The Klyros now recruiting

[Seytra]

Originally posted by Dandamis
Klyros share a strong sense of brotherhood with their own race and they are the only race to have strong enough free will to refuse Laanx\'s commands when first brought to Yliakum.  It makes very good sense that Klyros would want to join together with their own kind.

So this is in no way feeling superior, then, and banding together with only their kind due to it?

Edit: Not to mention that this conclusion you derived from the history section is wrong: the Diaboli also do not accept the gods. For different reasons, yes, but still.
Furthermore, since you brought up \"brotherhood\": Since when does brotherhood stop at race boundaries? Is someone who shares the exact same POV as yourself but not a Klyros automatically not capable of forming brotherhood-bonds with you?
Consequently, is any Klyros, no matter of what they actually do and think, automatically connected to you by these brotherhood bounds? I think your concept of \"brotherhood\" is a bit skewed.

Edit 2: Your edit answered some of the points in here, but I leave them in for completeness.

Edit 3: You yourself brought in the religiusness, so why did you do that if you think it\'s not relevant?

[Dandamis]

I didnt bring in religion - you must\'ve misinnterpreted what I was saying.  I was relating PS history - which has references to Gods in it.  That is the only way anything I said was religious.  (At least that was my intent - what were you referring to?)

And No.  It doesn\'t have anything to do with superiority.  Commonality - yes.  Groups form naturally when they have things in common.  Race is a big thing to have in common.  Organizing around it isn\'t a declaratin that those that are different are inferior.  It appears to me that you are overly sensitive to the \"race card\".  But you should remember that Yliakum is not like the world out here where race is abused as a political instrument.  In fact in Yliakum there is very little if any sense of racism.  That too is from the history, if I do recall correctly.

[Seytra]

Originally posted by Dandamis
I didn\'t make that up - that\'s Planeshift History!  That\'s a FACT carved in stone, not a variable in this equation.

I know the history of Ps fairly well, thank you very much.
I did not say you made that up. What you however did not mention is that Diaboil also don\'t bow to Talad or Laanx.
Edit: Also, the history doesn\'t say anything about \"strong enough free will\". It merely states that they did not accept Laanx\'s claims to be their god. In fact, it hints at a completely different reason behind that.

[Dandamis]

-post no longer relevant-

[Seytra]

Originally posted by Dandamis
Most certainly did not.  I said Klyros were the only one to refuse Laanx;s commands when first brought to Yliakum.  The Diaboli were brough by Talad without trying to impose his will on them - he is very different from Laanx.  I never claimed that Klyros were the only one to refuse the gods.  You put words in my mouth I did not intend.

Maybe you did not intend these, but your formulations seem to imply them. Whether Talad tried to impose his will is of no importance, as is whether Laanx or Talad did to the other races.

What is important is that you yourself said that the Klyros consider themselves superiour to other races because they had such a strong will that not even Laanx managed to bend it. This is clearly wrong and resembles racist attitudes.

Also, He did not bring them there, they came by themselves.

Furthermore, quoting from the history:

From the PS history
All the Talad\'s efforts to make the Diaboli his followers failed. The Diaboli were inclined to disappear whenever someone began to discuss about religion.

So he did in no way try to be their god?

[Orndorff_Trolls]

Well, technically no other race is a \"brother\" with Orndorff except the trolls, and since there are no trolls in the game the Klyros are the only ones there. Also, if the trolls were in the game we would not allow them in the guild because their race had destroyed our ancestors and friends (if you\'ve read the klyros guild history)

Edit: Did I just see a mod use his/her powers for their own liking?

[Seytra]

Originally posted by Orndorff_Trolls
Well, technically no other race is a \"brother\" with Orndorff except the trolls, and since there are no trolls in the game the Klyros are the only ones there. Also, if the trolls were in the game we would not allow them in the guild because their race had destroyed our ancestors and friends (if you\'ve read the klyros guild history)

Why do you insist on having trolls in your bacstory if you know that they don\'t exist in PS?
Why would they be brothers to you if they destroyed your clan? Why would only Klyros be eligible to be your brothers if even trolls who destroyed your clan would technically be?

And no, I have not read the history of your guild. I am perfectly sure that one can write up a history to justify anything. Nevertheless, that doesn\'t make it any better.

Originally posted by Orndorff_Trolls
Edit: Did I just see a mod use his/her powers for their own liking?

No, you most definitely did not. As you can easily see, it was the poster himself who edited out the content. That\'s what the \"Post last edited by \" is for. A mod would have deleted the post. Also, the mods in here usually are pretty neutral and decent.

[Dandamis]

Originally posted by Seytra
Maybe you did not intend these, but your formulations seem to imply them. Whether Talad tried to impose his will is of no importance, as is whether Laanx or Talad did to the other races.

What is important is that you yourself said that the Klyros consider themselves superiour to other races because they had such a strong will that not even Laanx managed to bend it. This is clearly wrong and resembles racist attitudes.

Ok, well, you obviously just \"don\'t get it\".  You interpret my words  incorrectly and your \"formulations\" are your own - don\'t blame them on me.  I said what I said, not what you implied from it.

As for the Diaboli r any Gods - I just wasn\'t talking about them - I wasn\'t saying Klyros were superior - just that\'s a pretty unique thing in the history and it points to their sense of independence, as does the in-game description.

At any rate, you obviously have racial issues, so best to just not inflame you anymore.  We\'re not racist - you can believe that or not at your discretion.

[Orndorff_Trolls]

oh i did not see that Dandamis had edited it, sorry.

1 The klyros are brothers just as I am a brother to my sister *in real life*
2 Trolls don\'t exist in planeshift... EXACTALLY READ THE HISTORY *the guild history*

The Klyros Guild history
Feeling a little sick, Orndorff and Qedosh descided to travel to the city that had the legendary temple in it that looked like a big flame. This city was also a trade center full of many different races. It was very far from Orndorff\'s castle. It was somewhere that no troll lived, at least we think so.

3 The trolls would be a \"brother\" because Orndorff\'s or my father was a troll

The Klyros Guild history
Orndorff was a half-n-half. His father was a troll and his mother was a Klyros.

and please do not argue with me about the history of my guild in which I wrote :tongue:

Edit: As Dandamis said We are NOT racist no matter what you believe

[Seytra]

Originally posted by Dandamis
Ok, well, you obviously just \"don\'t get it\".  You interpret my words  incorrectly and your \"formulations\" are your own - don\'t blame them on me.  I said what I said, not what you implied from it.

The formulations were not mine, they were yours, and you would have seen what I was referring to if you had bothered to read my post properly.
Also, words are known to be imprecise, so if you don\'t take care to formulate your text so that it cannot be misinterpreted, it is, at least partially, your very own fault if you get misinterpreted.

Originally posted by Dandamis
As for the Diaboli r any Gods - I just wasn\'t talking about them - I wasn\'t saying Klyros were superior - just that\'s a pretty unique thing in the history and it points to their sense of independence, as does the in-game description.

Just as I said, had you formulated that precisely from the beginning, the entire argument had not arisen.

Originally posted by Dandamis
At any rate, you obviously have racial issues, so best to just not inflame you anymore.

ROFLMAO! I totally love that one!

Originally posted by Dandamis
We\'re not racist - you can believe that or not at your discretion.

If you are not racist, I still fail to see any real reason not to allow non-Klyros into your guild.

Originally posted by Orndorff_Trolls
1 The klyros are brothers just as I am a brother to my sister *in real life*

So it has nothing to do with the \"sense of brotherhood\" from the race description, then?

Originally posted by Orndorff_Trolls
2 Trolls don\'t exist in planeshift... EXACTALLY READ THE HISTORY *the guild history*

I would rather not. It\'s probably the usual \"we came from another planet\" kind of thing, anyway, by way of which people tend to force non-PS elements into PS.

Originally posted by Orndorff_Trolls

The Klyros Guild history
Feeling a little sick, Orndorff and Qedosh descided to travel to the city that had the legendary temple in it that looked like a big flame. This city was also a trade center full of many different races. It was very far from Orndorff\'s castle. It was somewhere that no troll lived, at least we think so.

That part doesn\'t contain any reason why trolls would be where you come from but not in PS.

Originally posted by Orndorff_Trolls
3 The trolls would be a \"brother\" because Orndorff\'s or my father was a troll

The Klyros Guild history
Orndorff was a half-n-half. His father was a troll and his mother was a Klyros.

So what if your grand-grandma was an Ylian? Or does the brotherhoodness wear off after a few generations?  However, I can accept this view as your chars personal one.

However, this is still by no means sufficient to justify exclusion of other races from the guild.

Originally posted by Orndorff_Trolls
and please do not argue with me about the history of my guild in which I wrote :tongue:

LOL! Alright, I\'ll honour your request! However, if you don\'t want to be criticised, you better not post anything in a public place like this. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Orndorff_Trolls
Edit: As Dandamis said We are NOT racist no matter what you believe

It\'s not about my beliefs, but about what your statements imply, as I have stated already.

[Orndorff_Trolls]

Once again, read the guild history...

The Klyros Guild history
 He also realized that the only good thing that had happened to him in his life were klyros... He just favored klyros out of all because they were usually the most kind and helpful.

And I know I will have to back that up so I might as well do it before I leave because I need to leave asap...

Favoring is not the same as a racist. EX: I could favor Dandamis over all the other Klyros in the guild, but that does not mean I do not like anyone else in the guild!

(PS: I don\'t favor anyone in the guild)

I gtg ill catch back up on this topic in 1-2 days...

[Dandamis]

Originally posted by Seytra
The formulations were not mine, they were yours, and you would have seen what I was referring to if you had bothered to read my post properly.
Also, words are known to be imprecise, so if you don\'t take care to formulate your text so that it cannot be misinterpreted, it is, at least partially, your very own fault if you get misinterpreted.

Obviously you\'re more interested in laying blame than understanding my intent. It\'s funny you say that Trolls don\'t exist in PS, cause they sure plague the forums.

[Seytra]

Originally posted by Dandamis
Obviously you\'re more interested in laying blame than understanding my intent. It\'s funny you say that Trolls don\'t exist in PS, cause they sure plague the forums.

Indeed, may I just hold out this mirror to you?

@ Orndorff_Trolls: I edited into my previous post an answer to yours while you posted this one.

[Efflixi Aduro]

Originally posted by Orndorff_Trolls
The Klyros is a guild especially for my kin, the race called Klyros (the bluish-green character with wings)

Ooo so those are what klyros are... I thought they were an item...

There was a huge thread about racist guilds I started a while back. There\'s nothing wrong with this guilds...err... goal.

But, you\'re missing everything. Look at some other older guild or mine, the yliakum libiration front (harmless plug ) check out the thread a few threadfs down you\'ll see how much info a guild thread should provide.

[Orndorff_Trolls]

Ornginally posted by Seytra
That part doesn\'t contain any reason why trolls would be where you come from but not in PS.

Its the same reason that crocidiles do not live in the desert, they were not meant to live there.