The Hydlaa Octarch has died!

[Under the moon]

Oh woes us! The Octarch of the fist level has passed on suddenly, succumbing to the strange disease that has been plaguing our lands. It now falls upon us to form an emergency council of guilds to elect a new temporary Octarch until the Vigesimi convene at the beginning of next year for a permanent election.

How should this be done? The floor is open...

*offers anyone the speaking stick*

(this isn\'t an RP thread, I wish to know peoples opinions on doing an ingame/forum election of sorts, and what the Octarch\'s duties would be, maybe acompanied by another festival. This position would be purely RP, as there is no actual law system hardcoded.)

[Xordan]

You will all vote for me.

I am your God.

[Keyaz]

back to your happy place Xordan!  :O

I\'m sorry, he hasn\'t been the same since the wizardking incident  :rolleyes:

Perhaps you should talk with some of the guild leaders, of those, respectful guilds  

i doubt we\'d want the \'miners and mailmen union\' to state their opinion on such matters  

[KwartzTheKran]

This was mentioned before many moons ago, all for it -
Few Suggestions on the roles;

*Reviews and balancing of the economy.
*Sorting out disputes.
*Public events.

[Kaseijin]

wellll..ideally there should be a group of people who will take the load of gm\'s but who would not be gms themselves.  Now octrach are pretty high up on the social heirarchy, so they probably wouldn\'t involve themselves as mediators in bar fights. They would however be perfect as such when it comes to guild wars.
It would be nice they could perform marriages, but as i said octrach are high up on the hierarchy they wouldn\'t waste they time on performing marriage ceremonies, unless it was between two respected citizens. In any case it would be nice if they had the ability to change last names.

i see it like this, GM\'s take care of problematic players non-rpers.
Octrach would deal with problematic characters, who as such might actually be excellent rp-ers

i must ponder on this further
such people should definatelly exist.

[Under the moon]

*takes up the speaking stick again*

I was more interested in the mechanics of actually having an election. You know...putting forth nominies, campaigning ingame and forum threads, voting rules, bribing, ingame or forum voting, sig rules, ingame ceremonies, that sort of thing. Though duties are important, but they mean nothing unless there in an actual election.

I will search for other relevant threads and link them here.

Looks like Xordan is starting his campaign already.

*hands off the speaking stick*

*edit, takes up the speaking stick again*

Xordan just reminded me, if there is an election, there will be need of political intrigue, recall, and :evil: assassination rules.

*lays the stick down and slowly backs away from Xordan*

[Quwaar]

heh, if xordan begins Ill jusy hide in the woods, where he shall not find me

Pick ME! (erm..why, what you do an octarch, I never did notice you guys/gals)

[Keyaz]

Originally posted by Kaseijin
wellll..ideally there should be a group of people who will take the load of gm\'s but who would not be gms themselves.  Now octrach are pretty high up on the social heirarchy, so they probably wouldn\'t involve themselves as mediators in bar fights. They would however be perfect as such when it comes to guild wars.
It would be nice they could perform marriages, but as i said octrach are high up on the hierarchy they wouldn\'t waste they time on performing marriage ceremonies, unless it was between two respected citizens. In any case it would be nice if they had the ability to change last names.

i see it like this, GM\'s take care of problematic players non-rpers.
Octrach would deal with problematic characters, who as such might actually be excellent rp-ers

i must ponder on this further
such people should definatelly exist.

Valid idea, but players ownt be getting special commands liek gm\'s do :\\ you want them you have to be a responsible GM who wants to help the community, cant have players running around renaming people at their discretion :/ *shudder* bad thoughts

[Kiern]

http://www.planeshift3d.com/wbboard/thread.php?threadid=15054&boardid=13&styleid=3&page=1

[buddha]

I love discussion like this!

Who says that we have to live in a democracy? Warlords are cool, too.

Here are my two, three, four ... cents.

If I can\'t kill you, and you can\'t kill me, we can\'t enforce anything on each other except harassment.

If you want assassinations, just turn the \"guild war accept always on\" which I think is an option.  That way, as a show of good faith, you are always open to opponents.  Maybe there is a way to enforce being open to guild wars if you accept some sort of public position.

But what do you get out of being the King of Planeshift?  Not much.  The only enforcement option you have right now is to harass people until they do what you want.  And what is it you want to do?

Let\'s say there is a guild out there that has tons of people and want to rule the plaza.  Let\'s say they have a reason to do so.  Well, they could get enough numbers to walk around challenging everyone and bullying them until they \"comply\".  Now, they rule the plaza.  Bingo, we have a warlord.  Any takers?

If you don\'t accept challenges or guild wars, then noone can take this power away from you.  But then, that eliminates a pretty interesting side of the game.

[Zan]

Okay lets look at this in a simple perspective ...

Leadership is built on power, whether that power comes from the masses, wealth or physical strength doesn\'t quite matter.  As long as you are the most powerful person around, you \'re the boss. Since in PS one cannot attack another without the other allowing it physical power is irrelevant so far.

Thus leaving the true power with the masses, the people of Yliakum. Either you can bribe the masses in obeying you or you can charm the masses into obeying you. Or you can boycot them by controlling most resources for example. Assuming that last one happened we would probably have a rat king controlling all rat spawns and rats

Now someone said the Octarch should be accompagnied with a Festival .. and he should be able to perform weddings ... *is so not feeling addressed now*

Of course on second thought I \'d rather not occupy such a public seat of power. I prefer to be the one staying in the shadows pulling all the strings

[Under the moon]

*takes up the speaking stick*

Thank you Kiern, I was going to get around to posting that. But it doesn\'t really help anyways.

What I propose here is more of a player driven event -like the Festival- than a permenent fixation. In that thread, many of you asked what the point of government would be at this point (including many GMs). Well, there isn\'t one. I am more interested in the turmoil, RP, and stories that will sprout from a political race of some some sort. After it is done, it will most likely fade away, end of the story. But it is the jouney that matters in RP, not the end. Some people are missing this point. What is the point of doing anything right now, with the \'Wipe\' looming over our heads? What is the point of playing at all, with the game only in pre-beta? Because we want to.

*shakes the stick at the crowd, raising his voice*

I say \'for shame\' to the nay sayers, the termagants who stomp on anything outside their narrow vison.

I say we do this without the Devs, without the GMs, without the nay-sayers. Just the players. If we fall on our faces, then so be it. At least it was tried, instead of crying about the game. Heck, I can only take one step every five seconds in the game, but I RP even that.

I ask not what happens when we get there, but how we get there. After that...after that, it doesn\'t really matter anymore, as long as the jouney was interesting.

So, to plain out ask what I want to know:

1. What system of election would be best to use?
2. How would nominees be chosen?
3. What would be the rules of conduct?
4. \"\" campaigning?
5. Where, and how would voting take place?
6. How do we do this without the Devs?
7. Insert your own questions here.

If you do not have anything positive to contribute, please stay out of this thread. (Not talking to any of you who have posted here previously, as I find your posts refreshingly positive)

*lays the stick down after shaking it threateningly at the nay-sayers.*

[Kaseijin]

*picks up the stick waves it around
I have nothing to contribute I just feel inspiried by above speech. Oh and i like sticks!
*waves around the stick remembers the poor moose from happy tree friends and puts the stick down


seriously i don\'t know maybe after we choose candidates we could have some sort of debate thing or each candidate gets to hold a speach.

Or have a competition... an Octarach not only has to be good speaker but a good warrior, so after the speach round candidates procede to the arena to comete in their combat skills.

[Sarrow]

Whose to say that the same desease wont kill the next octarch?

Well elections should follow the same basis as our\'s is today. Cept since this is another realm it should have unique standards. Or like in the middle ages, have some religous standards.

[buddha]

UTM:  I completely agree the the RPing aspect is the best part.  However, I think that would be best served if there is something to fight over.   Right now, I don\'t believe that intrique and mystery will follow unless there is some Maltese Falcon being passed around like a football.

Kings are dethroned because others want their power.  What power could a king in PS weild right now?  I\'m not sure.  It seems that noone in PS has any power because there are no commodities.  If someone is declared King, how can you usurp them?  How can you conspire against them?

Like I said, admitting a guild war is one way.  That way, figures in power can be assassinated, or at least challenged, and true conflict can begin.  That is the essence of good story-telling.  We need ONE item the TWO people want and some way to battle over it.

I suppose just the title King of Ojaveda would be worth fighting over, but that also has technical issues.  If I declare myself King, then you can as well.  How do we know who is the \"real\" king?  Even if you had a 1000 man guild and I was alone, I could go around calling myself King all day with impunity.  Who is to stop me?

I don\'t think I\'m a naysayer.  I wish to see practical implementations of power struggles.  I can hardly wait until the first real war.  Also, I\'m really really really looking forward to some social structure around here.

I think the question we should be asking is: what power is there to seize and weild?  Then we\'d get warlords, then we\'d get kings, then we\'d get a Prime Minister or something.

Anyone who is very wealthy could make many alliances right now and perhaps enforce and idea that they are mayor or something.

Do you disagree that this is a problem?