Janners Way

[Sangwa]

*Sangwa listens carefully as Janner\'s death is reported to him*

Aaah, what a shame. Such a rightful bloke would surely be of use in the future.

OOC: The player behind Janner won\'t leave us then, right?

[LigH]

OOC: The player behind Janner won\'t leave us then, right?

This is correct. Our good old Janner may be angry about one person or another - but being helpful to newcomers and needful people in general, is too impotant for him, and for his \"guild\".

[r.guppy]

In accordance with my brothers wishes i have taken control of the guild in these troubled time for the guild.

 I have sent out search parties to find my brothers body, I hope for a Miracle.     )

 (Yes he is still hear the man behind Janner.)

[Kythag]

While this community won\'t miss some of us, others are an icon.  Janner is one of those icons.  When I began this game, you were the only advisor I knew at that time(because you showed me where some things were.)Even if you kill off Janner ingame, don\'t leave.

Your help with people new to the game(I REALLY HATE THE TERM \"NEWBIE\") has made the transition to the RP community here very comfortable and rewarding.

I witnessed your roleplay as Kythag if you will remember.  You are an excellent roleplayer!  Where did you ever get that idea?

Bad spelling?  Who cares? Ew acn espll anyway ew antw!  I myself haven\'t noticed spelling errors because I don\'t look for it. If there are trolls ingame or in this forum gigging you for it, ignore them.(Easy for me to say. lol)  

By the way, if Janner dies, I say his character should become part of the storyline of Planeshift in honor of the achievements made(not to belittle other achievements by others too numerous to mention) by Janner.

[r.guppy]

Goodbye all. I sagest moderators check there PM more frequent.

 AS of midnight GMT i disbanded guild and left game for good.

 I wish you all the best for the future. X(

[Kythag]

If he still has option for staff to email him, could someone please do so.  Janner, the character, has become an icon to the game.  The player has also contributed much to this game.

Someone try to address his concerns if it\'s possible.

EDIT:  You can email Janner through the form.  Everyone who Janner has helped when you were new, give him an email to show his presence in the game matters.  This is a community, and we should support it by not allowing someone who has contributed so much to it to leave so easily.  Those who were not helped, but wish Janner to stay, use the form to email him.

[Samiel]

/me is moved to tears

Janner you are away now.
What a disaster!

You were always a shining example for me.
I will never forget you (not ingame and not irl).

Lord Janner is a irreplaceable character ingame.
I am really sorry that I made nothing to prevent this loss.

Now I can only wish you the best for your future and that you all get what you want.

Best regards

[Karyuu]

I do check my PMs, Janner, but I am a forum moderator - I am not a mediator of private conflicts between players. I take care of threads or posts if they contain real flames, not if someone simply doesn\'t like what someone else said. I have great respect for you as a person and as a guildleader, but I know that there are some things you haven chosen to take too far. Simply put - there\'s nothing I can do for you at this point, as sorry about this as I am. I really wish you wouldn\'t just throw your hands up in the air about this all and stick around instead, but I understand that we all have different limits and boundaries of tolerance, and I\'m saddened if you have reached yours so quickly.

Best of luck wherever your paths take you.

[r.guppy]

That is were you are wrong i never pestered him in PMs or in game as he said this is all in his mind and it is time you saw that, he has gone out of his way to make it look as if we are fighting but i ignore him in forums as best i can and in game he goes to far there as well, but as always when no GM is on line to catch him.

Frankly your job is to moderate but in a few threads you have used your moderator sig instead of a individual to post you views that is wrongs of you ,and to close a thread you are involved in is wrong too, there are other moderators listed they should judge the threads you post in not you.

 This is not a go at you as a moderator i have found you to be fair on the most part but fell it should be brought to you attention the above comments.

[Cyl]

Well, ...

First off Janner you either go or you stick, I mean you said farewell twice on this thread ...

that aside:

I strongly doubt that you are not able to put up with your problems alone, while I dont know the facts toroughly on the internet there is only one way to hurt you, mentally, and there is a great defence against it. Ignoring. While certain persons in this community tend to be upmost disruptive and annoying I have never, ever found myself in a situation where I couldn\'t simply ignore them.

You may ask if that is not hypocritic in some way. \"Picking out what you like and ignoring the rest\" But out of my experience someone who acts up simply wants only one thing: to cause annoyance, and to cause people to dust off because of him. Grievers are, and will always be the shadowside of online gaming. And as much as it is routine for grievers to disrupt the experience to others, this is about impossible in planeshift. There is no Open PK, challenges can be turnt to auto-decline, Guild Invites if I remember get punished if down excessively, and if you are in a guild that isn\'t even of belong.

Picking on Karyuu, because she doesnt interferr with your problems with certain persons of this community, which do not even shine up on a field of her sight (forum), just because you are not able to put up with your problems is rather rude.

I want to state, though, that I respect you as an individual, considering the hours you must have spent gathering the trias you gave to others in the blink of a moment.

[Father Sengus]

I completely agree with Cyl. I really cannot see how criticizing Karyuu will help you achieve anything, especially when you cannot stand for what you say. Saying \"This is not a go at you as a moderator\" is quite stupid when it clearly was what it was...

From what I\'ve heard, several people have put you on a pedestal, saying that you\'ve done great things for the community. Kythag even called you \"an icon to the game\". So live up to your reputation and leave (if leaving is what you want to do) without leaving a flamewar behind you. Let people remember you as the good guy you obviously are and not as the flamer.
If you have anything to say to Karyuu, you should take it to PM\'s. She\'s not the kind of person that would ignore you...

Good luck with whatever you plan to do and ignore the people ruining your fun

[Kythag]

Janner:

If this stuff is happening so that someone cannot be caught, start taking screenshots as proof of the harrassment.  As someone who has also gotten peeved at people and left, I do understand(just not at the level you are describing).  I have no knowledge of this situation, I just know it is tragic that you are leaving because of it.

Will you consider coming back into the game with another character so that this person doesn\'t know who you are?  You can reregister with the forums.  Just a thought.

EDIT:  I have been helped by Janner, and I have seen a lot of people saying they were helped by Janner.  Many people are \"icons\" to this game, not just Janner.  I am not puttiing him on a pedestal, just saying it is tragic that he is leaving.  I would feel the same way if Bodacher and Ganinos were leaving, or Drey, Karyuu, or zanzibar.  These names are famous(or infamous  ).  Janner is another famous name here.  There are many too numerous to name that it would be tragic if they left.  Will the game go on...sure.  But it wouldn\'t be the same  :\\

[Karyuu]

Originally posted by r.guppy
Frankly your job is to moderate but in a few threads you have used your moderator sig instead of a individual to post you views that is wrongs of you

If at any time anyone at all has any criticism, or would just like to point out something they don\'t like, they are free to. I\'ve never closed my PM inbox to anyone - though I can\'t promise to reply immediately all the time. However, I do need to remind you that there are some topics on which discussion will be limited, because the dev team already made up its mind on the subject. I make plenty of posts with individual opinions, but sadly it may be hard to tell this unless I state it myself.

and to close a thread you are involved in is wrong too, there are other moderators listed they should judge the threads you post in not you.

Unfortunately I seem to be the only active moderator out of all listed, but I will keep this in mind and stay out of threads that I feel may need a lock - until the end.

[Samiel]

I completely agree with Janner.

To ignore someone is the worst you can do.
A negative answer is much more nice.

Ignoring is guilty for very much evil irl.


That is me myself and I

[zanzibar]

Originally posted by r.guppy
That is were you are wrong i never pestered him in PMs or in game as he said this is all in his mind and it is time you saw that, he has gone out of his way to make it look as if we are fighting but i ignore him in forums as best i can and in game he goes to far there as well, but as always when no GM is on line to catch him.

There\'s three sides to every story.  Your side, my side, and the truth.

If you leave the game, I hope the best for you in your journey.  (As for the rest of you guys who say you will miss him, my advice:  Don\'t miss him!  Instead, follow his example as you see fit.  That\'s the best farewell you could give him.)

Originally posted by Kythag
I would feel the same way if Bodacher and Ganinos were leaving, or Drey, Karyuu, or zanzibar.  These names are famous(or infamous  ).

The man.... the legend....

Thanks for the kind words (I think).  I\'ll only mention that Zanzibar isn\'t my main character in game, and is only one of a number of side-characters I keep, most of which have very different personalities.

Truth be told, Zanzibar is dead now, and I don\'t think he\'ll be coming back.  Something about taking justice or revenge into his own hands and then an unfortunate accident.

Originally posted by Samiel
To ignore someone is the worst you can do.
A negative answer is much more nice.

I disagree.  If you ignore someone to cause them insult from behind the protection of an ignore list, then it isn\'t very insulting; it\'s merely cowardly.

However, you might actually do someone a service by ignoring them.  Let\'s say someone hands you an envelope with a letter in it, and you know they wrote something really nasty in it in a moment of passion.  You feel that later, they\'ll regret what they wrote down.  Maybe they already do!  So what now?  Do you open the letter and read it, knowing its implications?  Or do you return it without reading it?  Which is the greater service to the other person?