Wierd homework, your oppinion?

[Karyuu]

Waylander, I don\'t believe that marriage is a necessary institution as well, but currently the benefits it gives to the couple could really help their long-term relationship. Most of these legal and economic benefits cannot be privately arranged or contracted for. For example, in a legal (or civil) marriage, there is no guaranteed joint responsibility to the partner and to third parties (including children) in such areas as child support, debts to creditors, taxes, etc. The modern world is just built that way.. :/

[Adeli]

My girlfriend likes the idea because she\'d want people to know she was mine, she told me she wants a big sign letting everyone know.
I don\'t think it is necessary, it is just a more formal arrangement.

[Adeli]

My girlfriend likes the idea because she\'d want people to know she was mine, she told me she wants a big sign letting everyone know.
I don\'t think it is necessary, it is just a more formal arrangement.

Armeen, you\'re just jealous.

EDIT: I DON\'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENNED HERE! PLEASE DELETE

[cirdan telemnar]

its ok, aslong as their not trannies to cause that really scares me, guys in dresses kissing other guys= me 8o (this is suppose to be me scared not me gay -.-)

[Krahan]

i agree with arcane all the way.

[Karyuu]

Then perhaps you\'d like to address the faults I pointed out in his arguments, since it doesn\'t seem like he will?

[Moogie]

Originally posted by Merdarion
At First it seems a bit wierd. But it is an actual theme. The number of Homos & Bis is growing. I for myself think that they are doomed to be outsiders, because most people are offended by them.

Just thought I\'d point out that bisexuality is not more common these days than it was hundreds of years ago. The only reason people think this is because more gay people are allowing themselves to express their true nature in public, now that it is more socially acceptable.

Remember, they used to get tortured and burned at the stake, so \"Oh by the way, I\'m gay\" wasn\'t one of the most common phrases spoken in those times.

[Krahan]

one way it affects me is that is is against MY morals and values.

AIDS is more common in homosexuals than anything, and there are many gays that go straight. If they have gotten AIDS, and they decide that they really weren\'t born with tthis homosexuality, than that can get to me easier, this is health matters.

EDIT: Oh, and as you mentioned, why should gays not be able to get those material things from marriage? I do not believe anyone should marry just for those material things. Let\'s talk when a man and a man, or a woman and a woman can have a baby together. The anatomy of a man and a women were made so that a man and a woman can have babies and get married. Not a man and a man, not a woman and a woman.

[Karyuu]

You didn\'t really address what I wanted you to.

>>>AIDS is more common in homosexuals than anything [...]<<<

Could you please cite a respectable source for this information?

>>>[...] there are many gays that go straight.<<<

And there are many \'straights\' that go \'gay\'. Your point is moot. Also, the rest of your post is rather hard to comprehend...

>>>The anatomy of a man and a women were made so that a man and a woman can have babies and get married.<<<

The anatomy of men and women have nothing to do with marriage. This just shows how desperate you are to make a point :/

Also, do you realize that there are couples who never want children? Are they somehow less human because of it? Do you also realize that there are indeed people who get married -solely- for those benefits? We do not live in a lovey-dovey world.

[Krahan]

for the AIDS, ask all of the homosexuals who are dieing from it, and I could provide a source, but anyone can doubt any source.

my point is is that it can affect my health because of these gays, who can transfer diseases, because they have gotten AIDS from another homosexual. They \'turn straight\' and may transfer these diseases.

EDIT: The people who do marry -soley- for these benifits i disagree with, whether they are straight or homosexual. This again, goes against my morals and values. When did i say anything about people who wanted to get married but have no children, no it does not make them less human. Oh, and obviously we do not live ina lovey-dovey world, as I disagree with you.

[Draklar]

Originally posted by Krahan
When did i say anything about people who wanted to get married but have no children

Originally posted by ArcaneFalcon
They give back 2.3 children with at the least some high school education who are ready to take their places in society.  What do homosexual couples give back for their benefits?  _Nothing_.

Originally posted by Krahan
i agree with arcane all the way.

oh look, you did...

Originally posted by Krahan
but anyone can doubt any source.

Anyone will doubt it more without the source...

- Swords

[Zetsumei]

A main reason for AIDS being prevalent within the gay community is that it\'s known emergence is traced back to a very promiscuous gay man.  So you had mostly gay men with AIDS, and then there\'s drugs, and the few who\'re bi, so that leads to heterosexuals.

As for the threat of contracting AIDS from a gay man or woman \'turned\' straight, I don\'t quite see your point, unless you have a problem with condoms.

As for marriage, I don\'t see a point in it, other than for it\'s legal and economic benefits, and it should be for anyone who wants it.  I don\'t have a religious reason for marriage, being an atheist, and I really don\'t feel like I need a legally binding contract to tell someone that I love them.  And then there\'s always the problems of divorce (unless there\'s a pre-nup) and don\'t get me started on annulment.

And as for homosexuality itself, good for them, means that many more women left for me.  Most of my friends are gay or bi, and the only real difference I see is that the sex jokes and talk about sex switch genders mostly.

Also, when it comes to statistics, I hate them all, because you can say anything with a statistic; give me raw data any day.

And just because you\'re gay doesn\'t mean you can\'t, or won\'t, have children; I\'m living proof of that.

[Ionas]

Great discussion this has become. Gives an interesting view on moral beliefs.

The reason to think gay marriage is wrong comes from religious (and in this case from christianity) right?
Im curious though, the people whom have this opinion what they base it on. Where in the bible does it explicatly say that being gay is immoral?

Oh and one more thing: Not allowing gay marriage doesn\'t prevent gay people from having a relationship and sex. So you\'re not preventing anything.

Sex with the same gender hasn\'t been weird in every culture. In ancient greece it was very common.

[Zetsumei]

Originally posted by Ionas
Oh and one more thing: Not allowing gay marriage doesn\'t prevent gay people from having a relationship and sex. So you\'re not preventing anything.

I think the argument is more for equal rights, and they are being prevented, so long as civil unions aren\'t recognized.  Personally, I could care less about public, religious weddings, but for some it\'s a very important thing.  But yeah, I think the main argument is for being able to do what heterosexual couples can do, and they don\'t want any \'separate but equal\' bull.  That\'s my interpretation anyway.

As for homosexuality being immoral in the Bible, you should read it more often.  Sodom and Gomorrah are certainly part of that, although it was also general debauchery as well, and personally it sounded like a great place to be at the time.  There are several places in the bible where homosexuality is directly condemned.  I can\'t and won\'t quote chapter and verse at the moment, but I\'m fairly sure the skeptic\'s annotated bible will have it already laid out.

[Ionas]

Originally posted by Zetsumei
I think the argument is more for equal rights, and they are being prevented, so long as civil unions aren\'t recognized.

I don\'t see any reason to be against equel rights if it means no differences in practice. Then it really is about forcing ones morals upon others.

As for homosexuality being immoral in the Bible, you should read it more often.  

As im no longer christian i never read the bible (or ever did much). I do know there are parts though. But in fact i wanted people to come with the specific parts.
As those parts are often very brutal in language it seems strange to me to take those parts seriously.
Then again at the part of Mozes and the ten commandments the bible also speaks about death for sinners.