think it's boring to sit in that tavern when it's empty what makes you think I want to be there for 5 hours hoping someone comes?
Ditto.
Emphasis added.
And I can be contacted, people can contact me in and out of game. I talk to people but I only talk to people that want to, I'm not going to bend someones arm to make them communicate with me. I talk to new players and RP with players I've never RPed with before. It takes more than communication. For one it takes a two way respect.
Emphasis added.
Ditto again.
And jacula did produce a lot of RP, but he's gone for now ...
Yes. My point exactly.
One excellent player who's 'gone for now' is a major loss to the community. If all OSP sites disappeared overnight, I couldn't care less. I cannot learn any RP, be it action-based or not, from barrels, or chairs, or Oja carpets, however beautiful they are. I cannot roleplay with Lady Peckerly either, and I know that for sure, because I tried
many times. In a row.
...and so far Vakachekh is the only other person to really try to step up with a wide scale action RP idea.
...and so far Vakachehk has a lot to learn himself first and 'really try to step up with a wide scale action RP idea' later, or else the idea will fail.
No offense meant.Keep in mind that although action RPs get more attention and support. It's generally the convo people that keep everything from going down entirely and it's usually the convo people that keep the door open for action RPs.
Everything
is going down. We want it back up and thriving. It's what this thread is about, isn't it?
In my
personal opinion again, it's all about the general attitude. About players, especially the older ones. They get bored RPing with each other for years, they start seeping away slowly, while still waiting for the younger generation of players (let's say that straight: for the noobs!) to go pay them some OOC respects first and maybe get some bit of RP done later, either with them, or just in their presence. Or maybe not. Or maybe next time, sorry. Or...
It simply does not work this way, and that's why things keep falling apart.
Unless this gruesome attitude is changed, we'll just have more misguided noobs around, more good RPers leaving, and so on. The problem reproduces itself. It's not likely to get solved with some of the 'live legends' returning, unless those legends learn how to
reach out to the newer folks. Not with their player-maintained chairs and player-crafted pies, sorry, but
with their good RP. Like Jacula and Rigwyn did, like Roled, and Jaycol, and Keella, and Destina, and Vilthis, and Marsuveus, and Eelin, and some other people (too few!!!) keep doing in-game, without setting any conditions on how their hard work must be paid back. They just do it and... I may be wrong but I guess
they love it. They see you, they greet you, they start RPing with you, they teach you to RP, you learn from them, you start your own RPs, you involve some newer people in it, and... life goes on.
Hopefully. Fingers crossed.
And on a side note, not directed at anyone in particular(and no not at you Mickra. I have to say this before I have another argument in my thread for no good reason), but I have to go ahead and get this off of my chest. Do the people that prefer action RPs realize that their RPs are not the only valid one?
The answer to your question: yes.
The question to your answer: before you have
what, sorry?
I hear a lot of talk about how people who prefer to convo RPs should not try and shove it down the throats of people who prefer action RPs, but would it kill action people to show a little respect for the conversations? Just as a courtesy. Respect does not equal liking it.
This obviously has nothing to do with my message, so... weapon changed. Skipping.
Comment on how you dislike it all you like, fine... to each their own, but at this point I'm halfway inclined to start point how action RPs are crap for each person that can't manage a wee bit of courtesy on the matter.
...or maybe it has, after all?
To make things clear: I believe any RP that doesn't include both conversation and action is, quite literally, lame. It's an one-eyed rat with 2.7 legs and no tail. It deserves neither respect nor courtesy and should get none.
'Everyday talks RP' = poor RP. Not because it is done through conversation, but because the conversation it's done through, it has nothing to do with RP, it doesn't lead to choices being made, to consequences being imposed. It's just OOC niceness and 'having fun'. Mug fights, by the gods... The more people are deceived into believing it is roleplay, the less chance for roleplay to survive.
'Action' doesn't necessarily need to include killing, stealing or even quarreling. It can be moving from town to town, or lecturing, or selling goods IC'ly, or I don't know... mining valuable things out of the ground. As long as it adds to the story, it's action and it's good. Not my thing, yes, but does it matter? It's RP anyway.
As long as it doesn't add to the story, it's crap, even if it only consists of killing and dueling and name-calling. Same goes to some 'wide scale action RP ideas', like having a World War 0 for no reason whatsoever. (No
personal offense meant.)
I'm not saying all the people that prefer action RPs are like this, but it is getting a bit tiresome for people to be rude because they are likely same people that will get their righteous ire up if someone did to them.
Likely. Very likely. I believe Nivm said that someplace already, or something very close to that:
please do not try to make us believe all these 'fun' smallscale chats, parties and mug fights, beer fests, elaborate greetings and farewells, birthdays and birthday gifts, choices in drinks and dresses, caring about each other's health and kids and spouses in walls of text in Main, admiring each other's mounts, and such, and such, and such
IS roleplaying.
It
can be part of some superb RP. Or not. But
it can't be all of it. Millions of virtual cookies will only make a huge pile of virtual cookies. So sweet and so useless, and rotting so fast, too.
Usually I try to explain that to my non-RP friends who just "want to have some fun, what's wrong with that?" and only care about RP when it gets in their way and makes them angry because it's not all nice and sweet and it takes more than just smiling at anyone around.
Makes me wonder indeed.