Janners Way

[r.guppy]

Originally posted by Pestilence
Read for yourself. As you can see the website has been open for the pblic for a while now.

http://ugo.sinet.it/scoy/index.php/Main/HomePage

Also if we are so secret how come I found the site using google?

PS: run through it and some details are out of date, but you should get the idea of what SCoY is.

 Easy to find if you know what to look for .
 No mention of it hear in the official planeshift forum, till today.
 SCoy stands for Sworn Council of Yliakum. This implies you were duly elected and sworn in

 Lets take a few quotes.

 From History.

 

In the third season, two citizens of honorable character began speaking of the dangers to the realm. They spoke for months to each other, determined to find a way to prevent the decline of their beloved world. Eventually they decided on a plan to foster the growth and development of the realm by it\'s citizens and after much discussion, decided to found a \"guild of guilds\", thus the Sworn Council of Yliakum (SCoY) was born.

 Who and what was said, very vague.

 

Guilds of the highest caliber were carefully chosen to attend the first meeting and only the guild leader and one other were invited to attend. There was a rocky start with the Great Wipe and other delays but the first meeting was eventually held and was by all accounts a great success.

 In who\'s opinion ?
 
 From Mission Statemont.

 

To ensure the well-being of all in Yliakum by learning about and preventing any conflicts from destroying the peace that we all hold dear.

 Who are you to determin whot is a threat and how to deal with it ?

 

All guilds and/or citizens who wish to promote the general well-being in Yliakum may participate.

 Thats a hard one to do if you dont know any thing about this, as you havent been publice till now.

[Easton]

Let me clear one thing up please. and before i even say it, i wish for you to take away any previous thought you may have of the SCoY.

1) we are NOT a governing body of any sort. Heres how it works...

A guild joins by agreeing to the charter. They then, within their own guild, select a few members (ambassadors) to represent their guild in the council. This is usually the guild leader and his/her second, but it is not neccessary at all. The Ambassadors from every guild meet and discuss topics that the guilds themselves bring in, or that other people wish to have us discuss. We then all have a chance to voice our opinions and when the time comes, we vote. Each guild gets two votes (one for each ambassador) and we decide by majority rule. Therefore, the name, Sworn Council of Yliakum-- we have all sworn to go along with the council even if it decides against what we ourselves believe. We all trust each other. Our decisions do not require the participation of anyone besides the member guilds. And, if you check the site, you will see that every guild is invited to read the charter, accept it, and apply for the council.

Janner, we are all fair people, i promise you. As more guilds join, the council will be more balanced, and well-rounded. You should not be insulted. We knew that there would be backlash because people think we are looking for power. But in all reality, if there is any power, it is within each member of each guild that is apart of the council.

All i ask is that you take this with open eyes and open ears. We are only trying to provide everyone with a place to talk in an organized and diplomatic fashion. I wish you the best Janner, as i always have..

Stay Safe,
Easton Ghent

[Easton]

Copied directly out of the SCoY forums.

Dated November 30, 2005
post by Ogu under the topic \'Which guild should we invite next?\'
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Please post your suggestions for new member guilds here, along with any replies.


My 2 trias:


Janner\'s Way
Feline\'s Lair
Explorers
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I don\'t want to flood your guild forum with this so i refuse to post anymore here. We have a post in the works that we will post this weekend i hope. If you wish to talk you may email me through the site, (http://ugo.sinet.it/scoy) or talk with me in game.

Stay Safe,
Easton Ghent

[Drey]

/me arrives to make a post full of wtf directed at janner...

Originally posted by r.guppy
SCoy stands for Sworn Council of Yliakum. This implies you were duly elected and sworn in

hardly.... more that they are a group of people with strong feelings towards Yliakum.

i seem to remember something like this happened before... you tried to argue against something and you lost.

Who are you to determin whot is a threat and how to deal with it ?

players... just as much as the rest of us.

i really don\'t see what you are trying to achieve here, maybe its just one of those post count boosters that shal uses? or maybe you just don\'t understand things?

[r.guppy]

Originally posted by Drey
/me arrives to make a post full of wtf directed at janner...

wtf ? if you mean what i think you mean say it, or is it not allowed to swear,, and you a GM smiles

Originally posted by r.guppy
SCoY stands for Sworn Council of Yliakum. This implies you were duly elected and sworn in

hardly.... more that they are a group of people with strong feelings towards Yliakum.

i seem to remember something like this happened before... you tried to argue against something and you lost.

 refresh my memory a quote please as i do not remember what you are on about

Who are you to determine what is a threat and how to deal with it ?

players... just as much as the rest of us.

Who don\'t get a say in your appointed chosen few

i really don\'t see what you are trying to achieve here, maybe its just one of those post count boosters that shal uses? or maybe you just don\'t understand things?

 
Do you really believe that, i am disappointed in you if you do shame.. Bad Drey..

[Father Sengus]

Who are you to determine what is a threat and how to deal with it ?

players... just as much as the rest of us.

Who don\'t get a say in your appointed chosen few

i really don\'t see what you are trying to achieve here, maybe its just one of those post count boosters that shal uses? or maybe you just don\'t understand things?

 
Do you really believe that, i am disappointed in you if you do shame.. Bad Drey..

But Easton has said several times, and it says so on the website, that any guild is allowed to join. So why do you keep saying that you don\'t have a say in this, Janner? I can understand if you are mad because they kept the council a secret from you in its experimental stage, but make sure you dislike them for the right reason then.
Trying to turn people against them by saying it\'s for a chosen few is obviously outdated at this point.
Your problem is between you and them...

Nothing personal, Janner, but I think Drey is right in everything except for his quite silly post boost theory.

[r.guppy]

I am against it simply because it has all be decided by two unknown players and positions have been filled and guilds only need apply.

 What of the non guild don\'t they get a say, or don\'t they count.

 You proclaim to represent what is best for all, yet in secret and guilds only.

 To me that is not right.

 I would not apply for a post in such a scam, and have no wish to be invited to such a pompous self opinionated small minded control freak group such as this seams to be.

 If you wont control over people and what they do let them elect you, don\'t assume you have a god given right to grab such a position, because that is exactly how i see it.

 PS BAD hair day smiles.

[Alhana]

Originally posted by zanzibar
What\'s this?  A secret meeting that I wasn\'t invited to?



[My wrath]    <-----    Feel it.

My dear dark soul, there are others... :evil:

Originally posted by r.guppy
I am against it simply because it has all be decided by two unknown players and positions have been filled and guilds only need apply.

 What of the non guild don\'t they get a say, or don\'t they count.

 You proclaim to represent what is best for all, yet in secret and guilds only.

 To me that is not right.

 I would not apply for a post in such a scam, and have no wish to be invited to such a pompous self opinionated small minded control freak group such as this seams to be.

 If you wont control over people and what they do let them elect you, don\'t assume you have a god given right to grab such a position, because that is exactly how i see it.

 PS BAD hair day smiles.

Janner, Im with you on this one.

[Father Sengus]

They have repeated over and over again that they are not a government so why do they have to turn to the guildless people? They wanted to make a \"guild of guilds\" and I don\'t see what\'s wrong with that. It has been done several times before and I don\'t remember people getting annoyed back then.

There are also several guilds whose goal is to cleanse Yliakum from all evil. Why don\'t you ask all of them what right they have to decide who is evil? After all, their actions against evil are as likely to affect you as the actions made by this council.

They are not forcing any rules on anybody, so I don\'t see what they do to deserve you calling them control freaks. The only control they have is over those that decide to join the council, and since guilds apply to the council and are by no means forced into it, you could say their applications represent their vote.

I seriously think you wanted to be part of this from the start, which is why you are pissed (and because of your hair of course ). Because, from what I can see, there is nothing about this council that would normally offend Janner or even offend a normal Janner.

[zanzibar]

Oh, I remember that thing.


Janner, don\'t think twice about it.  It\'s just a \"coming together\" of the leaders of the various good-alligned guilds... as well as the lawful-neutral guilds who are actually good-alligned because they don\'t understand lawful-neutral. :-D

[r.guppy]

Originally posted by Father Sengus
They have repeated over and over again that they are not a government so why do they have to turn to the guildless people? They wanted to make a \"guild of guilds\" and I don\'t see what\'s wrong with that. It has been done several times before and I don\'t remember people getting annoyed back then.

There are also several guilds whose goal is to cleanse Yliakum from all evil. Why don\'t you ask all of them what right they have to decide who is evil? After all, their actions against evil are as likely to affect you as the actions made by this council.

They are not forcing any rules on anybody, so I don\'t see what they do to deserve you calling them control freaks. The only control they have is over those that decide to join the council, and since guilds apply to the council and are by no means forced into it, you could say their applications represent their vote.

I seriously think you wanted to be part of this from the start, which is why you are pissed (and because of your hair of course ). Because, from what I can see, there is nothing about this council that would normally offend Janner or even offend a normal Janner.

Not a Government not a council, then whot a bunch of hot air do goders, grow up it starts in secret sod the masses we are from guilds ( thos cosen by us to govern you in whot you do) Wake up ..

 This is how a revalotion starts to change things.
 I Seriously think i DO NOT wont to be part of this ego trip.

 As this is being discussed in General Discussions, \"The Octarch\", as I understand it you SUMMONED xillix to the Temple of Laanx, which I believe is your headquarters(?), we should continue this there.

[Cyl]

Originally posted by r.guppy
Not a Government not a council, then whot a bunch of hot air do goders, grow up it starts in secret sod the masses we are from guilds ( thos cosen by us to govern you in whot you do) Wake up ..

Some things need to be prepared secretly. Some things need to _stay_ secret.

I dont want to be to straight-forward, but there have been guilds which only prupose was to offer a guild tag, so the members dont have to deal with invites by other guilds.

Is a get-together of guild leaders really so bad?

[Pestilence]

First of Janner get a life. If you think guilds working together to make Yliakum a better place is a bad thing tough luck for you.

There is no reason for this egotistical childish behavior of acusing us of things even some of our enemies don\'t believe to be true.

The laanx temple was \"the octarchs headquarters\" not the other way around. It was also \"the octarch\" that asked our support and then we had to make an opinion and we didn\'t decide to do this before this.

You are casting judgement on us on some rampant fantasies and with no facts at all as you have said several things that are simply not true.

Our decicions on where we cooperate is our decicion of OUR actions. Are you now saying you don\'t decide your own actions?

We are not a goverment and don\'t want to be one, but even if we would what would be wrong with that if \"the octarch\"apparently did nothing wrong?

Do we have more power united? Perhaps but that ofcourse is the goal. Not becuase we are power hungry powermongers who\'s only goal in life is to play the boss of others as you imply, but becuase there are simply several guilds with the same goals and it would be foolish not to cooperate if we really want those goals to be obtained.

This makes us realists.

As Sengus said it has been done before many times before and there is nothing wrong with it and as Sengus said it looks a whole lot like you are just pissed you were not included, what I think is kinda strange seeing Janner\'s way isn\'t a guild as you explained it.

Also who we the DC ally is our business and I dont see why we should report that to you and why it would be a crime if we don\'t.

[Father Sengus]

I have to say I didn\'t fully understand your post Janner, so I can\'t really make a good reply. What I did understand was that they are just a bunch of \"do gooders\" which makes me wonder why that makes them your enemy. I thought you were one of those \"do gooders\". Does that mean Janner\'s Way is an ego trip as well then?

And can you please clarify the part about summoning xillix and taking it to the \"Octarch\" thread? The problem at the ingame meeting was that people spoke of this council when they should have been talking about the Octarch so I see no reason to take this discussion there. It does not belong there...

It\'s your thread and you do what you wish with it, all I ask for is a clarification of your previous post before we move the discussion somewhere or simply stop it.

[r.guppy]

Originally posted by Cyl

Originally posted by r.guppy
Not a Government not a council, then what a bunch of hot air do gooders, grow up it starts in secret sod the masses we are from guilds ( those cosine by us to govern you in what you do) Wake up ..

Some things need to be prepared secretly. Some things need to _stay_ secret.

I don\'t want to be to straight-forward, but there have been guilds which only purpose was to offer a guild tag, so the members don\'t have to deal with invites by other guilds.

Is a get-together of guild leaders really so bad?

Yes my Guild is such a guild and i never kept it a secret.

 I have no abjection to guilds grouping, and trying to sort guild problems out. but to form and proclaim they will sort all problems no mater what the source. stinks to be blunt .