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« Reply #30 on: January 05, 2005, 02:17:13 pm »
Even a black hole doesn\'t have infinate weight or power. Henceforth = discussion over. Stop posting :P

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« Reply #31 on: January 05, 2005, 04:03:09 pm »
It works perfectly with maths. The unstoppable force has a force of infinity. This hits the unmovable object (assuming it\'s unbreakable as well) the object will push back against the unstoppable force with a force on infinity. The unstoppable force then has a velocity of 0. This collision of forces will continue for eternity. :P

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« Reply #32 on: January 05, 2005, 04:18:02 pm »
\"What happens when an unstoppable force hits an unmovable force?\"

the unstoppable force is full reflected.
and is now unstoppable but the direction.

Thats so easy, like playing POOL

Is\'nt it ?

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« Reply #33 on: January 05, 2005, 04:21:25 pm »
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\"What happens when an unstoppable force hits an unmovable force?\"

the unstoppable force is full reflected.
and is now unstoppable but the direction.

Thats so easy, like playing POOL

Is\'nt it ?

No because the unstoppable object even when hitting a sphere would have to slowdown somewhat when hitting the object. If it hit a flat face, it would be even worse, as it would be at 0 for a moment before it bounced in the other direction. Why am I even posting still? This whole topic is so dumb :P

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« Reply #34 on: January 05, 2005, 05:36:55 pm »
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\"What happens when an unstoppable force hits an unmovable force?\"

This is too easy, If there *is* an unstopable force then theres no such thing as an unmovable force.

That\'s a good point- if you define one thing as being unstopable by anything, the best you could describe anything else as unmoveable by anything but the unstopable force.

Another idea is you could have exatcly one, truely unmoveable object, if somehow no matter how it was forced, the rest of the universe moved instead. It would be prefectly still, but everyhting would move around it. Think about that one  :D

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« Reply #35 on: January 05, 2005, 05:57:14 pm »
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This conversation is hereby void of any logic whatsoever.

That\'s not correct. According to logic, this is a case of vacuous truth. So the answer to the question \"What happens when an unstoppable force hits an unmovable force?\" is \'Anything\'.

EDIT: Fixed a translation error
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« Reply #36 on: January 05, 2005, 06:17:20 pm »
Well It depends.

If the unstoppable force is:
   a.)in gasform it will just flow around the unmoveable force
   b.)Liquid would be similar
   c.)If it is hard it either bounces off (from a sphere) or like Emaib said the impulse will go over to the unmoveable force and they will change roles.
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« Reply #37 on: January 05, 2005, 08:02:49 pm »
This thread is so full of bad science and bad math that it makes me want to cry.  Only not really.

A few people have pointed out the obvious, like that it is vacuous.  It has absolutely nothing to do with the laws of physics, only the meanings of unstoppable and unmoveable (and maybe the definition of force)

First, the question: What happens when an unstoppable force hits an unmovable force?

Well, in the physical world, moveableness is not a property of forces.  Also, forces don\'t hit each other.  What was meant was: \"What happens when an irresistableforce is exerted on an unmovable object\".

This is logically equivalent to \"What if True were False\" in which case you would be able to prove anything, but for no value.  So far we believe that this is not the case.

You cannot take infinity and subtract infinity and get 0, as infinity is not a quantity that can be manipulated in that fashion.  Infinity can be used to measure the size of a set - for instance, if I take the size of the set of positive integers (an infinite number of them) and subtract out all the odd ones (still an infinite number of them).. what do I get?  Still an infinite set!  Whoo!

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Now can anyone tell what happens when two singularitys collide?


From the outside, they would act like one singularity.  Depending on your frame of reference they might just get asymptotically closer and never touch, not really sure about that.

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Why must we be constrained to a single strain of thought according to your \"laws\"? .


You don\'t have to, it\'s just practical, has observable results, and explains many phenomena in a consistant and predictable way.  For instance, if I have a dollar, and someone else gives me a dollar, then it is reasonable to predict that I have two dollars.  If you phrase something in the language of physics and logic, convention is that you are asking people to apply the theories of physics and the theorems of logic.  A \"law\" is just a theory that seems pretty well verified by observation.

You could apply your own set of beliefs to the question.  What happens when an unmovable force is exerted on an unstoppable velocity?  Cheese!
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« Reply #38 on: January 06, 2005, 07:29:01 pm »
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« Reply #39 on: January 07, 2005, 06:20:23 am »
Its just something called a paradox. Don\'t look at me, I have no idea what would happen.. Math class soaked up or fried every brain cell remaining in my head. :D

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« Reply #40 on: January 07, 2005, 06:46:40 am »
sorry i alreadey ended this post, and it was true :P

*thinks* first clever thing ive ever said here
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« Reply #41 on: January 07, 2005, 07:06:18 am »
So far I\'m figureing that dfryer is the only other one here who knows what happens when two opposing forces of equal power interact.

The answer is so simple that I find it appaling that you people haven\'t figured it out yet. They cansel each other out.

The best example of this is a hot object and a cold object; bring them together and they will cease to be hot or cold in relation to each other.

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« Reply #42 on: January 07, 2005, 01:21:02 pm »
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What happens when an unstoppable force hits an unmovable force?


Easy ...

BOOOOOM!!! :P

To the scientifically minded people here .. I was writing basically the same thing as dfryer but deleted it now just to say this. He is right about forces not having any property of movement.
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« Reply #43 on: January 07, 2005, 01:23:19 pm »
\"For every action there is an equal and opposite RE-action\" they would both see to exist in the said states they held... but an obgect cannot be unmoveable or unstopable my EVERYTHING.. just becuse you cannot move or stop it doesn\'t mean anything cannnot

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Because when you step off them you become insane. Simple as that. You know the people that step off the pedistle of science do? They tell you that a copper pipe filled with salt and rocks, stirred for 34 minutes and put in a microwave will power the earth for 45 million years. Thats what happens. Seriously, when you stray to far from the laws, you rmind starts messin\' with you.


well a saline filled water tube on a leyline would collect a descent amount of electro-magnetic force.. stirring and microwaving wouldn\'t do jack though... a balancing magneticly charged wheel can output 300% plus energy no matter where it is so.. we don\'t need a saline orgone generator :D

And i stepped off the \"pedistle\" of \"science\" long ago... insinuating something there kixie :P?
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« Reply #44 on: January 07, 2005, 10:46:15 pm »
ok, we can not know because we do not know....


the shape, size, speed, durability, and you may mean if someone who is really strong meets someone who is really fat, you left alot of important things out
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