The Team and the Community

[Datruth]

We should not Ask, nor demand for change, and if we have an idea... put in in the wish list...........

We should just play the game, no need to ask for change, change will come in time, as dictated by the higher ups.

Till then, Go to the gold mine and dig away.

He understands! Now that that's done, who is going to lock this?

Why santiago, feel threatened by the exchange of ideas?

I wonder why you of all people would be?

Edit: By the way, the one person that hasn't replied here that i'd like very much to would be Talad. Hearing his opinion about this would just make my day a whole lot better, I really wanna here what he has to say about this.

So if you devs arn't too busy, anyone mind sending him this way?

[DaveG]

Now that that's done, who is going to lock this?

Oh, oh... I will! o/

I thought this one would fizzle out on its own.  Guess not.  Lock.

1) We do not have hundreds logging in on a daily basis, get your facts strait.

Yes, we actually do.  Average online is usually over a hundred.  Unless all those people are on 24/7, we have some logging on/off at different times and probably a couple hundred people in total, at different times.  (we really need better stats, though)

Why has this thread not been locked? It is offensive to everybody, I think. The Planeshift dev team are OBVIOUSLY committed individuals. It does not take a 99 INT to figure that out.

Don't you just love irony?  It's a long rambling thread complaining about the lack of a player voice, yet somehow the voice is allowed in this thread.  If you had no voice, this would've been deleted long ago.  You very much have a voice here.  (sometimes loud and annoying)  However, we have no obligation to listen to it, and if you continute down you run the risk of making us ignore you more often.  Datruth, just think about how this all sounds.  Your second post in this thread contains this:

You have to understand something though.
Sometimes what you implement impedes the Players.
We don't like going on long walks, and we're letting that be known.

I'd think one of the nicest and most intelligent persons on this board would understand what i meant.
You've always been a fair person, so hear us out.
We want fixes, and we want them now.

We won't settle for the Tester theory anymore.

What do you expect will be the response?  That's one of the more arrogant statements I've heard around here in a while.  Frankly, I'd prefer to simply ban anyone who refuses to report the most basic of testing, but that's probably more extreme than the rest of us.  I see no posts from you in the bugs forum or on BugTracker, and my guess is you won't ever be there.  You've been here for about 6 weeks (based on forum registration) and you've already got an ego the size of mount Everest.

You want to give "input" but you haven't the damnedest clue what that would be.  Complaining about making to citys not directly next to eachother is not input, it's whining of the worst kind.  Demanding bugfixes is not input, it's just plain arrogant.

Let me sum things up:
1) We encourage constructive player input.
2) Most players don't do #1 at all, this thread included.
3) We have no obligation to listen to your input.  If you give us crappy ideas or whining, we aren't going to listen to you.
4) People who can't stand that the players are not running the show should leave.  No, you're not in control here.  You can't show up somewhere, loiter around for a handful of weeks, or any time period, and just start demanding things.

Threads like these are odd.  They're like self-fulfilling prophecies and self-proving theories, all rolled into one.  You say you don't have a voice, and eventually the thread is locked.  We say your voice isn't always as thrilling as you assume it to be, and the posts here prove that.  I don't really care what you convince yourself.  We are making a game here because we want to.  It's free forever, and players even have the rare posibility to talk to a few devs.  If you're mad that this isn't what you want, good for you.  If you have nothing constructive to say, don't say anything at all.

Edited to add:
Oh, a request was made of a post from Talad.  I thought I might as well just paste what he said in the other thread:

In my opinion the game is made as we think it will look great, but with many hints and tiips from the players. We often look at the forums and wishlist to understand what people want. We have some basic guidelines that will not change whatever players say (like the Player Killing argument), but in general we are open to discussions, like we are inside the team.

Honestly, I really don't even know what this thread is about.  You're demanding bugfixes and "a voice", but I don't really see anything of substance here.  This isn't exactly a nice little discussion, and if you ever want to give "input" it had better be done as such or expect another locked thread.  These forums are getting more and more spitefull, and less and less respectfull.  Please discuss, not demand.

[Karyuu]

Datruth, you very obviously want your own "player monarchy," so here is what you do:

Grab PlaneShift's code, find yourself a pair of artists, and build your own game with its own community. But leave this one alone. PlaneShift isn't yours, it's Talad's. We are only here to help him build his vision of the world. You don't own Yliakum and you don't own us volunteers to tell us how to work. If you ask nicely with a decent well-thought out suggestion, you will be listened to. So until you learn how to behave, please have a great time, somewhere else. And guess what?

You could start off with making the NPC's a bit smarter, stopping the fall off the world bug, and making 2 portals at the end of the death realm, one that leads to hydlaa, one to oja.

Do you think that making NPCs smarter takes a day? A week? Do you think it's a matter of clicking some buttons on a computer that automatically calculates how smart an NPC is? The overwhelming majority of us are not professionals to create World of Warcraft within a month. Most of us learn as we build and create.

So stop making our jobs harder than they already are. Stop causing grief to us volunteers, stop waving your hands and pretending there is an angry mob behind you sharing your every exact concern. You are a single player who thinks you are owed something, when you were instead invited to share unfinished Yliakum and see it progress.

As I said before:

We owe you nothing except the promise that we will put out work of the best quality we can achieve.