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[Maverik]

I agree with Seytra completly, there are probably alot of guilds that don\'t even last a couple of days, and if you cough up the thria then that shows dedication to keeping it and striving to make it better.Not just some guild that has like 2 people and breaks apart after like 2 days.

[pigottsm]

i\'m completly lost. what is this central government, i\'ve played for quite a while and never heard of them. please fill me in

Note, one questionmark whould have worked, my key was jammed and i didn\'t notice it till you said some thing

[Seytra]

Originally posted by pigottsm
i\'m completly lost. what is this central government, i\'ve played for quite a while and never heard of them. please fill me in

I\'m inclined to believe that this encompasses only a few days, but whatever. There is a website to PS, and at this website is a background section, labelled \"Story\", within which you find this: Government.

So you are saying you played for more than one day without reading about where you are?

[Xordan]

My ideas are not to just have \"Pay X tria and get a guild\". Imo that really sucks. The system will be good, fun, (original ) and will fit in with the PS setting very nicely. I have already solved all the questions/problems in this thread in a way which everbody except a powergamer will like. I hope that it will get some large \'core\' guilds running, instead of having 100000 small guilds running around everywhere.

You\'ll find out more about it when it\'s approved and implemented. You don\'t have to worry about it for now anyway. Just make your guilds as normal, the changes won\'t make you have to remake the guilds again (I hope) when they\'re done. One suggestion I will make is that you try and form up into more organized, structured guilds with good rp backgrounds, or things will become not so easy in the future. Oh, and mass recruiting isn\'t a good thing to do It will be to a guilds advantage to have less good members rather than hundreds of non-active, or bad members.

[fken]

1) @Xordan: I hope you will find something cool and fun enough that wont bore me...
but
1.1) you will annoy every little guild like mine or like explorers guild
1.2) like pigottsm said you will another time heard people speaking about money and please please please Im listening this peanut word everytime IRL please let this peanut word outside my hobby!!!

2) @pigottsm: it is incredibly hard to understand you...
You said you didnt want to see people saying \"if you wanna belong to our guild you will have to pay\" but there is no problem if there were fees to pay each 4 monthes... Im lost... What\'s the difference? Are you thinking that there wont be any problem for the guildmaster to pay instead of every inactive members???

Anyway, if the price of pterosaur or houses are too high there will be money required by every members...

3) (the most interesting!) @Seytra: another extremist point of view: you are forcig people to think like you.

THE ONLY Interesting argument would be to say something like too many guild is polluting server memory... but it\'s the only argument you didnt wrote.

If I read what you said I am wondering if you arent simply jealous of others way of life because they are able to do what they wanna do and you not.

What\'s the problem when you see people creating a future dead guild? This guild will stop alone.

But in fact you wanna show newbees that you are someone important and they arent... it\'s the only reason I am understanding in your argumentation.

By the way I must admit I thought like you that it was a problem all these guys who create guilds without following the rules but... I understood there are things more important than this fact and really... it was stupid...

You said it was realistic to pay a fees for belonging to a guild...
First it\'s wrong because in middleage people groups them only in regards with their ideas
Then, I belong to the Debian community and I never paid fees for it... so it\'s still possible today...

4) @Xordan: I think you dont need to force people to pay for creating a guild because thanks to the future possibility to buy a guildhouse everyone will be able to understand wich guild is good and which one isnt: Only active guilds with acitve players will be able to buy a house... so where is the problem?

However if you earn a house when you create a guild I cant be against...

Dont forget some people like me worked hard to build their own guild. Adding fees could ruin my works... It wont be fair.

And... it would be nice if there were some collect box in guildhouse that only the guildmaster or some important members can open... dont you think?

[Talamir]

It will be to a guilds advantage to have less good members rather than hundreds of non-active, or bad members.

We\'re saved I say!! Saved!

(We plan to have no more than 15-17 elite members at full capacity)

[Xordan]

fken: Don\'t worry, I\'ve already thought about all that.

You people think too much about tria and don\'t read what I say.  :rolleyes:

[Seytra]

Originally posted by fken
3) (the most interesting!) @Seytra: another extremist point of view: you are forcig people to think like you.

First of all this is the second tiome you speak of my views as being \"extremist\" while they in fact are moderate. I see nothing extremist with what I posted on this topic, so I must assume that since you dislike what I said you try to label it \"extremist\" in order to discourage people to agree with it.

Originally posted by fken
THE ONLY Interesting argument would be to say something like too many guild is polluting server memory... but it\'s the only argument you didnt wrote.

Because it has been stated several times that memory isn\'t an issue ATM.

Originally posted by fken
If I read what you said I am wondering if you arent simply jealous of others way of life because they are able to do what they wanna do and you not.

I can only laugh at that.

Originally posted by fken
What\'s the problem when you see people creating a future dead guild? This guild will stop alone.

Well, the problem is (or should be) obvious: they make guilds look like a matter of having an additional line of text under the chars name. A guild is serious business, and they are diluting it\'s importance. A guild is more than a random bunch of people. Just like IRL, you don\'t just meet a few friends and call yourself a guild, or anything beyond friends.

Originally posted by fken
But in fact you wanna show newbees that you are someone important and they arent... it\'s the only reason I am understanding in your argumentation.

Well, it is quite obvious that you have no idea what I am talking about.

Originally posted by fken
By the way I must admit I thought like you that it was a problem all these guys who create guilds without following the rules but... I understood there are things more important than this fact and really... it was stupid...

Did I ever say that it is the most important thing? No, because it isn\'t. However, you cannot only care about the most important things, because otherwise the less important things become hell eventually.

Originally posted by fken
You said it was realistic to pay a fees for belonging to a guild...
First it\'s wrong because in middleage people groups them only in regards with their ideas

Were these guilds? No, they were not. A guild is an organization that  aims to protect and dominate a sector of economy. They also provide financial and other services, so they require money or other fees from their members.

Originally posted by fken
Then, I belong to the Debian community and I never paid fees for it... so it\'s still possible today...

And that proves exactly what? Debian is a nonprofit organization, so they are not required to pay taxes and such. Also, they do still need donations. I honestly don\'t think Debian compares to a guild.

[Maverik]

YOU GOT TOLDDDDDDD! No offense to any of you, im not taking anyones side just thought i would say that .

[backeroo]

This is really going to be an very interesting Thread.
Should something that people can do or join on their own free will cost money?

Why not, because you receive something for it! The Game offers special functionalities to Guilds.

If it\'s just about a bunch of Friends, meeting here and there, standing for something, the buddy-list do as well.

I\'m really not sure where i\'m standing here, but i really think, that we all should google the terms \"Guild\" and \"Community\".

I like the second one more, but we\'re all Individuals, so.....

..., all i can say is : \" Even if you\'re not in a Guild, you\'re part of the Community....if you want!\"

regards, peace, love and one more ale for me , please......

backeroo

[Maverik]

Make that 2  

[fken]

Seytra : I called extremist point of view the fact you want rules which will decrease freedom of players just because you dont like somethinng which only concern other people (not you)

You say people create guilds ... guild are serious business ... the must pay fees...

but

if someone create a guild it dont interfers with your life (irl or ic !)

so

In my mind, this way of thinking is like the way of thinking of some american who think some s e x position must be forbidden or the fact that there is no more TV direct because some guys were shocked to see Janet\'s tits...

When I said extremist point of view... first it was the third time I told that to you (not the second time) and moreover it was because you know what\'s good for us etter than us (like a big superior mind) and wanna interfer in my freedom (not especially me but I am individual like eah other   ). I despise this kind of reaction

Were Robin\'s hood friends forced to pay a fees? it\'s just an example... I m not sure it is the best... if you wanna say it\'s not a guild I would like to know its name and then ask to xordan to implement it into the game...

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@Xordan: thats absolutly not what annoy me, you are wrong, I dont think only about trias! I just think I dislike the idea of beeing forced to come and play: then it would not be nice game for me but something I would be forced to do. no more enjoying...

[neme5i5]

I have talked to people wanting to start a guild, and they had no clue when I asked what kind of people that they would like to bring together.

In my mind, beyond that aspect. A guild should have some direction they want to take the community in. Am I wrong? (note: this is my first MMORPG)

[John_Thazer]

Fees, fees, fess, stop thinking about trias, there other, more important things to think and take care of.

[fken]

freedom for example !!!

ie: freedom to not pay any fees