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Foresteer

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« Reply #30 on: January 06, 2005, 10:31:09 am »
depends are we talking about dimentions as in hight width or legnth? (i doubt there are many of these dimmentions maybe 5 at the most but then again i am not going to say for sure as at any point somebody says something for sure they are open to be found wrong) or spacial dimmentions? there are many spacial dimmentions... as this is a multiverse
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« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2005, 10:52:50 am »
Woah...
But I thought...
Wasn\'t the multiverse a combination of all the universes? You know, a way to explain the existence of our universe, just like God is another explanation?

Or did I see your post incorrectly?

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« Reply #32 on: January 06, 2005, 11:06:09 am »
the multi verse is existence... we live in a universe technicaly.. but just like earth is a planet in the universe so our universe is a universe in the whole multiverse.. just like atoms or light move at different frequencies (red has its own frequency range just as blue does...) so does each universe in the multiverse certian vibrational ranges for each universe... and then there are quantum possiblities for each universe and for the multiverse as a whole.. not an explanation for exisitence but just a decsription of what existence is :/
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« Reply #33 on: January 06, 2005, 12:15:51 pm »
Okay, thanks for the explanation ;-)

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« Reply #34 on: January 06, 2005, 12:32:39 pm »
ahh no problem.. sometimes the whole mess confuses me too O.O
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« Reply #35 on: January 06, 2005, 12:51:36 pm »
Science is evolutive, of course, human doesn\'t have all the tools to explain everything right now. That\'s the cool thing in evoluting: the next day, we\'ll know a bit more than the previous one until one question is solved.

Now, don\'t say \"eh witches or other occult things exist, they\'ll rule the world!\"
Can\'t you see it\'s a typical human creation to make people dream or fear... (that\'s used in lot of things).

Actually, the \"magic\" that have been tested in a lab has always been proven wrong (we would know since there\'s a large reward for true \"magic\")

Now some people have some special talent that science couldn\'t explain now, like some healer. But even in that case, it\'s more and more understable.


I think too the science can not see everything too. We can\'t explain everything since after all, we perhaps simply lack the sense to understand or measure something...

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« Reply #36 on: January 06, 2005, 01:10:55 pm »
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Oh, now that\'s funny :-P

1. Science has not been PROVEN wrong. Some people THINK science is wrong in these cases.

Telekinesis, magick (since you write it that way, I\'m assuming you believe in wicca... Read this: http://www.whywiccanssuck.com/) will eventually be explained by science.


I\'m assuming you know nothing about the occult.  You don\'t need to have a religion to perform magick.  Hell, I used to be Christian... kinda lost my faith, but, meh.  I am NOT a wiccan.  Witches are not all Wiccans, Wiccans are not all Witches.  Wicca has been around for a looooooooong time, not just 1950, like that page says.

Right now, I don\'t wear a pentagram around my neck.  I will soon, however, and that guy\'s whole argument about the pentagram is stupid.  There are MANY meanings to the pentagram.  The one I believe in is God ruling over earth and hell.  Grimiors, Familiars... that guy should not joke about those things.

They are both real and incredibly powerful.  Familiars are usually provided by a spirit, however, and so a random animal isn\'t a Familiar.

I could go on and on about that page, but I don\'t feel like it.  Good argument against magick?  I think NOT.  I can rebuke every single thing that guy says.

EDIT:  Alright, ya know what?  I SERIOUSLY hate that page, and I\'m not even Wiccan!  That page goes against everything I stand for, and sounds like some angry Christian ranting.

1. Wicca is not that old.
2. How strange that you hate that page. There are many correct things on there. I showed that page to a friend of mine, who\'s wiccan, and he said to me: \"I have a lot to think about now.\"

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« Reply #37 on: January 06, 2005, 01:20:51 pm »
\"Magick\" and \"wicca\" are just very crappy ineffecient forms of psionics.. so much energy is wasted in ritual and such instead of pure energy generation most of it goes flying hap-hazardly in any witch *which lol* way not getting anything done... but anybody who purely believes ALL of wicca does have a LOT of things to think about (like why the heck did i even start doing this O.o?)
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« Reply #38 on: January 06, 2005, 03:26:17 pm »
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Now, don\'t say \"eh witches or other occult things exist, they\'ll rule the world!\"
Can\'t you see it\'s a typical human creation to make people dream or fear... (that\'s used in lot of things).

Actually, the \"magic\" that have been tested in a lab has always been proven wrong (we would know since there\'s a large reward for true \"magic\")


DO NOT get me started about that guy.  On a forum I frequent, we hit somewhere around 400 posts arguing about that guy... it wasn\'t pretty.

The one thing we all agreed on was this: even if magick was somehow proven, the dude would say it was just a coincidence.

A COINCIDENCE.

Plus, he isn\'t even gonna pay.  You have to pay to get down there and FULLY SUPPORT YOURSELF for AT LEAST a year or so for all the testing he wants done.

Don\'t talk about that guy anymore, please...

And, magick is real.  If you\'re Christian, you have to believe in magick.  If you believe in the Bible, you\'ll also have to believe in necromancy.
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« Reply #39 on: January 06, 2005, 03:58:53 pm »
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(i doubt there are many of these dimmentions maybe 5 at the most but then again i am not going to say for sure as at any point somebody says something for sure they are open to be found wrong)
Yep, from mathematical point of view there can be pretty much infinite number of dimensions. As well as fractional dimensions (fractals).
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Actually, the \"magic\" that have been tested in a lab has always been proven wrong (we would know since there\'s a large reward for true \"magic\")

You mean that biased test with huge reward that pretty much is impossible to pass?
Bleh, I used to have dreams showing exactly what I\'d see in future. That\'s all proof I need for any \"paranormal\" activities :P
Scientists are often narrow minded. They sometimes come up with stuff that can be easily overthrown by simple non-scientific approach to things.

And what about science itself? Many people believe that science is the only way to go. Why? Because science tells them so.
Well they certainly won\'t become open minded by doing that...
Also children seem to experience more paranormal things than grown ups. Before they become sceptical and fill their minds with \"science\". Coincidence? I don\'t think so ;)

So I don\'t think science is the best (or only) way to look at time travel and so on...

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« Reply #40 on: January 06, 2005, 04:17:26 pm »
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And, magick is real.  If you\'re Christian, you have to believe in magick.  If you believe in the Bible, you\'ll also have to believe in necromancy.

So, let\'s see... How many people in Belgium (well, I can\'t really speak for other countries, can I?) interpret the Bible literally?
Virtually none.
A priest told me last year the Bible shouldn\'t be interpreted literally. If even priests go that way...

Also, it seems like you really want to prove magick is real, but don\'t give any proof.

\"Magick is real.\"
Oh, now I believe you!

\"Magick is real.  If you\'re Christian, you have to believe in magick.\"
Oh, now that\'s a convincing argument! Sorry about that, I should\'ve believed you in the first place!

I\'m not stating that magick doesn\'t exist, but you say it does, without giving ANY reasons.

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« Reply #41 on: January 07, 2005, 12:19:53 am »
well \"magick\" really doesn\'t exist.. there are no \"mother goddesses\" or \"father earths\" that need rituals done.. they base force they rely on while a very diluted for does basicaly work as the person belives it will.. same way prayer works.. it isn\'t GOD doing the prayer.. its the person who believed \"god\" would do it\'s belief that  creates the energy to get the prayer done... if they don\'t believe then it won\'t happen.. that don\'t need to believe a god will do it.. they just need to believe it will happen
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« Reply #42 on: January 07, 2005, 06:30:51 am »
Emm, no true thoughts on this.. Ill just shrug and follow the rules in D20 future on dimensions and time traveling.. :D

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« Reply #43 on: January 07, 2005, 06:45:39 am »
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Uhh when you get sucked into a black hole you are squelched into a ball about 2mm big. And you would probably have to travel 50 times the speed of light to have a sling shot effect take place but this is going off topic.
Heh I knew someone would bring up the 4th dimension. The 4th dimension is just an imaginary dimension based on illusions, but then again there are hundreds of versions of the 4th dimension so I may not be refering to the same version Draklar is talking about.


Actuall Einstein said time is the 4th dimension. And therefore you can move around it if you learn how. Just like a child learns to walk, they are learning to move in this dimension.
Now, if that means you can just do some weird thing and begin moving around time or that  you can go around time with a machine....
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« Reply #44 on: January 07, 2005, 07:40:30 am »
ok little \"dimension\" words and such are just excuses for real explanations.

time isnt a physical thing you know. its just what goes on our clocks.

well im a LITTLE sceptical here.
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