in front of Fholens nose... :-X
Sov says: about robbery
Fholen Medraa says: I don't understand. Can you rephrase?
Sov says: about thieves
Fholen Medraa says: I don't understand. Can you rephrase?
Sov says: about guild house
Fholen Medraa says: I don't understand. Can you rephrase?
I'd like to point out that it isnt JUST IZZABELLA.. I posted this thread and I am responsible as well, so please don't direct all your abuse to her.Quote1. Do you intend to return our stuff?Nope, we sold it already
Quote2. Why did you wait at least 33 hours to inform us that you were doing a RP and we don't really have any option than to accept and follow the rules you have set?I think you realized the moment one of you tried to get into the guild hall and warning you would really have ruined our stealth don't you think?
Quote3. You don't considering involving us in a RP like that without even asking one of us and set up a set of rules is god modding?Setting up rules for robbing.. thats a contradiction already. Theres not really a way to make a theft "fair".. and theres also no way of planning you leaving your door open.... go figure.
Quote4. How can you claim we left our door open when we know it might as well be a bug? We instructs the members that have a kety for the GH carefully how to enter the house you know.Obviously one of your members forgot to lock it as every other house is locked and has been locked since that time. Also, when you lock your own house don't you check its locked properly?
Quote5. Do you think we find loosing all our stuff in the GH fun without knowing why it is gone and having no chance of knowing who did it?No I shouldn't think it was terribly fun for you but being robbed is never fun. It is gone because you left the door open and we did it. <<still ooc btw :)
Quote6. wouldn't it have been possible to do this just by taking our furniture or some other unimportant stuff and leaving a note saying you have been robbed instead of ripping us completely taking stuff that there was a purpose why it was there?As I mentioned before thieves don't take your underwear they take your TV, thats completely illogical
Quote7. Do you intend to leave us clues somewhere so we have a chance of tracking you down (IC)?We have left lots of clues but you obviously haven't seen them so what more can we do?
Quote8, will you be willing to negotiate a set of rules for this that alters the way you have acted so far?Like what? we return your stuff and surrender to the town guard suffering a permadeath? or prewarn you in advance next time so you can say no?
Quote9. did you consider that this might actually course a lot more harm than fun?It's a robbery, it isn't fun. Next time will break into your guild house and tidy it up and maybe leave some nice things for you.
Quote10. why did you not contact at least one of our members before you did this? That would have helped a lot on how we feel about thisSee question number 2
Quote11. Did you leave chars in our GH which could steel even more stuff from us?No, we left after cleaning you out I think, but you'll never know will you?
Quote12. How did you manage to steal everything when there were around 100 Elemental Light members sleeping in there and a few others which have been granted access?100 people in your guildhouse? do you sleep on the windowsill? Pretty cosy I would imagine ;)
Quote13. How can you say for sure that the NPC outside our door didn't otice anything oh and also the NPC at the entrance into the Plaza?After the event I asked Fholen Medraa about it and he said:Quote
Fholen Medraa says: I don't understand. Can you rephrase?
Sov says: about robbery
Fholen Medraa says: I don't understand. Can you rephrase?
Sov says: about thieves
Fholen Medraa says: I don't understand. Can you rephrase?
Sov says: about guild house
Fholen Medraa says: I don't understand. Can you rephrase?
So I think that about covers all your questions. Please let me know if you have more...
For all those who didnt get it *sigh* it was a joke...
Check if you are silly by going here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU)
1: Your guild still doesn't have anything pointing to us as a guild... that im aware of.. so no ic action should really be taken agaisnt us unless you have a firm IC reason for agression non-related to this event.Not even now proving "size" to reach a hand by offering them a chance.. I have to admit that disappoints me a bit. If there is the slightest chance the door was unlocked not due to having forgotten to lock it, but by a bug, to agree on an ICish hint to be found within the house by the EL would be quite fair. Instead of being stubborn and saying "We are untouchable", you could come along with something like you can keep a part of it (Yes, I know you already sold it, but items arent unique).
Meh, reading through the thread I have mixed feelings.
Then, the entire guildhouse was cleaned out. One could ask yourself how that's done since the house would unlikely be deserted (no players around is no excuse, since your character becomes invisible when logged out). Dumb NPCs is no excuse either. Also, thieves would steal valuable goods and I don't see thieves running off with tables, chairs, bookcases, potted plants and entire closets. Such a theft would surely not go unnoticed by either random folks, guards or merchants.
This situation is hard to fix, since the items are already gone. Because of some hostile feeling I'm sensing here I doubt a good follow-up roleplay will come from this too. I think both parties have learned, better leave it at that. The first guildhouse robbery was bound to happen, and it was bound to go wrong.
My 2 cents,
ICly, even if NPCS or players saw us, they had no idea who we were or what we were doing with the "huge shelves" etc.. We could have been movers. I have been robbed in RL and our neighbours were told that they were "Aluminum collectors" They cleaned our house out.
Secondly, TECHNICALLY "IC" There is no log off button, so if your character is not visible *He just _isn't_ there* So sorry.
If anyone noticed Outlaws or ToY in that vicinity they should come forward, then you might have a reason IC to investigate.
Well, that may be, but I now wonder if that door was truely forgotten to be locked, or if the burglars access was possible due to a bug..
Given that doubt, and consdering the length of this thread: Why the heck cant you two parties come along and agree on a certain and defined evidence? Perhaps even agree on a fair process to decide at some point over the loot? In worst case.. whatever, roll a fricking dice!
But if things wheel on like this there wont be an agreement and both parties will stay upset.
We are talking out things in private.
Neko I request a lock to this thread please.
we are talking with moderator
/chill pill all!sounds good! \\o//