[ORGANIZATION]The Dark Empire: Promotional Thread

[Draklar]

Originally posted by Annah
And Dark Empire is not normal, like me.

Originally posted by Annah
Through this, maybe you shall see another point Draklar, that I\'m normal?

... :P

Oh, I know that you\'re normal. It\'s just amusing to see you realise that after all this narcisstic behaviour :P

Yet notably respectful new ways, I shall add.

[Sangwa]

What\'s your point? I also agree that peasants can be part of a working class. However, it still makes them a social group and not a working class. And you can\'t compare both on the level you were comparing.

So, let me be completly clear: it makes little sense to compare Ghosts to Peasants the way you did seeing that each one refers to a different concept. I\'m guessing you have it understood by now.

[Draklar]

And Ghosts aren\'t a social group? It seems like they share social relation to me (like social roles)...

So peasants belong to working class, but they aren\'t working class? That seems like a contradiction to me...

To use definitions a little:

Working Class:
[n]  a social class comprising those who do manual labor or work for wages;
Labor:
[n]  productive work (especially physical work done for wages);
Peasant:
[n]  one of a (chiefly European) class of agricultural laborers

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Draklar
And Ghosts aren\'t a social group? It seems like they share social relation to me (like social roles)...

So peasants belong to working class, but they aren\'t working class? That seems like a contradiction to me...

To use definitions a little:

Working Class:
[n]  a social class comprising those who do manual labor or work for wages;
Labor:
[n]  productive work (especially physical work done for wages);
Peasant:
[n]  one of a (chiefly European) class of agricultural laborers

This is bad terminology me thinks.


In a feudal society, you have a society of peasants ruled by aristocracy.  Soldiers are an extension of the aristocracy.

A merchant class can exist in a feudal society.  They own property, ships, or some other source of wealth through trade or manufacturing.  They are economically independant, unlike the peasants, but they are not in a position to rule, unlike the aristocarcy.

[Draklar]

Originally posted by zanzibar
In a feudal society, you have a society of peasants ruled by aristocracy.  Soldiers are an extension of the aristocracy.

Ghosts aren\'t soldiers, nor soldiers are laborers. What did you try to prove?

[Sangwa]

Family A belongs to a working class. Is the working class family A?

Let me attempt to prove my point even further:

\"Blacksmiths are the foundation of the Metal Forging association.\"
\"Peasants are the foundation of the government\'s agriculture. So?\"
I\'m just saying this doesn\'t make much sense.
Anyway, it\'s normal you have a crippled opinion about the Empire\'s Ghosts, so let\'s not spend too much time on this.

EDIT: Let\'s not drag this too much ^^.

[Draklar]

My point was that Ghosts being foundation of Dark Empire\'s shadow force doesn\'t say anything about their greatness.
In normal state of things peasants would be foundation of the whole Dark Empire. Just look at games like Settlers, where everything starts from the peasant jobs.

[Sangwa]

Of course it says. If some kingdom would have peasants (as in social group of poor people with little rights) as its foundation, than it can\'t be that much of a successful kingdom. However, the peasants\' \"greatness\" is still there, seeing that they are required.

I\'m just saying Ghosts are nothing like peasants and that being the foundation of something is actually something that we should attribute \"greatness\" to.

[Draklar]

By greatness I mean having strong influence on something. If you kill one Ghost, not much happens. If someone kills Shadowmaster, things will be much worse.

And I thought I already pointed out what I understand by peasant:
[n]  one of a (chiefly European) class of agricultural laborers
Of course it should be obvious in what context I use that word from the first time I used it.

Agricultural laborers are foundation of any kingdom. Without them you won\'t get enough food to support any other activities. Won\'t get many of the needed materials either.

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Draklar

Originally posted by zanzibar
This is bad terminology me thinks.


In a feudal society, you have a society of peasants ruled by aristocracy. Soldiers are an extension of the aristocracy.

A merchant class can exist in a feudal society. They own property, ships, or some other source of wealth through trade or manufacturing. They are economically independant, unlike the peasants, but they are not in a position to rule, unlike the aristocarcy.

Ghosts aren\'t soldiers, nor soldiers are laborers. What did you try to prove?

I\'m not proving so much as I\'m correcting.  Peasant is a term which is strongly and uniquely connected to a feudal economy or society.


The definition you\'ve given is \"one of a (chiefly European) class of agricultural laborers \", but this definition is incomplete and misleading.  A European farmer is not necessarily a peasant.  If that farmer lives within a feudal society, then the term peasant may be appropriate.  For instance, russia was feudal until the late 1800\'s, and as such the term peasant was used to describe the Russian lower class when it was not used to describe the English lower class since they had entered a capitalist society due to the influence of industrialization and social forces in the vein of Calvanism and so on.



Is \"ghost\" a rank within the Dark Empire?  There used to be a guild called The Ghosts which was in alliance with Minions.  Until now, I was assuming you were talking about some extinct or secret guild.

[Sangwa]

By greatness I mean having strong influence on something. If you kill one Ghost, not much happens. If someone kills Shadowmaster, things will be much worse.

And I thought I already pointed out what I understand by peasant:
[n] one of a (chiefly European) class of agricultural laborers
Of course it should be obvious in what context I use that word from the first time I used it.

Oh. I didn\'t understand it that way. I thought you were comparing Ghosts to the lowly definition of Peasants. If you\'re comparing them to agricultural laborers, then I guess I don\'t need to feel insulted.

Might I invite you for a mug of ale?

UPDATE: I can\'t get my client to work. I keep failing to update it properly -_-. So Thormor\'s handling the ingame organization of our guild.
I hope I\'ll be back soon.

[zanzibar]

So to clarify.... you should only be a member of the Dark Empire if your ultimate goal is to give the Empress ultimate power?

[Cyl]

 
So to clarify.... you should only be a member of the Dark Empire if your ultimate goal is to give the Empress ultimate power?

I cant talk for the Dark Empire, as I am not part of it, ... but wasnt that clear from the first second?

We dwell in pride and glory, fight under command of our empress.

The noble Empress that shall rule the world
With her stunning beauty and mighty word;

... I thought they made it clear enough.

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Cyl
... I thought they made it clear enough.

You\'d be surprised.

[Sangwa]

We trust that our Magesty\'s will is the only beacon that is lit with a bright future.
We believe that by following her, together with everyone else who stands under this same banner, we can ultimately satisfy our own ambitions.