[GUILD] The Dragon Council

[Rioth]

Yeah, of course... You guys just know what we do in our guild chat and on our forums... Surely PLing there too...

Just let me tell you something... The people that are in the arena are often working for other projects and are already nearly stats and skills maxed. Other than that, of course there are some of our members training there, but it\'s not because you see 2 to 3 of us there all the day (which is just impossible anyway) that those are the same ones. Those are different players ! There are only a few of us than can stay on for a long time. As far as I know, training for an hour or so, having fun with other guild members at the same time isn\'t PLing.

And also, why do you think I was at the tavern when we were having parties ? It\'s just because we organised those parties on our forums ! And let me tell you that there has been loads of parties that I\'ve already missed.

But I\'m surely wrong... You guys know much better than me what\'s happening in my guild, you guys just know everything that\'s happening in PS...

@Shal: Kill stealing is kill stealing, no matter how you turn it up, it\'s just the same. And anyway, I heard at a time some people complaining about you using this glitch to kill steal.

[Pestilence]

Well I think this discussion is becoming pointless.

Shal you have been on Esserfins case for months now and you claim he has been doing it eversince. Fine. Bring some proof then. Getting proof if he does it all the time should be easy.

If you can\'t even bring a single shred of evidence to the table then\" I know what I saw so there\" after months and months I don\'t see why someone should take your word over Esserfins and Rioths word that it doesn\'t happen.

And aslong as you don\'t bring any evidence then it will be your word against those you acuse.

Why does how you left Twin Blades effect your credibility? Uhm well becuase you did what you wanted and betrayed your guild and THEN left just before you otherwise would surely be thrown out?

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Rioth
@Shal: Kill stealing is kill stealing, no matter how you turn it up, it\'s just the same. And anyway, I heard at a time some people complaining about you using this glitch to kill steal.

It\'s like talking to a brick wall.  But hey, at least you don\'t believe everything you hear.

Originally posted by Pestilence
Why does how you left Twin Blades effect your credibility? Uhm well becuase you did what you wanted and betrayed your guild and THEN left just before you otherwise would surely be thrown out?

You think I have no credibility because of my past, while I think you have no credibility because of your words.

[Valbrandr]

Ok I will give some credit where credit is due.. I apologize for labeling all of your members as PLers.. Now there are many that do that... but I have had the plessure of talking with a few of your members in the Oja Tavern.. Kaile was the person I talked with most.. Hopefully I will see more of your members around Rioth, and you as well.

[Rioth]

I look forward to that

[ramlambmoo]

The funny thing about this entire arguement is it\'s just one Set of Powerlevellers complaining about the others, and back again.  I mean, thats the thing here- It isnt Roleplayers Complaining about how they dont get a fair chance because people are camping, It\'s powerlevellers using the Same Arguements as the Roleplayers to dismiss Activites which they all do.  The mantra here seems to be If you\'re the best, then anything goes, but as soon as somebody gets better than you, then you cry foul and demand that they give you a \"fair\" chance.  I\'m highly doubtful that anybody in this arguement at the moment has any right to be complaining about \"powerlevelling\" or \"spawn camping\".  Its your thread, so you can all argue as much as you want, It\'s just I thought I\'d notify you all that more and more you\'re looking like a bunch of spoilt whiners.

Aendar - Thy language is unacceptable kind sir.

Depends on your definition of the word- I\'d rate the noun as offensive, but the verb is not nessecarily a deriviate of that word.  Perhaps where you come from the usage is different?  Ah well, I suppose if its ambiguous, I shouldnt have really used it.

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by Valbrandr
Ok I will give some credit where credit is due.. I apologize for labeling all of your members as PLers.. Now there are many that do that... but I have had the plessure of talking with a few of your members in the Oja Tavern.. Kaile was the person I talked with most.. Hopefully I will see more of your members around Rioth, and you as well.

I can agree with this.  PLing aside, there are good members of the Dragons.  It\'s really only a few bad apples (bodacher etc.).  Guy\'s like Rioth and Meriner aren\'t jerks.  They simply don\'t know what many others know.

[Bodacher]

I\'m the bad apple now?  I think that most people you speak to would disagree on that one Shal.  It is people like you that drive the good ones away from this game.  Say goodbye to another....I\'ve had as much of this crap as I can take.

To all my friends, I\'m sorry, I just can\'t take it anymore....Stay away from people like Shal and I\'m sure you\'ll have a good time.

Bye all.

[Valbrandr]

What?!.. you mean you are going to stay away from the forums or are you leaving PS?  Listen I dont know you, but dont leave because of shal.  If you are a good member then stay because that is who we need around here.  But dont ever let someone dictate to you when you are going to leave.

[Bodacher]

No offence, but why should you care? The community is just losing another \"PL\'er\"!  You admit that you don\'t know me and immediately implore me to stay, yet yesterday you were just as quick to dismiss the entire guild as a bunch of PL\'ers.
 
Shal is not the only reason, but his attitude is spreading like a disease.  Flames in the forums and harrassment in-game ( from lots of different people, and not just at me or my guild ).  I see it almost every day.  It\'s not a very friendly place anymore and is no longer fun. That\'s what people like Shal bring to the game, and that is why I\'m leaving.

[Valbrandr]

***Valbrandr shows him the door

Thats fine.  Instead of helping you can leave.. that always helps the community.  Did you read my second post by the way... Im assuming you didnt because I said the opposite though the only time ive seen you ingame is camping.. and I have never RPed with you or seen you RPing with anyone else.  Though I have with a few of your ex guildmates.  If you are leaving because of the reasons then to try and get you to stay would be a mistake.. you would end up leaving either way.  I just wish instead of \"I dont think I like this anymore and its no fun\".. go and try to change things and attempt to make it fun instead of leaving. But cya...

[Ganinos]

Today is a very Sad day for me.  I wake up to find not just a guild mate has left, but a really good friend.  Bodacher helped me when I was new to PS.  I have also seen him help many others who were new to the game.  We have adventured togther many times, & shared many a tale & ale in the Tavern in Hydlaa afterwards.  

In all the days that I have known Bodacher, he never has been so much as rude to another player, let alone do any of the things some people have accused him personally of doing.  To the contrary, he has provided guidence, help & in some cases friendship to those in need.  

To those that say, \"well you do know him\",  I say \"no, it is you who do not know him\".  A good Dwarf has left us today & PS is just a little bit worse for it.  I hope that Bodacher will return one day.

Gan, \"Long Beard\" raises his mug in a salute to his departed good friend Bodacher.

Gan, \"Long Beard\"
Leader, White Dragon Clan
Dragon High Master

[Verrliit]

Oh, my darling Bodacher...

The tears stream down my face.  I can hardly see what I write, upon the screen.

You did not even say goodbye.

Had you spoken your feelings to me, I think that I would have convinced you to stay.

Is that why there was no warning?  And you deleted your account?

I know the buzzing gadfly, Shal, who tries to feel important, could never have budged you...

Instead, it is that thing you would not tell me, that has taken you away.

So you had to leave, and thought you could not do it otherwise?

Know that all of those who love you here, will miss you very much.

I blow a kiss, and hope happiness will find you on your way.

Goodbye dear Bod, and fare thee well.


Love,

Verrliit.

[r.guppy]

I am saddened at this news we have become good friends since i have been in game and had a lot of fun together , i wise you well were ever you are your  hu-man friend

[Tarel]

I feel very sad to see you leaving.

You were a good friend of us and well known amongst many.

You were a good Dragon Master.

I hope we can see you soon back in time.