RP and Non-RP words

[Hatchnet]

Originally posted by Draklar
Probably because when we hear \"magic\" we usually think of fantasy, not about gallaxy far far away...

No when I hear \"magic\" I generaly think about David Copperfield; which is the same thing as comparing the term \"light saber\" to Luke Skywalkers energy sword.

The point I am trying to get across here is that the meaning of a term in rl or another setteng does not nessesarily have any bearing on its meaning in this setting. So stop trying to act like it does and learn to sepperate what you know from what your character knows.

[Draklar]

Originally posted by Draklar
The most effective roleplayer is someone who always behaves as his char would.

Originally posted by Exaero_Fiero
Matter of *cough* opinion *cough*...

Originally posted by Exaero_Fiero
One only acts as if one has a different personality.

 You can think of it, as you still haven\'t changed my original position.

Sounds like I did. This by the way indicates that you remain in touch with reality. While That implicates that you are affected by real life (feel hunger, hear various sounds, keep awareness). That obviously makes it harder to roleplay and what you are asking for is stimulating the problems. Enough that PS is a computer game (it\'s much harder to roleplay than in p&p, where you use imagination for everything anyway) a good move would be to get rid of any popular culture references and alike. Seeing \"lol\", \":)\", \"sup?\", \"lightsaber\" all can help in removing bind between you and your character. If it doesn\'t affect you, good for you. But I\'m sure not everyone have skills like that. I prefer to roleplay on forums and in p&p games, where it is all about your imagination. In mmorpg I can roleplay, I can think as my char would, I understand what he would feel. But it doesn\'t take me to any other world. I don\'t use my imagination to its full possibilities as I can see everything with my eyes.

Edit: to the above post: \"usually\" is the key word. Note that not everyone thinks of David when someone says \"magic\". Probably many people who have no touch with fantasy, but that doesn\'t matter.

[Hatchnet]

Originally posted by Draklar
Edit: to the above post: \"usually\" is the key word. Note that not everyone thinks of David when someone says \"magic\". Probably many people who have no touch with fantasy, but that doesn\'t matter.

Looks to me like you just shot down your own post Draklar.

[Draklar]

Lightsaber:

Widely known Star Wars jedi weapon. In fantasy that word is completely unknown. Result of using it in PS will be bigger part of people connecting it with SW, lesser taking it as it should be.

Magic:

Widely known phenomenon with orygins in various mythologies and such. Same mythologies that gave birth to fantasy. David\'s magic is commonly called illusion (and unlike \"magic\", this word is more likely to be connected with him), while all he does are tricks. Result of using word \"magic\" in PS will be a bigger part of people taking it as it should be, lesser part connecting it with David\'s tricks.

It is a matter of common sense.

Edit: It can be compared to having \"Darth Vader\" as a name. Would you allow that as well?

[Hatchnet]

Originally posted by Draklar
Lightsaber:

Widely known Star Wars jedi weapon. In fantasy that word is completely unknown. Result of using it in PS will be bigger part of people connecting it with SW, lesser taking it as it should be.

Magic:

Widely known phenomenon with orygins in various mythologies and such. Same mythologies that gave birth to fantasy. David\'s magic is commonly called illusion (and unlike \"magic\", this word is more likely to be connected with him), while all he does are tricks. Result of using word \"magic\" in PS will be a bigger part of people taking it as it should be, lesser part connecting it with David\'s tricks.

It is a matter of common sense.

Edit: It can be compared to having \"Darth Vader\" as a name. Would you allow that as well?

No I wouldn\'t but not for the reason your thinking. While I do agree that names of famous people and characters should not be used; we also have a rule about not including titles in our names and \"Darth\" is sith for \"Lord\".

Also your trying to justify yourself with an unfounded generalization based upon yourself. There are a great many people who either have not seen or do not like starwars and thus do not make the conectionbecause of that. There are also a great many people who understand that there is a difference between a starwars light saber, a real life light saber, and a magic light saber. Just like most people know the differance between ilusionary magic, fantasy magic, and magick.

[Darakus]

Where magic linked to fantasy is concerned I could argue that to me magic is mostly linked to sleight of hands and other such tricks as well as the well known card game magic the gathering TM and thus following the real life logic of some I should be unable to make different association than those when in game.

Oh and a storm trooper is a trooper that was formed for fast attacks or in other words to storm his target and yet again I do not connect those words with Lucas world most of the time (the exception being when I am watching Star Wars) but with the german military of second world war who had those kind of troops.

What I do connect with the world of Lucas are words like Jedi, Obi Wan, ... that have no common usage in other domains, for the rest hearing lightsabre doesn\'t make me think of Sci-fi at all times, it depends on what I am doing at that moment,  hearing laser sabre does but then again it might be valid only for me.

[Jakob]

Originally posted by Exaero_Fiero
Ok... My logic had been the following chain: Draklar says, that when he hears word lightsaber, he thinks of Star Wars ==>  Draklar always makes connections to real life, wherever he is ==> Draklar lives with reality ==> Draklar can\'t live in dreams. And thus, doesn\'t dream.

I\'ve often felt that dreams are simply the answers to questions we haven\'t yet learned to ask. -Special Agent Fox Mulder
There, I\'ve just made a connection to rl, and I\'m sure alot of you would have caught it without me naming the character who said the quote, and if anyone recognized that in Yliakum, then things might not go too well.
Also, according to that quote Exaero has said that Draklar is probably the most intelligent on the world, as if he doesn\'t dream he knows how to ask all questions.  Does this sound like something you want in Yliakum?

[Exaero_Fiero]

The problem is, if you are acting as if you had a mind of your character, who lives in medieval, you wouldn\'t know a word \"lightsabre\", as only your \"real\" self knows the \"lightsaber\" as it is in SW. If your RP character makes connections to real world, then you do not fully live your character.

 I have to admit, that myself I never went as far, as losing touch with reality during RP, because almost all the time there are factors in real life which keep me from doing so. Therefore, all the thoughts I present here conclude to a theory, that on higher levels of RP there are no NON-RP words, except for those, which make no sense as words (for example: no vowels).
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This deserves to be flamed, but let me try to break it down

I\'ve often felt that dreams are simply the answers to questions we haven\'t yet learned to ask. -Special Agent Fox Mulder

You really believe everything they say in X-files enough, to use it as a reference? Maybe you should go fight with aliens...

There, I\'ve just made a connection to rl, and I\'m sure alot of you would have caught it without me naming the character who said the quote,

 Umm... I wouldn\'t have recognized it...

 

and if anyone recognized that in Yliakum, then things might not go too well.

 Indeed...

Also, according to that quote Exaero has said that Draklar is probably the most intelligent on the world, as if he doesn\'t dream he knows how to ask all questions. Does this sound like something you want in Yliakum

 I didn\'t say that. Unless you make a connection to X-files, which I prefer not to do, because this way, I can call you the opposite of what I \"called\" Draklar to be, as far as you seem to dream too much.

[Jakob]

AHH Fire!  Can some one give me a bucket of water?
haha, even in your lack of understanding you show understanding.  And in answer to your question, no I don\'t believe everything in the X-Files enough to use it as a referance, but that particular quote is simply a way of stating what I\'ve always felt.  Also, you say you wouldn\'t have recongnized that.  Does that mean you consider yourself a lot of people, because my words were a lot of people probably recognized it.  I may do well academically, but yes I do dream.  Asking questions of the world isn\'t something I am very good at, even if I do well at school.

PS- I do believe in aliens ;-)

[Hatchnet]

Originally posted by Jakob
AHH Fire!  Can some one give me a bucket of water?
haha, even in your lack of understanding you show understanding.  And in answer to your question, no I don\'t believe everything in the X-Files enough to use it as a referance, but that particular quote is simply a way of stating what I\'ve always felt.  Also, you say you wouldn\'t have recongnized that.  Does that mean you consider yourself a lot of people, because my words were a lot of people probably recognized it.  I may do well academically, but yes I do dream.  Asking questions of the world isn\'t something I am very good at, even if I do well at school.

PS- I do believe in aliens ;-)

*Grabs a can of Zippo lighter fluid to add fuel to the fire*

I didn\'t recognise the quote and I\'m an X-files fan. Still your logic is flawed that statment could have come from
 any of a large number of historical figures like Gandi, Confusias, Aristotol, Plato, Socrates, Docrates, and this is only nameing a few.

[Jakob]

That\'s exactly my point, even if my logic is flawed.  It could have come from any number of RL or semi-RL personalities that could easily take some people out of an RP, or just as easily slide right past someone.
For the record, I\'m enjoying this too much to quit...
/me casts freeze on himself

[Exaero_Fiero]

Originally posted by Jakob
That\'s exactly my point, even if my logic is flawed.  It could have come from any number of RL or semi-RL personalities that could easily take some people out of an RP, or just as easily slide right past someone.

Umm... huh?

[Jakob]

he saw a lot of different places that that quote could have come from, and if he had thought of those in the middle of an RP, if he is like some people it could throw him for a second with a RL connection.  Other people, apparently like you, would remain unaffected by a RL connection.

[Andrek]

Originally posted by Lutz
I like that! Uc Kri Ried Forn. More gobble

Where can I find more about the Bobble language?  I tried the book in the library in the last update and could not read it, now this one does not have the book there.

Can you help please?

[Drey]

/me \'rhale\'s andrek... its all in the book