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Wierd homework, your oppinion?
« on: November 09, 2004, 07:33:35 pm »
Hi!

I have a wierd homework to do that all in my class where given, kinda a poll or discussion to bring some graphs up.

Translated: How do you think homo/bi sexuals fit in the social life?
What\'s your oppinion on these \"directions\"?

I understand if ppl find this offensive or something but that\'s not my intention, and please tell me as much as you can :)

Thanks!
« Last Edit: November 09, 2004, 07:39:35 pm by Androgos »

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« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2004, 07:37:06 pm »
so... were supposed to tell you our oppinion?

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« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2004, 07:40:00 pm »
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so... were supposed to tell you our oppinion?


I would appriciate it yes.

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« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2004, 08:00:30 pm »
I see nothing wrong with that -> I think they fit nicely. Well, why are we even asking ourselves this? Shouldn\'t it be the other way round - what, are they causing trouble ... It seems to me like the 200yrs dead practice of someone being guilty until proven innocent.

And it has nothing to do with their fitting (they do), but how people interpret them (the other way round); nothing much is wrong with them, but with the rigid underpowered mind of the developed world. I repeat, I see no threat ergo no sense in this from my point of view. And I am pretty sure it would be hard to convince me otherwise - the arguments I\'ve heard are just plain small-minded. But if there is some reasonable explanation why they should be banned/burnt/shipped to a new continent, then tell me, so I can protect myself, my genus and the world!! :P
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« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2004, 08:01:12 pm »
My opinion on the matter is really simple. I feel that in no way should you discriminate in anyway against someone because of their Race, Religion or Sexual Preference etc.
If you are referring more towards social groups then what is the diffrence between one group and another. If they do not cause harm to myself or others in my life then I don\'t see an issue.

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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2004, 08:09:43 pm »
Sex was meant to be had between one man and one woman.  I don\'t care if everyone else accepts their lifestyle choice, I don\'t like it.  This does not mean I hate them as people, just their lifestyle choice.  Further, I definitely believe they should not be allowed to legally marry.  Marriage is a sacred vow between one man and one women.  Homosexuals should not be allowed to marry or to receive the benefits of being married.

This talk about people being born homosexual is a load.  Nowhere has science even begun to prove this, and plenty of homosexuals go straight.  Enough that it is obvious it is 100% the person\'s choice to be homosexual.

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« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2004, 08:11:12 pm »
heh Well I have encountered many homosexuals, but none that I have had any problems with aslong as they don\'t touch me I am fine (Touch as in sexually touch). Besides they can\'t say no to what they truly are, so just leave them be.

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« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2004, 08:33:37 pm »
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Sex was meant to be had between one man and one woman.  I don\'t care if everyone else accepts their lifestyle choice, I don\'t like it.  This does not mean I hate them as people, just their lifestyle choice.  Further, I definitely believe they should not be allowed to legally marry.  Marriage is a sacred vow between one man and one women.  Homosexuals should not be allowed to marry or to receive the benefits of being married.

This talk about people being born homosexual is a load.  Nowhere has science even begun to prove this, and plenty of homosexuals go straight.  Enough that it is obvious it is 100% the person\'s choice to be homosexual.

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Meant by who/what? And this also raises the polygamy questions. The way I see it, sex is just a way of reproduction. BUT since humans and some other advanced animals do have sex with non-reproductory goals, the definition could be expanded.

Like marriage needs protection, just look what came out of it - so many divorces etc. And why not just redefine the term? Or just call not straight weddings something else?

I agree about the being born part.
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« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2004, 08:52:31 pm »
I\'ll just say that it is my impression that everyone is born with a random amount of homosexuality, just like with everything else. The difference is that ppl. fear that they could try to \"get close\" to them, but OTOH, what about women? They have a really good reason to have these fears all the time... just because it\'s the other gender doesn\'t mean it\'s any better (in fact, it\'s even worse because they might be forced to have a baby, in addition to everything else).
Also, the polygamy issue is an important thing, because technically you\'d try to reproduce with as many partners as you can in order to spread your genes. However, monogamy is being practised, for various reasons that are not given through birth (but not necessarily invalid), so where is the difference anyway?
The way I see it is that ppl. just need to use common sense, respect and fairness in what they do, no matter what preferences they have, which really is the same as with music and religion.
So yes, I think that homosexual marriages should be treated the same as heterosexual ones, because along with the benefits there also come the duties. I\'m not forcing you to listen to my preferred music...

Edit: AFAICS, the idea behind marriage is not reproduction, since this would work perfectly well without marriage, but it is forming a stable bond, caring for your partner, and all these things that get promised upon marriage. Does the priest ask you \"Will you reproduce?\"? No, he doesn\'t, but he asks the \"good and bad times\" question. Therefore, marriage isn\'t for reproduction, but for social behaviour, which can be there regardless of what gender both partners are. In fact, if you\'d force homosexuals to marry straight, these relations will probably be less social because they don\'t actually like the partner, so this would in fact be unethical.
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« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2004, 08:54:41 pm »
I\'d just like to ask how allowing homosexual marriage is going to harm anyone. Is it going to destroy your future marriage, ArcaneFalcon? Do you feel threatened that the gays are going to take over? Marriage is a personal thing. You do yours, let them do theirs. For some it is sacred. For others, it is important only for the benefits it provides (i.e., joint insurance policies for home, auto and health, inheritance automatically in the absence of a will, status as next-of-kin for hospital visits and medical decisions where one partner is too ill to be competent, etc.). Why would you let a male and a female get these benefits, but not a male and a male, or a female and a female?

You are certainly free to disagree with their lifestyle. No one is going to bash you over the head for the way you think. But you -will- be bashed if you try to limit someone else\'s happiness when it doesn\'t affect you in the slightest.
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« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2004, 09:56:33 pm »
What\'s this homework for anyways? Kind of curious now ;)

Anyway, it seems my opinion rests with the majority of people here so far.  In my mind, homo/bi-sexual people have just made a lifestyle choice, so it makes them no different from the rest of people as far as socially goes.

As for my opinion on that \"direction\" they are taking in life, it doesn\'t really bother me.  Basically, as I see it, if it doesn\'t hurt anyone, people are allowed to express themselves as they wish.
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« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2004, 10:10:16 pm »
Personally I don\'t understand the question.  It\'s no different from asking someone how a man fits into social life or a child.  

I think the reason anyone pays attention to a person\'s sexual identity is because most people are stuck listening to the teachings of a 2000 year old religion.

Homosexuals do not give off gay cooties.  And they don\'t inspire \"gayness\" in people.  People single them out simply because they are ignorant.

ArcaneFalcon:  In my opinion that\'s no different from saying only white people were meant to procreate with whites.  And blacks with blacks.  Humans may have evolved to the state of only being able to reproduce between different sexes, but we live in a time now that hardly verges on the edge of extinction.  Partnership between same sexes is in no way going to affect anyone, in short or in the long run.

And I do believe that a person is born straight or homosexual.  Nature not nuture.  No person would willingly choose out of the blue to lead a life that would single them out and cast a dark shadow over them.  Those that do go back and forth between sexuality are simply dealing with confusing emotions and do not yet know which walk of life they should be taking.

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Again you are forcing religious beliefs on how other people live their life.  Marriage is not always Christian.  If so how do you think those billions that aren\'t got married?

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« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2004, 10:49:27 pm »
When knowledge of their sexuality gets out they usually dont fit in well, apart from those friends they already have. Humans fear what they do not understand, and the human way of getting rid of that fear is not a kind one.

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« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2004, 10:51:00 pm »
In what perspective should this homework be placed? (like type of course and stuff) And why is it a weird question? That might make it easier to answer.

ArcaneFalcon: Being gay has been scientifically proven to be a born abnormality.
Now i know you\'re going to ask me for a source, i don\'t have one at hand nor do i want to search for it right now. So if you don\'t want to believe me on my word that is fine, i wouldnt either.

For the rest i go along with the others.

btw should we start talking about male monkeys having sex?

furthermore about the marriage thing: As often (at least here) a couple is married both by the government officials and a religios person. So why not make public marriage open to all and let the religions decide for themselves whom they do or don\'t marry.
Seems most fair to me, no lifestyle/belief is forced on others and religions can still live out their views. Fits in with the seperation of religion and government.
« Last Edit: November 09, 2004, 10:57:24 pm by Ionas »

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« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2004, 11:25:21 pm »
I know this is long (sorry), the last paragraph is a summary.

To say that another\'s marriage doesn\'t effect you is just plain ignorant.  You think the government can hand out marriage benefits with absolutely no social or financial cost?  Absolutely not!  If they could, then they wouldn\'t worry about what diseases a person has, they wouldn\'t worry about how closely related people were, and they wouldn\'t worry about how many people you decide to marry (as in fact all 3 of those cases are also heavily regulated - at least in America).  The fact is, allowing anyone and everyone to marry is simply too much of a strain on society.  Only couples that will in some way give back to society should be allowed to marry.  What to normal heterosexual marriages give back to society?  They give back 2.3 children with at the least some high school education who are ready to take their places in society.  What do homosexual couples give back for their benefits?  _Nothing_.  And don\'t give me the \"they can adopt\" argument.  I don\'t need to spend my time persuading that homosexual couples produce screwed up kids as there have been tons of studies (by non-religious institutions) that can do all the persuading for me.  The simple fact is that homosexual couples running around with marriage benefits is just too much a strain on society (of which I am a part of), just like there is too much strain to have first cousins running around producing handicapped children, too much strain to have people with certain diseases getting married and spreading the disease to others, and also too much strain from having two males and three females get married.  

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And I do believe that a person is born straight or homosexual.
Why?  Why do you believe that?  I\'ll tell you why I don\'t believe it.  I don\'t believe it because there has not been one shread of scientific evidence that there is some \"homosexual gene\" or \"homosexual hormone\" or \"hormone imbalance\" that produces a homosexual person.  None.  Nothing.  The only reason people believe this is because someone suggested it, and it sounds like a good argument even though it has absolutely no truth to back it up.  Why do so many homosexuals start out straight, dating people of the opposite sex.  Why do so many homosexuals turn straight later in life, going on to marry and have a normal family?  Wouldn\'t this homosexuality that they were born with be with them for all of their life?
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No person would willingly choose out of the blue to lead a life that would single them out and cast a dark shadow over them.
They would choose to become homosexual because there are social and other influences that tell them that it is not only ok, but even that it is better for them.  You\'re right, no person would willingly choose a path that would lead them to be a social outcast.  But then again, choosing to be a homosexual doesn\'t do this (just look at how many of you support them).

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Homosexuals do not give off gay cooties. And they don\'t inspire \"gayness\" in people. People single them out simply because they are ignorant.
Since when has anyone suggested that homosexuals give off \"gay cooties.\"  I\'ve no idea what you are even getting at here.  People don\'t single out homosexuals because they are ignorant.  People single them out because they are a threat to society, because they attack the institution of marriage, and for many (including me) it goes against their morals and beliefs.

In summary, I don\'t support homosexuality, so called \"gay rights\", or homosexual marriage for the same reason I don\'t support abortion, euthenasia, self mutilation ( \"cutting\" ), or the legalization of all substance abuse.  It destroys society, a society that I, along with my (hopefully) future wife and children children will have to live in also.

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Edit:  Androgos, you\'d better thank us for doing your homework! :P
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