Wierd homework, your oppinion?

[Draklar]

Yeah, when it comes to Sodom and Gomorrah, the people there were given last chance, but they all wanted to have sex with the angel...
or something... I didn\'t read it in Bible, rather in some kind of sick christian anti-gay comic...

- Swords

[Karyuu]

Originally posted by Krahan
my point is is that it can affect my health because of these gays, who can transfer diseases, because they have gotten AIDS from another homosexual. They \'turn straight\' and may transfer these diseases.

Did you know that it is your responsibility to get regular check-ups and STD tests, as well as use protection during sex? If you know who you are dealing with, the chances of contracting an STD are fairly low. If you poink everything that breathes and comes your way, then you have problems.

Your point, again, is moot.

[TheRedMonk]

Actually, Krahan is right about one thing. Death from AIDS is more common among homosexuals and bisexuals than among heterosexuals. Still, like Karyuu said it is every persons responsibility to use protection so unless you get violated by a homosexual (let\'s not discuss probability) you should be able to stay healthy.

[Moogie]

Whatever happened to \"love thy neighbour\" and \"turn the other cheek\"...? Guess it\'s just like in any argument, people will deliberately omit things that disprove the points they\'re trying to make.

You have to admit that marriage purely for legal benefits is extremely common these days. When two people fall in love, they very often get married, regardless of if they\'re Christian or not. Many people get married in the registrar\'s office if they don\'t want a traditional ceremony with all the vows infront of \'God\'. And ohmigosh... its not illegal. Millions of athiests and non-believers get married every year, in churches, and they\'re ALLOWED to. By law.

But wait... just because these other couples are not opposite genders, they\'re NOT allowed! Doesn\'t matter if they believe in god, oooh no. They could be the most believing believers who could ever believe. But THAT doesn\'t matter one bit. All that matters is their sexual orientation, because of course, that\'s SO much more important than not believing in God at all.

Apparently.

[Adeli]

Listen to Karyuu, she knows what she is talking about.
AIDS is from lack of prevention, not homosexual sex.
Think of Thailand, millions there have AIDS, this is from the sex trade, not homosexuality.

My old religion actually taught that homosexuality was wrong, and I did not like this. While I do not feel that way about men, anyone who wants to, can do so in my opinion.

I think most of the arguments against gay marriage come more from ignorance and hatred than religion. It seems very, er... closeminded stupidity to me. Most homophobics I know are insecure about their sexuality. Whether it is sexual insecurity or religion, you have no right to force your beliefs on others.

Moogie, does that mean you are against atheism? I don\'t think marriage should be restricted in any way. I believe in freedom of choice.

[JellyWerker]

I think homos and ib\'s are ok, but I agree with ArcaneFalcon, I think they are fine as people, but I disagree with their sexual preferences, I also think they should not be allowed to marry, or get married benefits, but I am 13, so nobodies cares about my opinion.  

Post Script: By the way Moogie, I like that phrase: \"They could be the most beliving believers who could ever believe.\"

[Adeli]

Tecnically Moogie, that is very unlikely.
Because they are preached against... most are disillusioned with religion, or atheists.
But I know what you meant.

Jellywerker: I too think \"ib\'s\" are okay.

[Isolis]

Well i am a Christian. So every1 here  should know how i stand on this subject. People was made to em lets say connect in a way. Think of a puzzle putting in a square cube into a square slot well people who live the same gender that\'s  like trying to put a triangle into a circle slot. ( don\'t mean to offend anyone) Hence y my family voted bush

[Icefalcon]

Originally posted by Karyuu
Did you know that it is your responsibility to get regular check-ups and STD tests, as well as use protection during sex? If you know who you are dealing with, the chances of contracting an STD are fairly low. If you poink everything that breathes and comes your way, then you have problems.

Your point, again, is moot.

Just have to point this out. If everyone would save sex for marriage between a man and a woman, aids would hardly be a problem, it would eventually die out. You can\'t argue with that.

I don\'t really want to get involved in this, but I take Arcanefalcon\'s side.

[dannythompson]

I voted for bush. BUT! WAIT! I HAVE AN IMPORTANT THING TO ADD! LISTEN! I did not vote for him because of the way he feels about gay couples. I think that first of all that god or some higher plane of being created this place.

We are here as small organisms making a way here. But I do not feel that this higher plane created everything for a purpose meaning or value. I beleive the universe was created in a huge explosion yes, but the source of this is I feel that higher plane of existance.

Now when I say that I mean that everything you see here on earth and in the universe became that way through itself. That higher existance merely watches everything and does not interfere I beleive. So to Isolis\' response that gays were not made to fit together I think that is right, but very wrong at the same time.

Evolution didn\'t mean for this to happen, but it did anyways and that is just one more evolution for the human race. Things happen on the world for zany reasons, but I don\'t think anything of higher power manipulated every single little thing. I find that quite absurd. I beleive that the reproduction system was created for once purpose, children and it spawned out of crazy settings and complications.

So all in all, gays are all right in my book. They don\'t rape anyone anymore than anyone else. That study that homosexuals have more STDS than straights is completely bogus as the 2nd hand smoke causing cancer is. Both are just instances of one poorly put together study being done by a highly respected member of the scientific community. This happens and everyone holds it as the all holy truth from heaven. This is untrue, just a bunch of copy cats. Remember that these are theories and haven\'t been proven to any sort of scientific level.

So just leave them alone. Regardless of your views on homosexuality leave tem alone. If you feel these people are doing the wrong thing, let them be and turn the other cheek. Unless one of them rapes you, they aren\'t hurting you.

Now after all I\'ve said I\'ll release a bombshell. I DONT support gay marriage. This however is not because I don\'t like gay people though. This is because I don\'t think that there should any benifits for married people. They should just give benifits to people who sign a release as a couple under law. Think about this, if this happened in some other religion like islam, and the goverment, I dont know said... that a man couldn\'t wear a green shirt during a holy matromony of 2 people then alot of people would think, \"What a dick hole, what is he doing, its a simple rule dont wear a green shirt\" But since this is america, and marriage is that matromony and its held under law and order and that cheezy green shirt is gay couples, the situation is much more delicate. There for we shouldn\'t give any benifits to married people and just start a new coupling system with no resemblence to marriage and that be that.

END!

[Moogie]

Adeli: No, I think you misunderstood my post. I have nothing against gay people or Athiests. The point I was trying to make was the religious people in this world, and those speaking here, seem to care more about gay people marrying than they do about non-believers marrying. The fact that it is against the law to marry if you\'re male + male, yet perfectly fine if you don\'t even believe in God... I think that\'s obsurd.

Like I always say, if you\'re going to be intolerant, be intolerant without discrimination.

[Efflixi Aduro]

Moggie what you\'re saying is kinda what I have trouble with.  The bible says that gays cant marry.  So why can gays marry  in a christian church?  You see its kinda strange... I have nothing against gays or getting married but I think it should be like outside a church or somthing. Ah nevermind. Why would I caare anyways? I have nothing against gays...

[Draklar]

Originally posted by dannythompson
Evolution didn\'t mean for this to happen, but it did anyways and that is just one more evolution for the human race.

You\'re looking for the answer in the wrong place. Evolution has nothing to do with this. Human, just like any other animal, goes by the laws of nature. And it so happens that nature has large variety of its ways. Thanks to that we all are so different from each other. Some guys are more feminine than others, some are more masculine (and they go around smashing things ). It happens everywhere in the nature\'s kingdom. It didn\'t come with evolution, it was always like that. You can see homosexualism in behaviour of some other animals as well.
That\'s why christianity is against homosexualism. Because it comes from nature and christianity wants human to turn his back to it (If some of you don\'t know, satan is supposed to be manifestation of nature).
Of course that is load of crap, as proven by St. Francis of Assisi...

And this is for all you silly christians who are against homosexuality:
\"For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.\" (Matthew 6:14-15)
\"For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the same measure you use, it will be measured back to you.\" (Matthew 7:2)


- Swords

[ArcaneFalcon]

The Bible condemns homosexuality in several places.  Romans 1:26-27 and Leviticus 18:22 are 2 such passages.  (If you make the argument that old testament law doesn\'t apply - the leviticus passage - then you are wrong.  There were different types of old testament laws, one of which was moral laws.  While the specific laws themselves don\'t apply - referring to the punishment of death for seemingly menial crimes - the issue of morality - what is right and wrong - still applies.)  This is why, Moogie, I am against homosexuality altogether.  As for non-christians marrying, why would I be against a (non-Christian) man and women promising to love each other for the rest of their lives?  So long as they don\'t get divorced 5 years down the road I think it is fine.  

As far as homosexuals marrying for benefits, most of the benefits available to married couples are also available to unmarried couples (including homosexual couples) in some partner benefit laws (at least here in America) so I definitely see no reason for them to marry (though I don\'t like those benefits either, I\'m pretty much against anything that promotes homosexuality for the above stated reason).

Draklar: I don\'t see what you are getting at.  I\'m not judging them at all.  Like I said, I have nothing against the people who choose to be homosexual.  I do, however, have something against their chosen lifestyle (for the reason that God condemns it), and I want them to turn from their ways.  It is not I that am judging them, it is God.  As for the forgiving passage, again, I have no idea what you are getting at.  I already said I have nothing against them.  There is nothing for me to forgive them (as a general group) for.  I think you need to learn how to interpret the Bible before you start quoting it.  Those are 2 excellent scripture passages, but they have nothing (directly) to do with the topic at hand.

:emerald:

[Ionas]

ArcaneFalcon, i respect your honesty and that you give your opinion even as it is mostly many against a few here.
Even though i strongly disagree and my first emotional reaction to this would be to categorize such an opinion as ignorant.

Unfortunately this is all a matter of belief. You believe in a God who\'m condems homosexuality (ive read the parts you gave btw). Me and others don\'t believe in a God at all or at least not in such a God.
The only way to convince each other would be for me to make you believe in a different God or none at all. For you vice versa. Which is almost impossible to do and would end up in a theological debate.
So ill personally leave it at that and respect your opinion even though i think its wrong and harmfull.

To people that have a negative view on christianity because of things like this i\'d like to state that there are many different interpretations in christianity. Not all christians believe being gay, abortion, euthanasia etc is wrong.