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Thiridant

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Will there be Idiot Control in PS?
« on: September 30, 2004, 04:30:48 am »
I have to aske this question.  

I have played a few MMO-RPGs and I have found myself surrounded by bad players.

Bad players are L33ter players, cheaters , ebayers and etc.

How will this be controlled?

Whats PS\'s stance on naming avatar\'s?

Will there be instancing like in Guild Wars and EQ2 to give this game single player richness and a tiny bit of privacy?

And what about the use of bots will that be fought?

I guess since this is a free game I should just shut up but I\'m just curious?


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« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2004, 04:38:23 am »
Such excellent questions.  So excellent in fact that they have been answered before.

Look around a little.

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« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2004, 06:50:29 am »
i Think the games rp enforced meaning no numbers in names.,
so i dont think l33ters will be a problem also, how are Ebayers  idoits ? selling of 8-bit worth of memory for C.H.C. (cold hard cash) isnt that bad isn\'t it ?
« Last Edit: October 01, 2004, 05:44:12 pm by snow_RAveN »
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« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2004, 08:40:05 am »
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Bad players are L33ter players, cheaters , ebayers and etc.

How will this be controlled?


As for the cheaters, PS has a unique set of programs that are to catch all unnormal behaviour. Mapmodifications and client modifications are very easy to detect as the client needs the server\'s approval for just about everything it does, and so it will be sending lots of malicious data that the anticheat will pick up and report. As for bugs, well... We can only hope the bug finders will report the bugs rather than use them. Or it will just take a while longer to discover who the cheaters are, and ban them. As for cheating in general, try and look at the page called \"Cheating\" on the main site.

The l33ters and ebayers... Well, as long as you\'re not l33t in public and breaking the rules by calling people idiots and whatnot, there\'s not much anyone can do. Names, however, do need to follow the \"Roleplay Only\" rule. And by roleplay only, I mean a REAL name. Not \"GodOfThunder\" or \"SuperAssassin\". Those are nicknames, and they\'re lame. A name generator has been provided to give incompetent players a good name. :)

As for the ebayers. I don\'t really see them problem with them. If people are willing (and stupid) enough to buy stuff for real money, then I say let them. But that\'s not really up to me. That\'s for Talad to decide.


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Will there be instancing like in Guild Wars and EQ2 to give this game single player richness and a tiny bit of privacy?


It\'s a MMORPG. Why do you want single player things?


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And what about the use of bots will that be fought?


I\'m not sure of the details on this one, but such things can easily be monitored, and spotting someone who has been playing non-stop for 72 hours (just to make an example) shouldn\'t be too much of a problem.
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« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2004, 08:58:46 pm »
Yeah but most people won\'t be stupid enough to run a bot for 3 days straight.

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« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2004, 11:18:37 pm »
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Yeah but most people won\'t be stupid enough to run a bot for 3 days straight.


I\'ve played MMORPGs since I was 12. I\'m sure I could amaze you with many stories about how stupid people can be. :)
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« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2004, 07:32:51 am »
I agree with Grono...

I think it was Einstein who said
\"The only constant in the universe is human stupidity\"

Never underestimate the possible stupidity of others.

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« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2004, 12:00:44 pm »
Another good quote along the stupid line is: \"No one has ever gone broke by understimating the inligence of others.\"
I really like that one.
The problem with bots is that the people who use them are not always stupud -Lazy?- Hell yes, but not always stupid. They tend to take their lazyness into hyperwork mode and spend hours trying to make the bot\'s AI look like a real person. Now if they had only invesed that time in the game they would be more powerfull and have some friends or real enemies to PK instead of preying on the weak like old lame wolves.

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« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2004, 12:27:20 pm »
In one beta testing game I used to play there was a guy using a macro to mine iron ore. I sat there watching the iron fall to his feet and decided to get rich off him so I proceded to pick up all the ore. The next day he was still there and about 3 people were crouded around (wasnt a well know game and was small) all trying to get rich off him. After they had all left I got an Amazon to chase me over to him and then teleported away, I then took the short 10 second stroll across the map and he was being stabbed in the back and just ignoring the Amazon untill he died. Then I ran back to town and he had respawned but was still trying to mine the rock but was stuck in a building.
Just an example of what can happen to you if you leave the game going for more than 2 days. It is pretty obvious when someone is using a macro on a game like Tibia since they seem to have mystical rapidfire fishing rods ;)

Maybe PS could have a system where if a character is doing exactly the same thing and seeming to move every 1 second no more no less then they get kicked of something like that

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« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2004, 12:42:55 pm »
Then you just add a random number generator and wait that number, or do that other tasks and then proceed with the mining.

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« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2004, 12:50:12 pm »
I guess we\'ll just have to deal with bots, and hope that people don\'t use them too much.

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« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2004, 02:03:52 pm »
Random Events help to prevent boting. For instance that your pick axe breaks but can easily be fixed or a rock golem attacks you. In Neocron there was a time where you would just need to press one button to research an item and you could do it over and over again until your inventory was full (or your blueprints gone). To prevent a bot doing this for you they made the window move everytime (or 2nd time) you clicked  the start button (and you needed something else to research - didnt play that long though).

I think thought that in Planeshift bots wont be a that big problem (since i think there are many people who keep an eye on suspicous players and the game itself doesnt foster bots with an experience-system afaik)

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« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2004, 07:35:19 pm »
The best way to avoid bots is PVP. Bots are easy kills. My snipers in another MMORPG killed many bots, and the flames I got from the owners added a lot to the fun of it :D

(but not everyone likes PVP and so I doubt that there will be unlimited PVP in Planeshift ... or will there? :D)

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« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2004, 08:10:17 pm »
Azasello - Outside of duels and \"arenas\" it\'s no PVP.

Bots will not be a problem, that\'s why we have GMs in-game.

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« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2004, 02:48:07 am »
Pegasus, the pick breaking and the golems, wizards etc, are from runescape aren\'t they? I had wondered at the reason for easily mended pick axes myself. Stupid game really, also, it never stopped bots, there were heaps.

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