So its true!

[Arkumin Delvrim]

Originally posted by Kiramon
I think Phinehas was being sarcastic about the PP and the Patronizing, and if he has the same opinion as another it is easier to say that isn\'t it? :rolleyes:

Yes, \"me too\" is always easy to say. So easy in fact that it\'s usually considered to be unnecessary to all but the youngest among us.

Phinehas was being sarcastic and not patronizing? How do you expect a poor dwarf to draw a line that fine? LOL.

/me Swings BeerMugODeath at fine line between patronizing and sarcasm..nearly spills beer!

Originally posted by Arkumin Delvrim
Neener Neener Pumpkin Eater

Originally posted by Kiramon
Now that is real mature...

Whew! I was afraid people might miss the subtlety of it! Us Dwarfs aren\'t real good at bein subtle! But I tried!

/me chuckles into his beer

[Phinehas]

Yes, I was being sarcastic, and patronizing. It\'s my job. My point was that Drey should not, as it doesn\'t suit him. He should be posting in his own unique and very weird way, which patronization has no part in. As for the rest of your accusations, if you lack the facilities to comprehend my posts, then don\'t comment on them.

[Arkumin Delvrim]

Originally posted by Phinehas
Yes, I was being sarcastic, and patronizing. It\'s my job. My point was that Drey should not, as it doesn\'t suit him. He should be posting in his own unique and very weird way, which patronization has no part in. As for the rest of your accusations, if you lack the facilities to comprehend my posts, then don\'t comment on them.

You said facilities!

/me resists the temptation to make the obvious potty humor joke, which is hard to do for a dwarf!

Speaking of lacking in comprehension, you overlooked the request for an actual content response part of the discussion. I know, you were busy patronizing me, but here, I\'ll repeat it for you:

Overlooking the importance to new PS players, Progression Points are the only visual marker or indicator of level in the game that the player has. Not much of one I agree, but at least it\'s something. What multiple advantages are there to editing the current system so that it doesn\'t need PP\'s? Or were you just \"me tooing\" so it wouldn\'t look like some pathetic attempt to get the last word in? Because in case you lacked the comprehension necessary to look back over the entire thread to see which of us commented on the other\'s post first...

You started it! You big bully! LOL

Not to mention you had the nerve to actually try and take a Dwarf\'s beer away from him!  War I tell ya! War!

/me Drinks his beer, after adding another touch o scum..yummy!

[Nikodemus]

First of all Arkumin, next time, try to see who wrote what. It is you who is missing the content and lack understanding of posts.

Answering your question which i really don\'t know why you have repeated, here it goes:
- Two reasons you have in my post.
- Another which i think i also mentioned is, you won\'t have thousands of points which you probably never use.
- One won\'t have to think if he has enough points, when he is going to training, because he will be going to train simply when the bar will be full and he won\'t be able to practice anymore unles he go training.

Also I don\'t think so PP\'s is the only thing which gives newbie feling of progression. If that newbie would read player guide, he would know how system works. If not it is really simple to ask someone.
If there were no PP\'s, newbie would simply look at his bar in the given skill and if he read the guide he would have the feeling of progression.

[Arkumin Delvrim]

Originally posted by Nikodemus
First of all Arkumin, next time, try to see who wrote what. It is you who is missing the content and lack understanding of posts.

Hmm Tag yer it huh? LOL. OK, lets go for it! In what way am I missing the content and lack of understanding? Unless it\'s a lack of understanding the content with which you support this statement. If it\'s the following statement:

Originally posted by Nikodemus Answering your question which i really don\'t know why you have repeated, here it goes:

I have to say that it appears you are the one who\'s missed the content and have a lack of understanding. The reason I repeated the post to Phinehas was because he responded to my first response to his response, etc., with only sarcasm and missed providing an answer with content, and that showed a lack of understanding. So I repeated the content. So, if you review thru the content of the thread, I think you\'ll not miss understanding the content this time. And I hope that provides you with some contentment and understanding.

As to the part of yer post which has actual content and not a lack of understanding of the back&forth between Phinehas and meself:

Originally posted by Nikodemus - Two reasons you have in my post.
- Another which i think i also mentioned is, you won\'t have thousands of points which you probably never use.
- One won\'t have to think if he has enough points, when he is going to training, because he will be going to train simply when the bar will be full and he won\'t be able to practice anymore unles he go training.

Interesting Points. My own is that the Progression Points in the thousands is the only indication of level other than stats that we have. The Experience bar percentage rolling over and over doesn\'t really tell me anything. The PP being at 2000, 5000, 10,000 tells me something about where you are in the game. Granted it\'s not much to go by, but it\'s better than no level indicator IMHO. I\'m not getting the bar indicator. How would that be more useful than the points system? Since the points really only matter to newbies in the game who need to know how many they need to train, and don\'t mean anything to us in the game after you collect a few hundred, except as I said an indicator of progress, a progress bar would seem to show less information than the actual points? Am I missing something?

Originally posted by Nikodemus Also I don\'t think so PP\'s is the only thing which gives newbie feling of progression. If that newbie would read player guide, he would know how system works. If not it is really simple to ask someone.
If there were no PP\'s, newbie would simply look at his bar in the given skill and if he read the guide he would have the feeling of progression.

One thing I always do when showing a newbie over to Harnquist is send em a tell saying: \"Now that you\'ve got a feel for the game and a look at the graphics, you really need to go back to the website where you downloaded the game and read the Player\'s Guide.\" I completely agree with you that it\'s necessary to do that to understand any indicator of progress in the game. That being said, Progression Points are what they are. An indicator, they are an indicator of overall Progression via a Points system.

/me Drinks another beer and hopes he\'s been succinct enough

[Phinehas]

What\'s wrong with using the actual levels as an indicator of where you are in the game? As far as I understand Nikodemus is desirous of removing the progression points, but not the levels that you put them into. If that\'s not what he meant, then it was my ingenious plan... Either way...

As for why I replied to your post without any content, but only sarcasm, well, that\'s the way I operate. I rarely bother to hash out the matters at hand because I find that there are dozens of others who are capable of doing it, if not as well as I, then at least completely adequately. I prefer to take issue with the logic of a particular post, or the attitude of a particular poster thereby improving the argument not by direct intervention, but by keeping the fight fair(to put it in simple terms).

[ramlambmoo]

This thread is completly off track and needs to die a swift and painful death.  Because of which, im going to be a Complete hypocrite and keep it alive by replying.

Interesting Points. My own is that the Progression Points in the thousands is the only indication of level other than stats that we have. The Experience bar percentage rolling over and over doesn\'t really tell me anything. The PP being at 2000, 5000, 10,000 tells me something about where you are in the game. Granted it\'s not much to go by, but it\'s better than no level indicator IMHO. I\'m not getting the bar indicator. How would that be more useful than the points system? Since the points really only matter to newbies in the game who need to know how many they need to train, and don\'t mean anything to us in the game after you collect a few hundred, except as I said an indicator of progress, a progress bar would seem to show less information than the actual points? Am I missing something?  

Firstly, I dont see what the hype about how Many progression points you have is.  They mean nothing because Unless im mistaken, you usually use them up on skills after you get them.. so how many Progression Points you have is unrelated to how strong your character is.  A character with 0 pp\'s could have level 80 sword and 50 in light armour, or a person with 5000 could have no skills whatsoever.  I have a bugged character with 44,000 Progression Points, but no skills, and no money, so they\'re pretty worthless.  Progression points are a very rough guide, nothing more.

Overlooking the importance to new PS players, Progression Points are the only visual marker or indicator of level in the game that the player has. Not much of one I agree, but at least it\'s something. What multiple advantages are there to editing the current system so that it doesn\'t need PP\'s? Or were you just \"me tooing\" so it wouldn\'t look like some pathetic attempt to get the last word in?  

No, skills also indicate the level the player is at, or even tria.  I would rank those both above PP\'s.

As for why I replied to your post without any content, but only sarcasm, well, that\'s the way I operate. I rarely bother to hash out the matters at hand because I find that there are dozens of others who are capable of doing it, if not as well as I, then at least completely adequately. I prefer to take issue with the logic of a particular post, or the attitude of a particular poster thereby improving the argument not by direct intervention, but by keeping the fight fair(to put it in simple terms).

So basically you just come into a conversation and add nothing factual to it, but just make subjective and sarcastic comments.  I mean, you dont bother to hash out the matters at hand or figure out whats going on, you just feel the need to jump in and attack people to keep it \'fair\'  Well, I mean you\'re not alone, you\'re just the first person i\'ve seen to willingly admit that..

[remvak]

Question: Howcome many people get flamed for repeating stuff when they could have just searched for it but then this dude comes along, starts another cliche wipe thread and doesn\'t get flamed? O_o

*cough* hypocrites *cough*

[Phinehas]

Originally posted by ramlambmoo

As for why I replied to your post without any content, but only sarcasm, well, that\'s the way I operate. I rarely bother to hash out the matters at hand because I find that there are dozens of others who are capable of doing it, if not as well as I, then at least completely adequately. I prefer to take issue with the logic of a particular post, or the attitude of a particular poster thereby improving the argument not by direct intervention, but by keeping the fight fair(to put it in simple terms).

So basically you just come into a conversation and add nothing factual to it, but just make subjective and sarcastic comments.  I mean, you dont bother to hash out the matters at hand or figure out whats going on, you just feel the need to jump in and attack people to keep it \'fair\'  Well, I mean you\'re not alone, you\'re just the first person i\'ve seen to willingly admit that..

Hmm... well when you put it that way, yes!

No, I do often add things to the topic at hand. More often, however, I\'m drawn into the conversation by my desire to help people see through their own flawed logic and what-not, as an example, see the Dragon\'s Council thread. I may not be directly contributing to the conversation, but I am helping to make it more productive. Not always, I admit, but often.

[ramlambmoo]

Hmm... well when you put it that way, yes!

No, I do often add things to the topic at hand. More often, however, I\'m drawn into the conversation by my desire to help people see through their own flawed logic and what-not, as an example, see the Dragon\'s Council thread. I may not be directly contributing to the conversation, but I am helping to make it more productive. Not always, I admit, but often.

Lol well when you put it that way it makes it sound alot better than what I said..
Moreover, when I look at it, thats what I do alot of the time.  Except I usually try to get an understanding of the thread and add something factual to it and then launch into the criticism of everybody\'s logical.

[Phinehas]

Originally posted by ramlambmoo

Hmm... well when you put it that way, yes!

No, I do often add things to the topic at hand. More often, however, I\'m drawn into the conversation by my desire to help people see through their own flawed logic and what-not, as an example, see the Dragon\'s Council thread. I may not be directly contributing to the conversation, but I am helping to make it more productive. Not always, I admit, but often.

Lol well when you put it that way it makes it sound alot better than what I said..
Moreover, when I look at it, thats what I do alot of the time.  Except I usually try to get an understanding of the thread and add something factual to it and then launch into the criticism of everybody\'s logical.

So do I usually, but that doesn\'t mean I do every time, nor am I going to apologize when I don\'t. And you\'re right, it does sound a lot better the way I put it, that was the whole point.

[Efflixi Aduro]

Funny how a thread about the wipe progresses into people arguing with themselvs in a completly off-topic post so long it doesn\'t even fit on my screen...

Topic: Guys is there a wipe?

Poster1: Ya, duh... *walks off* stupid n00b...

Poster2: YES THERE IS A WIPE I THINK THERE SHOULDN\'T BE ONE!!!!!

Poster3: WELL I THINK THERE SHOULDN\'T BE PP!!!

Poster1: *quotes a million people including George Washington*
*begins to argue with himself for a whole page this is just to save space*

Poster4: I AGREE WITH POSTER 1 YET I WILL ALSO PROCEED TO QUOTING A MILLION PEOPLE AND SOMHOW IN ALL THAT ONE PAGE OF WRITING STILL FIND A WAY TO ARGUE WITH POSTER1 WHILE AGREEING WITH HIM AT THE SAME TIME!!!!

[Phinehas]

Then of course there\'s poster number 6 who comes along and says how funny the whole thing is, all the while doing nothing to actually contribute to the conversation...

[Arkumin Delvrim]

Originally posted by Phinehas
Hmm... well when you put it that way, yes!

/me Goggles speechless

That\'s your operating logic???

that..that..that\'s just worthy of a dwarf!

I yield to my better. LOL

/me starts to drink his beer and pours it on the ground in tribute instead

[DaveG]

Originally posted by Phinehas
Then of course there\'s poster number 6 who comes along and says how funny the whole thing is, all the while doing nothing to actually contribute to the conversation...

Like me!...    Not that there\'s much of a conversation to contribute to...

Originally posted by ramlambmoo
This thread is completly off track and needs to die a swift and painful death.

I second that notion...



PP are useless, money is scarce, blah, blah, blah...
You guys need to stop arguing about obvious and well known annoyances...

Is Moogie dead, or something?...  ?(