I have 3d studio max 4, can I heLp?

[Link]

People like you are evil, I can understand 3d Max, but pirating everything out there is ruining it for everyone, maybe your too stupid to understand, but when you dont pay for something that means the maker is out, however much it costs, when a maker doesnt get very much money, THEN THEY MOVE ON, meaning you dont get any more software, you are stealing, if you walk into a store and steal a bunch of junk and you continue to do this and get away with it and then EVERYONE does it, you think that store is gonna stay in business? Would you like it if someone walked in your door right now and stole the computer your using to read this? I think not, Maybe the developers here dont care about your piracy since they are working for free but if this was a Developer group with Paid Developers you would be getting Flamed out the ass right now, maybe you will understand more when the computer industry colapses because developers cant afford to feed their families.

[elKano]

I somehow agree to you, Link. It\'s a lack of respect not to pay someone for his work... as long as you can pay for it.

I think we should always pay when we have the money AND wereally want to have that thing we buy.
I mean, there are things you would never have if you need to pay for it. Those are not worth the money, we can have them free. There are things we need, but they are so expensive we can not pay for them. We can have them for free, until we have enough money, then we pay. And then, there are those we like or need, and we can pay for them: we buy them.
The price we pay for the things we buy should not be seen as an obligation, but a way to thank all those who worked for us to have it.

That can not be a written law, and would be stupid if it was; only each one can follow it or not. I know really few people behave like that anyway.

Hell, I have just realized that my post isn\'t linked at all with planeshift, so it is a spam! AAARRGGHH I am a spammer! just joking :->

[Mephisto]

I pay for anything I can pay for.
If there is something I pirate it\'s things that\'s
A: too expensive
B: does not excist in this country

Although if I have the money, I buy it,
When thinking of all those people making programs out there, they really deserve making some money for their work,
If everybody pirated there would be no more programs as nobody would want to create them cause they wouldnt make any money of it anyway.
I say buy what you can, let the hard working people get their buck.

[Cyonamie]

stuff like old atari games, nes, snes things r exceptable, but expensive is just a lame excuse for being a cheap ass.  If it took them so long to create something, and the price tag of 3000 dollars does it justice, then u should buy it. seriously, u have seen wat great products have come out of 3dsmax, lightwave, maya, etc.

[Mephisto]

Well not everybody can affoard something at 3000$
Say you are trying to become a modeller but with your current job you make almost no money at all (enough to buy food and pay your bills)
Maybe you get a 5-10$ ekstra each month, it would still take you a couple of years to save up to something like that, (about 25 years to be excact)

Most people cant affoard walking around hoping that 3000$ is gonna fall into their hands.
And not all places do they have \"studios\" or schools with these kind of programs, and if you are going for a serious job in modelling a program like 3dstudio max is what you need.
you can\'t avoid facing the fact that 3000$ is alot of money, offcourse the program might be very good and stuff but 3000$ could be a couple of months pay, which is, indeed, too much for the common person.

[Link]

Originally posted by Mephisto
Well not everybody can affoard something at 3000$
Say you are trying to become a modeller but with your current job you make almost no money at all (enough to buy food and pay your bills)
Maybe you get a 5-10$ ekstra each month, it would still take you a couple of years to save up to something like that, (about 25 years to be excact)

Most people cant affoard walking around hoping that 3000$ is gonna fall into their hands.
And not all places do they have \"studios\" or schools with these kind of programs, and if you are going for a serious job in modelling a program like 3dstudio max is what you need.
you can\'t avoid facing the fact that 3000$ is alot of money, offcourse the program might be very good and stuff but 3000$ could be a couple of months pay, which is, indeed, too much for the common person.

If a job accepts you for your skills in modelling im pretty sure you are going to get paid enough money to afford it. Their are free modelling or cheap ones that you can afford untill you are able to get a more expensive professional software. The better something is the more it cost. Just because you can afford a Pinto are you going to go steal a Porshe because you need it to get to work faster?

[Princess Aelya]

Originally posted by Link
People like you are evil, I can understand 3d Max, but pirating everything out there is ruining it for everyone, maybe your too stupid to understand, but when you dont pay for something that means the maker is out, however much it costs, when a maker doesnt get very much money, THEN THEY MOVE ON, meaning you dont get any more software, you are stealing, if you walk into a store and steal a bunch of junk and you continue to do this and get away with it and then EVERYONE does it, you think that store is gonna stay in business? Would you like it if someone walked in your door right now and stole the computer your using to read this? I think not, Maybe the developers here dont care about your piracy since they are working for free but if this was a Developer group with Paid Developers you would be getting Flamed out the ass right now, maybe you will understand more when the computer industry colapses because developers cant afford to feed their families.

who gives a damn whether the makers make money or not. if its useful to you and you have the oppurtunity to snatch it for free,then i wouldnt hesitate to take it.I have also downloaded pirated software off kazaa.i dont care if im cheating anyone or if its stolen or pirated,if it benefits me ill take it.yea sure id be pissed if someone walked in my house and stole something,but if it doesnt happen to ME i could care less. if it happens to me ill care,if not then i dont care.

[Link]

Anything for you Aelya.

[elKano]

Hey, Aelya, where do you live? I\'m going to empty your house... this way you\'ll talk different I hope. No, joking. Too expensive plane for so little.

Most companies ask for experience with the soft you\'ll use. And Kinetix does not suffer so much of the extreme piracy of 3DS Max: many and many youngs have discovered modelling because of that, some of them still do it more or less profesionally and then... they pay for that magnific software they have been using for years.

There is also the case that you are forgetting where the use you\'ll be getting of the software does not deserve the price. I have had 3dS 4 for years in my computer, and I modelled with it many things; do you think I would have done that if it would have costed 3000? to me? no way. It was just a hobby.You\'ll say I could have had a free soft. Why, didn\'t I had a free soft? I didn\'t pay for it. I just didn\'t have the licence, but I didn\'t need it.
I think this is the most common situation.

[AendarCallenlasse]

Oh god forbid I steal a few bucks from some greedy rich guys over-stuffed pockets  :O .  I know I\'m stealing from him, I\'m happy doing it.  I don\'t feel like filling some guys bank accountant when I can grab it for free.

[Mephisto]

Originally posted by Link
If a job accepts you for your skills in modelling im pretty sure you are going to get paid enough money to afford it. Their are free modelling or cheap ones that you can afford untill you are able to get a more expensive professional software. The better something is the more it cost. Just because you can afford a Pinto are you going to go steal a Porshe because you need it to get to work faster?

You can\'t compare it, it doesn\'t take a long time to get used to cars.
But lets say you\'ve been modelling with a low budget program for a long long time, then if you were suddenly gonna use a new program (like 3dsmax) it would be a whole new program to start using, wich would mean you need to learn everything over again (oh well maybe not everything but it would still take a long long time)

If you are gonna be a professional modeller you can\'t stick to some \"cheap-but\"  (avoiding the use of the A- word here) program, you need a good one, if you are just modelling for fun or something like that you can use a program like milkshape or whatever.
But if you are serious in modelling, basic milkshape skills wouldn\'t do.
That means you will have to learn another program, which would indeed take some time, and I doubt anybody would pay you not to do anything but learning something new.
Although if they do, good for you!

If I were serious about modelling I would most likely download 3d studio max, and then if I got a career in it, I would buy it, but only if I got a career in it, if I didn\'t become any successfull at all, I would not.

[Princess Aelya]

Originally posted by elKano
Hey, Aelya, where do you live? I\'m going to empty your house... this way you\'ll talk different I hope. No, joking. Too expensive plane for so little.

as i said if it happens to me i will care. if it doesnt then i couldnt care less. and that kind of thing has happened to me. people have stolen things from me. they will do as they wish i suppose. and i doubt anything that happens will change how i think about this subject.call me selfish,and again,see if i care about that either.

Aendar: my point exactly

[Mephisto]

Hey what if he broke into your house and duped everything you had in there, would you care then?

[Princess Aelya]

duped? whatever that means its probably not good. but this is the last time ill say this. if it happens to me ill care. if it happens to someone else i dont give a damn.

[Cyonamie]

aelya and aendar, they way u see the world is its not skin off ur back.  3dsmax people make nill a year, and u dont have to adjust at all, gmax and 3dsmax r almost identical, with the exception of a few more shapes on 3dsmax, which can be made by a novice.  the world doesnt revolve around u, u cant just go and grab wat u want, without paying a price, it may not be in money, but it sure as hell will catch up to u
you know what kazaa is? spyware
u know why? they will bust u for every single illegal program u have on ur computer eventually, i know this becuz my friend was caught.  if it happened to u and u dont like it, then why would u do it to someone else? kill one man to gain a penny huh